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Fostering Strong Engagement with Jessica Walden

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Brandon Burton (00:00.737)
Hello, Chamber Champions. Welcome to Chamber Chat podcast. I’m your host, Brandon Burton, and it’s my goal here on the podcast to introduce you to people and ideas to better help you serve your Chamber members and your community. Today’s guest is a dynamic leader and proud Macon native whose career has been defined by a passion for community vitality and economic growth.

In 2022, Jessica Walden was named president and CEO of the Greater Macon Chamber of Commerce, where she leads the organization to strengthen businesses, attract new industries, and enhance the quality of life for citizens across the region. Jessica brings more than two decades of experience in community and economic development, leadership training, and small business support.

Before taking the helm of the chamber, she served as a business and leadership advisor for the University of Georgia Small Business Development Center and the J.W. Fanning Institute for Leadership Development, connecting entrepreneurs and organizations with programs that foster growth and innovation. She has also helped launch leadership programs statewide addressing workforce development, entrepreneurship, DEI, and sustainable community transformation.

Her professional expertise is matched by her academic accomplishments. is the first person in Georgia to earn the entrepreneur led economic development certification from the International Economic Development Council.

She is a graduate of Leadership Georgia, Leadership Macon, and Georgia’s Academy for Economic Development. And she’s been an active contributor to numerous community boards, including Montessori & Macon, and the Bragg Jam Festival, and the Otis Reading Foundation. A graduate of Georgia State University with a degree in journalism and a minor in English, Jessica is known for her infectious enthusiasm, her deep commitment to Macon, and her vision for inclusive, sustainable growth.

Brandon Burton (02:00.359)
Jessica, I’m excited to have you with us today here on Chamber Chat podcast. I’d love to give you an opportunity to say hello to all the Chamber Champions who are out there listening. And if you would share something interesting about yourself so we can all get to know you a little better.

Jessica Walden (02:15.704)
Thank you so much, Brandon, and thank you for hosting a podcast like this. We were just speaking before the show began about how all of us chamber executives are big fans of R &D, a chance to really learn from each other. And I’m just, I’m thrilled to be here today and talk about what I love so much, which is my community of Macon, Georgia, and how it really brought me into the chamber world. What my bio didn’t mention, a lot of this came from a business that I owned

for over a decade, my husband and I operated a music history tour company called Rock Candy Tours. And we actually sold our tour company just two years ago to Visit Macon where it continues operating today under that very same name. But what I discovered with my tour company was just how much storytelling can benefit our community, how much storytelling gets us attention and relevancy and a chance to share so much more.

And for me, was just, was a natural opportunity. Even though I come from this community development, economic development background, my family history in Macon runs really deep. And it starts with the music business where my uncle and my father were the original managers of Otis Redding, the late great soul singer. And then later my uncle would go on to discover the Allman Brothers and my father would discover Lynyrd Skynyrd. And they operated right here in Macon where we became

became a capital of Southern rock and put making on the map through music. And so ironically enough, my chamber headquarters is located on that very same block where my uncle once had Capricorn Studios and where my dad did all of his work with his bands, including Lynyrd Skynyrd. And so it’s just so full circle to be here today and still sharing, making story using music as a continued platform. But I often get the

question, how does a kid who grew up in the rock and roll business end up a chamber president? Because that does seem like a big leap. But I tell everybody it’s a natural fit because at the end of the day, this is all talent, recruitment and retention. And it’s about being able to export our greatest good, which is often the story that we can share about our communities. so I find it to be natural, even though I don’t think my long hair

Brandon Burton (04:23.413)
Right?

Jessica Walden (04:45.484)
hippie parents and all that were at too many chamber meetings growing up.

Brandon Burton (04:50.167)
That is really cool though. So as far as interesting facts go that that’s high up on the rankings for me. You know over 350 episodes. That’s a pretty cool fact. yeah, awesome. Well, if you would tell us a little bit about the making chamber, just give us an idea of the size staff, the type of work you guys are involved with budget just to kind of set the stage for our conversation today.

Jessica Walden (04:57.002)
you

Jessica Walden (05:01.837)
Okay.

Jessica Walden (05:10.988)
Yeah.

Jessica Walden (05:16.929)
Yeah, absolutely. The Greater Macon Chamber of Commerce is one of the oldest chambers in the state of Georgia. So we are over 150 years old and we’re located Macon for anyone who doesn’t know we’re right in the heart of Georgia. So in order to get to the world’s largest airport or seaport, which is Atlanta and Savannah, you often have to come right through Macon. Our chamber has, today our chamber’s operating on roughly a $2 million budget.

The majority of that budget is in our special initiatives such as workforce development and that talent recruitment and retention. We have nearly 800 investors and we have a staff of an incredible staff of 10 here at our chamber. We just added on a new staff member just a couple weeks ago. We’re located in the heart of downtown Macon so we’re in our commercial business district. If anybody has any prior history of our chamber then they

remember our old building that was just off the interstate and that was still standing when I came on board almost three years ago but it is no longer there. We’ve actually bulldozed that building in anticipation of great community progress and we’ve moved our chamber headquarters across the river to the vibrant area of an incredible downtown renaissance that we’re experiencing here in Macon and this is where we operate.

much the traditional chamber initiatives and programming in the sense of we had a very packed house our last business after hours of the year last night but we also are into innovative community driven programming and in a big focus of ours now we really turned towards the the lighthouse of that talent retention piece so in addition to our greater together message for the business community is making bibs most significant organized business community

We also have launched and really along the drumbeat of Choose Makin, which is both a website and an initiative and a call to action. So we have a lot of that going on all at one time as many of us Chambers do. But it is, it’s a reallyโ€ฆ

Jessica Walden (07:36.974)
I like to say our chamber has really continued to progress with the times and right now the times in Macon are amazing. It’s excellent here. We have installed a new 12,000 seat amphitheater. We’ve got now home of the world’s largest pickleball arena of all things. Our downtown has been recognized by Main Street America as the great American Main Street. And we’re all working really hard together and collaboratively on

trying to make Macon’s Old Mulgee Mounds America’s next national park, which means big things for us. So while we’ve got this urban vibrancy piece, like we’re in the middle of a renaissance here, we’re also looking towards conservation and nature and creating this giant green space that will be a huge tourism boom for this region and this state.

Brandon Burton (08:31.947)
You know, 10 years ago, I don’t think any chambers were talking about pickleball. And now it’s such a part of our society, know, social outings, right?

Jessica Walden (08:36.768)
I know.

Jessica Walden (08:41.623)
vernacular now. Well, fun fact, fun fact about our pickleball, not only is it the world’s largest indoor pickleball arena,

But the whole story behind it is so incredible because it was, it was the, so I’m born and raised here in Macon and shopped at the Macon Mall, sat in Santa’s lap at the Macon Mall, was a total child of the late nineties, or I’m sorry, late eighties, early nineties mall scene. But like many malls in our nation, it went through an economic downturn and it just sat pretty much, you know, abandoned for all, except for a few anchors and

completely underutilized and we have some really visionary leadership here including our own mayor who saw more than it could be and so the world’s largest indoor pickleball arena is has been repurposed and is located in what was the make-a-mall or what is the make-a-mall I should still say and so now we affectionately call it the pickle mall.

Brandon Burton (09:42.86)
pickle mall. I love it. I also I really like when chambers are located in their downtown. I think it’s just it’s a good signaling of being right there in the heart of business and where things are happening. But it doesn’t have to be you know, for anyone listening who’s still on the interstate or you know, different type of location, but I do like it when the chambers in the downtown so

Jessica Walden (09:57.87)
Absolutely.

Jessica Walden (10:08.301)
Yeah, you know, it’s important to meet businesses where they are. And right now, such density of business is in our downtown. And the other piece of that is like right across the street from me is the Tubman African-American Museum. Our visit-making, our CBBR Tourism Bureau is right here. Our terminal stations, I like to think we’re very neatly positioned along the welcome corridor into our community, which I also think is so important for a chamber to be.

Brandon Burton (10:35.187)
It is. That’s great. Great alignment. So today we’re going to focus most of our conversation around fostering strong engagement. And that can be such a topic that chambers across the country are always thinking about. How can we better engage our members? How can we create a stronger community feeling? So we’ll dive into some of the approaches you guys have taken and really what strong engagement looks like, especially there in Macon. We’ll dive into that as soon as we get back from this quick break.

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Jessica, we’re back. As I mentioned before the break, we’re talking about what it looks like to foster strong engagement at your chamber. So maybe start by telling us what does strong engagement look like in Macon? What have you guys done to foster that and create that?

Jessica Walden (11:24.683)
Well, you there’s there’s always the numbers to back it up. And one thing we noticed was a trend. Now, again, I came on board three years ago, very new to the chamber world, but I wasn’t new to make in. And for me, it was signaling a whole new chapter for us. Like I said, we we moved buildings. We we completely we’d switched to a tier system. All these things happened at once within this three year change. But one of the things we noticed

at the end of that year as we began to see an increase in engagement in our post 2020 world. And it really did ask, you know, make us really ask like, what is this uptick from? And I think what a lot of that what strong engagement really looks like, it is good attendance. I mean, none of us want to do this to an empty room. So it is strong attendance. But it’s also creating a welcoming environment, setting the stage

for that natural connection to take place. And in order to have great connection, great engagement with one another, you definitely have to have a variety of people in the room. So, you know, just like many of our chambers, we’ve got the mom and pops to the largest industries in our chamber.

And what I am seeing, and it’s really exciting to see this, when I look around the room now, I’m seeing a lot of people I don’t know. And again, have you been born and raised here? And you think you know everybody, especially when you’re in the chamber world. But I’m starting to see a lot more younger faces. I’m starting to see a lot of these boomerangs, the people who return to their hometown, and they may be returning for a variety of reasons. Part of that reason may be that they’re taking over the family business, businesses are

transitioning, they realize that you can come home again, all those things, but I’m seeing this, this burgeoning new crew, like this burgeoning new leadership. And I’m like, that’s what you want. Like, that’s what we want to see is we don’t want to continue to, to grow, you know, stale and just talk to ourselves, we want to see new people entering. And so what positions our chamber is that that point of entry, and a lot of that is the relevancy, making sure that your chamber

Jessica Walden (13:46.272)
is relevant, but a lot of it is being really focused on what is the best use of people’s time. So, I mean, our chamber, again do staff of 10, team of 10, we do nearly 100 programs a year. So, I mean, and again, in the chamber industry, that’s no big deal. But when you actually do communicate that to your investors, they’re like, wow.

No wonder it looks like you do a lot. You do. I that’s almost something every single that that usually is something every week, if not five things every week. But.

Brandon Burton (14:15.319)
You

Brandon Burton (14:21.643)
Right.

Jessica Walden (14:23.197)
Our job isn’t to do more. mean, we look at our calendar every year and think, what can we cut, combine, and do better in order to keep that attendance at an all time high, in order to keep people talking and connecting with one another. And so I really think good engagement looks like a good use of people’s time. And the communication and again, tour guide on the side here, the storytelling piece of it is making sure

that our programming aligns with the community in the sense that you’re coming here and connecting for a purpose even greater than you. It’s for the greater good. It’s for our greater community. It’s because Macon’s on the move. It’s because Macon is experiencing a resurgence, a renaissance. It’s an exciting time to be here. You want to be in the room where it happens. so, you know, I think to me that’s what good engagement looks like. And it is. It is a variety of demographics. It is your small business owner.

being able to connect with your larger industries. It is diversity in all kinds of demographics and it very much is the new audience that we don’t know yet who it’s our job to nurture, help them create leadership opportunities and hopefully keep them here at the end of the day.

Brandon Burton (15:41.942)
Yeah, I love what you said about with all the events and everything you do to be able to cut, combine and do things together. as a as different, you know, chamber members look at engaging and business owners look at trying to get involved as their local chamber. There can be some overwhelm when there’s so much that is going on. And we talked about a little bit before we started recording, but my background is in chamber publishing. And over the years, I meet with

members about advertising and different publications. And I often hear from them almost a sense of guilt. Like, I, you know, we joined the chamber three years ago and I haven’t been to an event yet. You know, I just, I’m too busy. I can’t make it to the luncheons or the mixers, the after hours, the ribbon cut, whatever it is. And so being able to cut, combine, do things together, show where there’s value in these different events that you’re doing. So they want to be

there, so they make it a priority. Do you have some examples where you’ve been able to do that, look at some different programs, cut, combine, do them together and how that resulted in more engagement?

Jessica Walden (16:55.189)
Right, yeah.

Well, and you know, I’ll say where that comes from is, and I joke all the time that I’m a recovering entrepreneur having owned a small, I’ve owned several small businesses, but in particular, the tour company being one of them. And I understand what it’s like. I worked independently, every commitment that I made was taking away billable hours. Like, you you don’t want to have people stack away from the register necessarily. At the same time, community engagement is everything for your business.

Brandon Burton (17:18.646)
Right.

Jessica Walden (17:26.177)
and being visible and I mean to me it’s cause related awareness, it’s cause related marketing. One of the best ways that you can market your business is to be seen and be visible and be out there and connecting. So coming from that place of understanding like really being able to meet businesses where they are.

and realize that they just, one, they can’t do everything. So can you offer like just really intentional programming that again is worth their time to step away from or fits more along there, knowing your audience and knowing who your target audience is and what their schedule may be. So for example, I mean, I would just say restaurants, that’s one of the hardest things chambers have, they come and go in our membership, right?

they join for the ribbon cutting, it’s hard to always retain them. And then of course during 2020 our chamber saw drastic drop in the restaurant hospitality industry. Now we’ve started seeing them all come back in. Well they’re not going to be able to go to some of the traditional, they can’t come to a lunch and learn for example, I mean that’s a peak time for them. So can we create relevant opportunities specifically for our restaurants? They give them a reason to

invest in the chamber. And so what that can look like is our breakfast programming if they are not a lunch spot. Or what that could look like is our taste of making committee, which is an online virtual session that’s offered once a month that is during like an afternoon. Like I think it’s around like a post lunch rush time where we offer all the opportunity for industry specific businesses in

restaurant industry to gather to share best practices to have some type of featured speaker from the community side of things so they can be aware of things going on and then also inform them on the calendar and what’s coming up and where are opportunities to plug in that they may want to consider and so for them many of these it’s just that pause that they can they can do such a thing. you know this is this is I don’t know if is I don’t know if cut was quite the right word in this

Jessica Walden (19:48.448)
this one example, but we all do golf tournaments, right? Like every chamber does one. We have a successful one once a year called the Legacy Golf Classic. I inherited it as I came on board. In fact, my first day on the job was our golf tournament. And immediately I began thinking about this program, knowing that it’s a great revenue source, knowing that we’ve always done it this way, you know, that sort of thing.

also noticing that it really doesn’t include everyone and there’s not an opportunity to participate in it. And unfortunately, I’m not a golfer. I can drive a mean golf cart, but I’m not a golfer. And one of the things I started talking about on day one, and it did take us two years to implement, but we introduced the bingo component during the lunch. And this provided an opportunity for our sponsors, our general membership,

our ambassadors. If you didn’t play golf, you wanted to be there during lunch because you could play bingo. when I say bingo, we’re not talking about, you know, like nursing home level bingo. We’re talking about legal gambling with beverages, you know, and the chance to really have fun together. And bingo is making quite the comeback. In one of our favorite bars up the street does it. And that’s where our team went to go learn how to

to run a masterful bingo game. But we introduced that component. And what that does is it has created a whole other sponsorship avenue for us in many ways, because from the card to the hose to the collar, mean, there’s all that. But it also engaged the non-golfers. And so now we don’t have a legacy golf classic. We have a legacy classic. And so it’s this classic part of our chamber on the golf course. And now with this fun interโ€ฆ

way to have lunch together and play bingo. And some of the golfers even last year were like handing me money and being like, can you proxy for me? Because I wish I was in there too.

Jessica Walden (22:00.949)
You know, and I took it and I did it, but, you know, that’s enough. That’s one way of it. business after hours, this is, all, so many of us do business after hours and I have heard pros and cons. I’ve heard that some do, you know, for us, it is a very easy lift. We offer it as a sponsor. The host sponsor pays their sponsorship. They provide the food and beverage. We, we handle registration. That’s our primary goal with it. But,

And you know, it is it’s a significant revenue generator for us in addition to that. But it’d be easy to do 12 business after hours a year. But would that be easy on our team? Does that get in the way of being able to market some of our other programming? So do we end up with like a marketing backlog where every all of our programs are competing for the same calendar and the same messaging time? And do we have can we

do less business after hours, but get more people there. And that’s what we decided to do. So now going from 12 to last night was our last one of the season, our ninth business after hours. We’ve had consistent high attendance to each of these. We’ve had consistent sponsorship ease for each of these. We’ve easily crested 150 people at these after our programs.

And now we’re done for the year. Now we can focus on the legacy classic coming up in October, our annual awards coming up, our making in eggs, which by the way, we have making in eggs instead of eggs and issues. That’s a great part about living and making Georgia. know, and so we’re able to focus on our signatures towards the end of the year, make sure that our marketing can hit those marks. And at the same time, we created strong series of business after hours.

Brandon Burton (23:42.639)
That’s great, yeah.

Jessica Walden (23:59.612)
We did have to take that revenue cut at the end on the sponsorship side, but what we increased was the attendance, Adam, by doing that. So it works. It worked for us on that. And then just one more example of something that we learned to do better. Annual awards. Again, so many of us have these programs. Ours was evening. It was long.

and it was tired. It was one those that you know, you know that it’s right. And you know, I’m like many of us if once I go home, I’m not going to necessarily get back out there. So it was one of those where I was like, you know, is this the right time?

Brandon Burton (24:29.655)
That sounds familiar. I feel like I’ve heard that before from other teamers. Yeah.

Jessica Walden (24:48.359)
Is this the right format? And so we switched that up recently. And so in the last two years, this will be our third year this year, we’ve switched our annual awards to a three o’clock start time. And we’re doing it at a brewery, but it has a very large event space at the brewery. And so now it is our annual awards and it has the tradition and the sense of giving out awards. But the happy hour component indeed helps. It has created

incredible where the doors open, people gather, we have a happy hour period, then we move to the awards portion, and then we open it back up to happy hour. And we laugh, like we do it earlier and now people don’t want to leave. Like they’re not leaving the program when it’s over because they’re still gathering and celebrating and that sort of thing. And, you know, again, I think we met people where they are with that by doing that, changing that

time, altering that format, being willing to do it differently, just create. And now our annual awards is uniquely ours. It complements well with our neighbor chambers. One has an incredible morning annual awards, one has an evening one. Those all work for their communities really well. And for investors who are in multiple regional chambers, ours works again really well because they could fit ours in during that happy hour time period in the late afternoon.

Brandon Burton (26:17.823)
Yeah, that’s great. So I love the examples you shared as well. And while you were talking, you saw me turn around and grab a book off my bookshelf. I’ve plugged this before on the podcast, but it’s a book called You’re Invited, the Art and Science of Cultivating Influence.

Jessica Walden (26:34.765)
just gotta write that down.

Brandon Burton (26:34.955)
And as you’re talking about knowing your audience, it’s so important to be able to understand who it is that you’re trying to gather together and being able to extend those invitations so they know that there’s purpose in you reaching out to them to be at that event because there’s something there for them.

Jessica Walden (26:45.069)
Yes.

Brandon Burton (26:55.439)
and whether that’s having more industry specific type of events or even looking at if every event the chamber does has to do with, has a happy hour component to it. I mean, it works very well, but I can bet there’s probably a segment of the membership that doesn’t come because family responsibilities or, and maybe if there was something that was family friendly.

that there was something for that. it’s just, goes back to knowing your audience and extending those invitations.

Jessica Walden (27:27.137)
is. You know, and that even is a happy argument by moving it up to that three, that also freed up that family time too. I mean, you know, and I’m a mom.

Brandon Burton (27:35.697)
Absolutely, absolutely.

Jessica Walden (27:39.884)
I just, know the value of all that, especially as a chamber president, as many of us can relate. Like, you know, our time is just everything that we get outside of all of this for that. having that level of consciousness of like, if we’re going to create, you use the word purpose and that’s what it is. Just having that, we’re going to do it, it has to be worth people’s time. Otherwise we shouldn’t be doing it. And I know when I started this job, I was given that sticker that said,

it.

This is how we’ve always done it. And then I had a big X over it, you know, and being able to have that. I’m okay with us being able to do our traditional things, but how do we evolve it just enough for our newer audience and the audience we want to be and an audience that is truly invested and engaged in what we’re doing and time. mean, money is one thing, but we know time is what is attached to that. And we just have to be conscious of every ounce of people’s time that we’re using.

Brandon Burton (28:14.069)
Yeah.

Jessica Walden (28:41.483)
and knowing that what we do, they leave saying that was worth my time to be there.

Brandon Burton (28:47.537)
Absolutely. I think that sticker, if I remember right, is a YGM sticker. So there you go. All right. So I feel like I have to ask you about this before we move on, but you had shared with me ahead of time that you do an event with singles, trying to mix singles. Yeah. Can you tell us just what that is about? yeah, just tell us what that event is.

Jessica Walden (28:52.149)
Yes it is, yep.

Jessica Walden (29:04.915)
So glad you asked.

Jessica Walden (29:11.469)
Yeah, I was wondering how we’re gonna get to that, you know, it is definitely, um, all right, so another example of, you know, of cut combined or

and do it differently. And our young professionals network was at one time strong and going well. And then of course, 2020 happened and it really had a hard time getting traction again. then around this time is when I’m coming back on board and again, looking at everything closer.

It started out more as a joke because I was mildly offended that I was no longer considered a young professional and I didn’t like the age cutoff and I’m like if we’re gonna be an inclusive chamber that includes age too. that was one piece of it. But what we heard by listening to our investors, listening to our community and listening along the needs of workforce and again,

Brandon Burton (29:54.33)
Ha

Brandon Burton (29:58.168)
you

Jessica Walden (30:12.025)
attraction and retention. It was the fact that

that love’s not easy, connection’s not always easy, but when you have a really good employee and let’s say they are doing so great at their job that they don’t have the greatest love life or they’re single and they don’t have anything, well then they may look online and start swiping left and right and next thing you know, they’ve met somebody and maybe that somebody’s out of town and now they’re moving out of town.

for companionship and you’ve lost an incredible employee and No matter you know in different ages, especially This gets harder and harder. So we heard what people were saying and I said well You know, let’s think about this. What if we took this idea of like young professionals, but made it more aimed towards singles and Really the intention on this being for those who are looking to make connections

connection, relationships, love, whatever you want to call it, that we create an in real life opportunity that’s not necessarily speed dating and is, I keep saying, not creepy. Like we wanted to make sure that it maintained some integrity here to bring people together, to convene people. And we had our

Brandon Burton (31:33.52)
Yeah

Jessica Walden (31:43.522)
young team who are who a lot of them chose Macon who graduated college chose to stay here they came forward with an incredible plan for these these mixers so we call them the Mac mingles with singles and Mac stands for Macon area connections and it is a low entry low cost program to attend where you come in you register you self-select while you’re there so you can pick up a cup

And that cup may mean that you are seeking women, seeking men, or maybe you’re a wingman and you’re just there to support someone who is doing all of that. And you’re able to mix and mingle. We have some actual icebreaker programming put into it. Of course, it is a very business after hour style event, but it is a young audience. It is a unique location and it is heavily programmed. you are, um,

you know, it’s curated enough where you actually intentionally meet people. And it was one that like, I have to say it’s not scary, but you are worried like how is this gonna come off? It has been so well received. I have many of my industry say, I am putting that flyer in our break room. I’ve had industry say like, I have.

Brandon Burton (32:51.435)
Yeah.

Jessica Walden (33:01.151)
of really strong, like all male staff. I need these guys to meet some people like they are in a lot of them, you know, if they’re working all the time. And so the industries have been supportive in that sense. The attendance has been, we’re really pleased with it. It has been a growing attendance, but like the first one, we were worried if any guys were gonna register. had quite a few women register, but we’re like, is there gonna be anyone else?

Well, they showed up. They just didn’t pre-register. There was a lot of people who were just trying to ease on in there, see what it’s about. Now it has really picked up steam in that sense. And they just had one a couple of weeks ago and we made it a game night theme. So they actually had a chance to go from table to table and they were doing card games and fun stuff. we had about, it was like, we were almost 70 people show up to that one. And so we’re starting to hear about some matches being made.

Brandon Burton (33:34.391)
Yeah.

Jessica Walden (34:00.992)
hopefully can share those stories soon too. But it’s a fun way. mean to me this is now our YPN group. This is our way to look at it. We just look at it through different lens.

Brandon Burton (34:10.613)
Yeah, it’s a great retention strategy as you alluded to. And I love how it engages other staff of the different chamber members. But you may need to be thinking of a 2.0 for this as they matriculate, and they’re no longer singles because this is so effective. So yeah.

Jessica Walden (34:14.07)
Yes.

Jessica Walden (34:21.537)
Yeah.

Jessica Walden (34:28.525)
I I don’t know. They’re starting to come to, you know, lot of these folks had never been to a chamber event or they don’t even know it was a chamber program when they signed up.

And now we’re starting to see like second dates at business after hours. So that works too. They graduate, they graduate to full. But this also feeds into our membership, I mean our leadership program. You know, we operate leadership, leadership make in and if you think about how we create this programming that really does create a pipeline, that’s what it’s about.

Brandon Burton (34:42.039)
That’s great.

Brandon Burton (35:00.873)
Yeah, I love that. Well, Jessica, as we start to wrap things up, I wanted to ask for the listeners who want to take their chamber up to the next level, what kind of tip or strategy might you be able to share with them to help in encouraging them with that goal?

Jessica Walden (35:19.021)
I don’t know if it’s a strategy, but I’m gonna quote Dolly Parton here. Find out who you are and do it on purpose, which is sort of my favorite thing she says. And of course we can apply that personally, but how do you apply that to your chamber? And I think it is, find out who you are as a chamber and not just about doing it on purpose, is about doing it with purpose. And again, everything that we’ve talked about on that, who is your audience? What is it you’re trying?

to provide your audience and does this fit and does this fit into your community right now and where it really doesn’t meet your business is where you are but what your community needs and

and create that community out of it. So I would just say that, you know, really being able to evaluate, like, evaluate that strategy, but is there a purpose? Is it purpose driven in what you’re trying to achieve? And I think when you have that, that is as a strategy, that it ends up working out in a way to really be able to curate those programs for your year that make it worth everybody’s time.

Brandon Burton (36:34.795)
think that’s great advice. I’d like to ask everyone that I have on the show as we look to the future of Chambers of Commerce, how do you see the future of Chambers and their purpose going forward?

Jessica Walden (36:46.303)
Yeah, well, and you know, I’m like, I’m new to this world, but what I really realized very quickly.

is the past was about recruiting industry. And it’s not to say we all don’t do that as community or work with our with our economic development team to do that. And we’re very blessed here. We’re a collaborative community right now. And so I work with our development authority every day. In fact, he’s texting me right now about something else that I but I appreciate that relationship. But I very much understand that in that he may be recruiting industry. But my job as a chamber president is to recruit people.

So we are now in the business of recruiting people. And I think that’s where we’re going for us. Our choose making strategy is really our North Star. Like that is our chance to continue to bring people into our community, to keep them here and to be really bold and innovative of what that looks like and how we do it. so, you everybody talks about location, location, location, and I can talk about making all day is an awesome location.

But I would say it’s about people, people, people, and that’s where our chambers are heading.

Brandon Burton (37:57.922)
Yeah, and if you’re single, they’ve got a place for you to meet somebody. I love it. Well, Jessica, for those listening who may want to reach out and connect and learn more about how you’re doing things there in Macon, where would you point them? What would be the best way for them to reach out and connect?

Jessica Walden (38:01.809)
I mean, we are, it is wraparound services around here, that’s for sure.

Jessica Walden (38:16.087)
Yeah!

Obviously you can find me on social media. You can find me on LinkedIn Jessica Walden, but I would say go through MaconChamber.com our new websites rolling out next week So I’m really proud to show that off and easily way to connect with us You know our communication is something that we’re all really proud of as a team. So One of the things I love sharing is our newsletter format that we put out weekly I actually do a weekly video component to it and so if you want to see that that, just shoot me an email, we’ll get you signed up for that and we’ll stay in touch that way. Thank you, Brandon.

Brandon Burton (38:51.627)
Very good. And of course, we’ll have that all linked in our show notes to make it nice and easy. But Jessica, this has been a fun conversation. I appreciate you setting aside some time to join us here on Chamber Chat podcast and to share your experiences and the things that are working for you guys there in Macon. It’s always great to talk about engagement and what’s working for chambers in that realm. So thank you.

Jessica Walden (38:56.894)
Awesome.

Jessica Walden (39:16.077)
Thank you Brandon for providing the platform to do so and thanks to my counterpart in Cobb County, Sharon Mason for recommending this opportunity.

Brandon Burton (39:27.032)
Absolutely.


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Chamber Promotional Videos with Eric Hortness

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Brandon Burton (00:00.738)
Hello, Chamber Champions. Welcome to Chamber Chat Podcast. I’m your host, Brandon Burton, and it’s my goal here on the podcast to introduce you to people and ideas to better help you serve your Chamber members and your community. Our guest for this episode is Eric Hortness. Eric is the Executive Director of the Madison Chamber of Commerce in Madison, South Dakota, a role that he’s proudly held since 2017.

Before stepping into the chamber world, Eric built a career around athletics as a college baseball coach and fundraiser for Dakota State University. His passion for community and teamwork continues to shape his leadership today. Outside of his chamber work, Eric stays deeply connected to the game of baseball, coaching Madison’s spring high school baseball team and cheering on his son who plays college ball at Mount Marty University.

He and his wife Desiree are raising two sports loving kids, including a daughter in sixth grade who’s always ready to compete. Whether it’s family activities, chamber initiatives, or coaching from the dugout, Eric brings energy and commitment to everything he does. But Eric, I’m excited to have you with us today here on Chamber Chat podcast. I’d love to give you an opportunity to say hello to all the chamber champions who are out there listening and to share something interesting about yourself so we can all get to know you a little better.

Eric Hortness (01:24.293)
Yeah, I appreciate it, Brandon, for excited to be here and thank you for the invite. Something exciting, you know, I started with the Greater Madison Area Chamber of Commerce in 2017 and that was really my first, I guess, delve into the chamber world. I reallyโ€ฆ

didn’t have a whole lot of knowledge with a chamber of commerce before that. But it did help that I was fundraising for our university’s athletic department before that. So I knew a lot of the business owners already. Madison, South Dakota, for those that are not familiar, we’re about 45 minutes Northwest of Sioux Falls, South Dakota, which Sioux Falls is the largest city in South Dakota.

Madison’s about 6,500 people. We do have two lakes on the outside of Madison. So when you factor in the two lakes, we’re about a 10,000 population area. And then with the university, we always joke that in the summer, we trade out our college students for lake people.

Brandon Burton (02:48.814)
Yeah, as I say, tourism. So that makes sense. For other college towns, the college students leave in the summer and the population just gets cut in half or something dramatic like that. So it’s nice that you’ve got that balance to be able to keep things moving in the economy. That’s awesome.

Eric Hortness (03:00.825)
Right. Yep.

Eric Hortness (03:08.399)
Yeah, and that’s, you know, we try to, you know, we try to do some things in the summer to draw those, what we call Lakers into our community and hopefully spend some money.

Brandon Burton (03:22.19)
Very good. Well, tell us a little bit more about the, tell us a little bit about Madison. Tell us about the Madison Chamber. Size, staff, scope of work, budget, just to kind of set the stage for, as we dive into our topic today, just to know what kind of resources you’re coming from.

Eric Hortness (03:38.309)
Sure, we’ve got roughly 275 members. We call them investors. We have a staff, including me, two and a half, two full-time and then one part-time staff member. So we rely very heavily on volunteers. Our board is very engaged and I don’t want to call them hands-on, but they are always willing to help.

when we need them to. But like I said, the volunteers for a lot of our different events are huge for us. We wouldn’t be able to do a lot of the things that we do do without a wide range of volunteers. Budget wise, we’re in the $400,000 to $450,000 range for our annual budget. And that comes from

several different buckets from investor dues to some funding that we get from our city because technically we are chamber tourism, downtown, all rolled into one. So we do get about a quarter of our budget from our city. We have some referral programs with some of the companies that we work with that

that generates some revenue as well. And then some of our events and programs help round out our budget.

Brandon Burton (05:15.286)
Yeah, it’s always good to have some good sources of non dues revenues. So you’re not just relying on those investor dues or membership fees and whatnot. Well, I’m excited to dive into our topic of discussion today. We’re going to be covering chamber promotional videos and Eric shared with me a few videos that they’ve done to promote some different events there at the Madison chamber. So we’ll dive in deep on this topic and how they’re doing things there in Madison as soon as they get back from this quick break.

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All right, Eric, we’re back. As I mentioned before the break, we’re talking about chamber promotional videos. Tell us what you guys do. You call them cool dad videos. How did this come to be? What was the idea that generated this and how do you utilize them?

Eric Hortness (06:09.317)
Sure. So this started a couple of years ago, really by accident. And it’s one of those things that can kind of be chalked up to some of your best ideas kind of happened by accident. So we now, since 2018, we do a downtown concert series on our main street. And it has grown from the first year we had a half a block of our main street closed.

And now it’s gone up to three blocks that we close off for six Tuesday nights in the summer. We have sponsors, headlining sponsors, food trucks, inflatables for kids, all kinds of different activities. With a band and we have a little beer tent area. And now we get about 2,500 people down to our downtown on a

on a Tuesday night in the summer. So a couple of years ago, one of our main sponsors wanted to do a little promo video. And so we came up with this idea of let’s just do a kind of two cool dads at a car show. Because with our concerts, we also have a theme. And that particular night was going to be classic.

So anybody that had a classic car that they wanted to show off, they could come and park on one of the blocks that we close off and just show it off. So that was kind of the start of the idea. Just a couple of quote unquote, cool dads walking around at a fake car show is how the video started.

Brandon Burton (07:57.94)
Alright, well, let’s paint the picture. What are these cool dads? I mean, what makes them so cool?

Eric Hortness (08:05.029)
Well, we have fanny packs that we wear for all the videos. We have hats that really probably don’t fit all that well. We have high white socks that we wear and Birkenstocks. So that was our first outfit as a cool dad.

Brandon Burton (08:25.432)
That’s pretty cool.

Eric Hortness (08:34.341)
You know, that’s, I guess, what we envision of dads walking around at a car show.

Brandon Burton (08:41.866)
All right, so yeah, continue with the, didn’t mean to throw you off of the story of promoting the Tuesday night concert series and everything, but we had to get this visual. So these cool dads, they’re doing this video to promote this, but go ahead and continue with the story.

Eric Hortness (08:58.147)
Yeah, part of the, I guess, the outfit also is of course, this is happening in the summer. And so we’ve got shorts and our t-shirts are tucked into our shorts. you know, those, that type of look is what we went with. Gaudy sunglasses. So that paints the picture for everybody on what this first video was centered around.

And we were just doing a promo video more for our sponsor to help get the word out that they’re sponsoring the evening. And, you know, maybe draw a little bit more classic cars downtown. And the first one that we did, it was kind of a one-off deal. Our sponsor is a Heartland Energy for this first video.

energy provider in town. And the other person, that’s the other cool dad, works for Heartland Energy, but also happens to be a state senator. And so he’s, him and I are the two cool dads in all of these videos. And as you can imagine, the dad jokes were not difficult to

Brandon Burton (10:21.134)
I love it. So this first one happens almost by accident. You’re asked, hey, what can we do to promote this, of shine a little more light on our name as a sponsor, that sort of thing. So you guys come up with this idea. How do you, I mean, was it just shot like with somebody’s iPhone? How did you do the first one and how has it evolved to the different videos you do now?

Eric Hortness (10:50.789)
Sure, all filmed with our marketing coordinators cell phone. We have wireless mics that we wear as we did in the first video. We really haven’t changed how we produce these or how we make them. It’s all filmed with a cell phone and a couple of wireless mics.

And, you know, once that first one was released, it really got people talking not only about the event that we were promoting, but just people enjoyed it so much. We still really can’t go anywhere without somebody mentioning when’s the next Cool Dad video coming.

Brandon Burton (11:45.166)
Yeah, that’s cool. So about how many videos have you guys done up to this point? I don’t know if you know a number of it’s just a ballpark guess.

Eric Hortness (11:55.025)
I think we’re, you know, as far as Cool Dad videos, I think we’re in the 12 to 15 range right now with, you know, it’s really gotten to the point now where people, after that first one was released, other entities that had events coming up reached out to us, hey, can you do a Cool Dad video promoting our event? And that’s really what we,

have centered around now is just promoting some of our other investor events that we have coming up. A little, I guess, info on Madison, Miracle Treat Day is ran, it’s a national event with Dairy Queens, and it’s in July every year, and everyโ€ฆ

Blizzard that is purchased, a portion of that goes to help cancer research for children. And our little old Dairy Queen in Madison, South Dakota sells the most blizzards in the nation every year on Miracle Treat Day. So our second video that we did for the Cool Dad was promoting Miracle Treat Day. And it kind of ended with

started where the car show ended. we just kind of played off the car show a little bit. And, if you followed the videos, you can see the connection between our, promoting our downtown Madtown concert series and then miracle treat day. they kind of tied into each other, but now, you know, since then we’ve done several other videos with some of our other investors that have helped.

increase attendance at the events.

Brandon Burton (13:55.064)
So that was gonna be my next question. It’s nice that people around town are seeing it and they’re asking you, hey, when’s the next cool dad video coming out? But in the end, what’s it doing to promote those sponsors or drive attendance to the events? can you share with us what things maybe looked like before starting to do these promotional videos versus after, or what’s that increase been like for these different events?

Eric Hortness (14:20.879)
Sure. You know, some of the videos that we’ve done to help promote other events, our local Kiwanis chapter does a pancake feed every year as a fundraiser for their organization. We did a, I call them stupid video. We did a stupid Cool Dad video with the head of the Kiwanis chapter.

where they needed some cool dad help in, in, making all the pancakes. that was the most after leading up to that event, that was after the video was released that year, they, sold the most tickets for their pancake feed, that they’ve ever sold. And this has been, this is something that’s been going on for years and years.

We did another video for our Trojan Athletic Club, is our, basically our booster club for our university athletic department. Funny story about that. We, we did it with the football coach as we were trying out for the football team, two cool dads trying out for the football team. And unbeknownst to us, we walked into the football coach’s office as we were filming.

And the coach had sunglasses, Birkenstocks on, a fanny pack. Right. And, you know, we’re such a small community that, you know, we, everybody knows everybody, good or bad. Everybody knows everybody. So he had seen the videos. He knew what was, what was coming up. He’s a character himself. But we had no clue that he was going to be, I guess, dressed in.

Brandon Burton (15:53.422)
You got the memo.

Eric Hortness (16:17.797)
Cool Dad costume. But that was the highest that year that we did that video for the Trojan Athletic Club was the highest membership that they’ve ever had. It was kind of a kickoff to their membership drive for the Trojan Athletic Club is what we did for the video. So just different things. I mean, we’ve done one for, we had aโ€ฆ

a brand new city hall that just opened up a handful of months ago. So we did a cool dad video just walking around city hall. As you can imagine, school drop off at the elementary school, it could be a reality show in itself. And last year, at the start of the school year, we did a cool dad video of

Brandon Burton (17:06.776)
Right?

Eric Hortness (17:15.109)
the do’s and don’ts of school drop off. So it’s really taken off with all kinds of different aspects of our Cool Dad videos.

Brandon Burton (17:30.71)
So what made you guys land on the Cool Dad brand, we’ll call it? mean, did it, again, just by accident or did you kick around some other ideas? How did it land on this?

Eric Hortness (17:36.229)
Ha ha ha.

Eric Hortness (17:43.299)
No, think just, you know, when that first video, when we were preparing to start it, really didn’t have a title. We didn’t have a title. We just said, hey, let’s act like we’re two cool dads walking around at a car show. And the cool dad kind of just stuck.

Brandon Burton (18:03.734)
Yeah. So is there any kind of scripting that goes into it? Like, do you talk ahead of time about, let’s do this, this, and this, or do you just ad-lib the whole thing with the common goal of what you’re trying to accomplish?

Eric Hortness (18:15.223)
Yeah, most of it is ad-libbed. We just kind of play off of each other. There typically is some text messages the day before of, let’s get a couple of these one-liners fit in somewhere. It seems like when we have a script, we have way more takes that we have to do than if we don’t have a script.

Brandon Burton (18:44.408)
Yeah, you’re trying to make it perfect, right? Yeah.

Eric Hortness (18:45.445)
It just flows so much better when we don’t have a script and we can just kind of play off of each other.

Brandon Burton (18:53.71)
So you’ve tried it both ways. You’ve tried it with more scripting and more ad lib. And then what’s the post production look like as far as the editing and who’s doing that?

Eric Hortness (18:57.411)
Yeah. Yeah.

Eric Hortness (19:07.069)
Again, that’s our marketing Danielle with our office. She cuts it and pieces it all together and we’ve done enough of them now. It doesn’t take her very, very long to put these videos together. The program that she uses, she’s able to add in different sounds and we did a 4th of July video.

and she added in some sounds of fireworks going off and different things like that. So she’s great at what she does. I stay out of her way and every once in a while she’ll start chuckling and I know it’s gonna be a good video.

Brandon Burton (19:54.126)
I love it. That’s awesome. So I’m thinking for the chambers that are listening, you know, we don’t, I guess in the chamber world, we’re all about ripoff and duplicate, but I can see, I’m just envisioning, you know, a bunch of different, you know, cool dads, you know, going on at Chambers now, but I don’t know where I’m going with the question exactly, but in the brainstorming of creating a character,

Eric Hortness (20:06.959)
the

Brandon Burton (20:23.744)
rather than just creating another cool dad at another chamber. Were there any other ideas as you guys brainstormed it that could be, hey, if we were another chamber, I don’t know, or even if there’s no men working at the chamber, it’s hard to do cool dads. So I don’t know, what are some other kind of quirky, fun, engaging type of characters that might come to mind? Totally throwing you on the spot.

Eric Hortness (20:50.757)
No, yeah. You know, I guess my opinion is the chamber position, the chamber office should be a fun, enjoyable, have fun with the position. I’m not saying that I’m not serious ever, but I don’t take it too serious.

where it’s going to cause a lot of extra stress that, I mean, yeah, chamber work is stressful, but I’m, I’m one that wants to have fun and have civil conversations and, and make people laugh and different things like that. so I, I guess my number one thing would be just have fun with it. Don’t take it too serious.

I’m okay with embarrassing myself from time to time on these videos. It gets people talking, it gets people aware of the events rather than just a suit and tie video where it’s boring and stuffy and things like that. Just have fun with it. In a lot of our videos, we try toโ€ฆ

make a mention of our wives, know, whether it’s they let us out of the house for a day to go to the car show or, you know, different things like that. So we have talked to them that they don’t like the videos. I’ll be honest with you, are embarrassed by the videos. So we’ve told them that as soon as they’re

two cool moms in a video, then we’ll stop doing the videos. So I guess a long way to answer your question is, you could certainly have two cool mom videos out there promoting events. I think just a little bit of brainstorming and with the idea of just have fun with it, I think people will come up with their own characters.

Eric Hortness (23:19.819)
A segue to that, we do a burger brawl in our community. And some of our promo videos one year, I was dressed as Guy not Fieri. And I had the goatee and the wig and all that type of stuff, Flavortown shirt promoting our burger brawl. And then at the end of the event,

Brandon Burton (23:35.914)
Okay.

Eric Hortness (23:50.085)
We have a chamber investor in town that has a mystery machine, Scooby-Doo van that they drive in parades and they have all the Scooby-Doo costumes. And so that was the premise behind all of those videos is that it was solving a mystery on who had the best burger. And so we finished giving the award and some of my board members were dressed as Daphne and Shaggy andโ€ฆ

Brandon Burton (23:57.461)
yeah.

Eric Hortness (24:20.537)
so I think, you know, if you just have fun with your videos, think outside the box a little bit, use your, your investor resources. they’re, you know, find ones that are willing to, to be in these videos. I think it’ll be, it’ll be an easy thing for somebody to incorporate once they get the ball rolling.

Brandon Burton (24:46.616)
What I really like about the approach you guys take is like I’ve seen other chambers, they’ll have the chamber chicks, you know, that go out in the community, but it’s very chamber oriented. And if you’re not already engaged, involved with the chamber in some level, it’s not going to resonate with you where you get a couple of cool dads that are going out. Everybody’s going to kind of tune in and be like, what, what’s going on here? These guys are ridiculous, you know, but it, it gets the attention. It ties it back to the chamber draws awareness of what the chamber is to people who didn’t know.

about it before. So I think it’s a kind of a stroke of genius of the approach that you guys are taking with this on purpose or not. I mean, I think now it’s more intentional.

Eric Hortness (25:25.605)
Well, yeah, yeah, it’s definitely gotten to be more intentional now. The first few were just kind of, yeah, we’ll do one and see how it goes. But yeah, it’s more intentional now. you know, some of the other chamber directors in our state and in our region know about them. They’ve watched them. Whenever they see me, they mention them. And then,

Senator Crabtree, the other cool dad in the video, you know, he’s at our state Capitol for three months out of the year. And so a lot of his fellow seat mates have seen these videos and, and, and the ones that I know, you know, they’ll make comments to me and different things like that. So it really has kind of, I guess, blown up.

locally and regionally a little bit.

Brandon Burton (26:24.662)
Yeah, that’s fantastic. Well, I like asking the question for chambers out there listening who are interested in taking their chamber up to the next level, whether it’s something related to our discussion today or something totally different altogether. What kind of tip or action item might you leave with them and trying to help them accomplish that goal?

Eric Hortness (26:49.221)
in terms of these videos or in terms of really anything?

Brandon Burton (26:54.232)
Just anything, yeah, anything to help elevate their chamber.

Eric Hortness (26:59.173)
Number one, don’t take yourself too serious. Make sure you have impactful conversations with your investors. They’ll tell you what they’re wanting and what they’re looking for. And don’t be afraid to make changes. I think it’s something, it’s an industry that is always gonna be evolving. And soโ€ฆ

The ones that I think are struggling are the ones that are probably set in their ways. And well, we got to keep doing it because it’s what we’ve always done. It’s okay to say no sometimes to events and things like that. And then the pushback when you say no is a lot of times it’s, well, if the chamber’s not going to do it, who’s going to do it? Well, if that’s the case, then it’s probably not an event worth doing.

So it’s definitely okay to say no from time to time to things.

Brandon Burton (28:01.612)
Yeah, absolutely. I like asking everyone I have on the show as we look to the future of Chambers of Commerce, how do you see the future of Chambers and their purpose going forward?

Eric Hortness (28:15.449)
You know, I think it’s going to get, I don’t want to scare the listeners off, but in my opinion, it’s going to be tougher and tougher to get the messaging out, to get the word out about what you’re doing. Everybody’s budgets are getting tighter and tighter. So if you’re not out,

being a champion for your business community, it’s pretty easy for them to write you off when they need to make budget cuts. So I think it’s, you know, goes back to your previous question, always evolving. What’s the, I don’t wanna say the newest trend because you certainly don’t wanna jump on a new trend that in a month goes away. But you gotta be conscious of,

where everything else is going with your investors and trying to mirror what they’re going to be looking for.

Brandon Burton (29:23.66)
Yeah, I think that’s good insight and again, good advice again. Eric, I wanted to give you an opportunity to share any contact information for listeners who may want to reach out and connect with you or learn more about your process. What would be the best way for them to reach out and connect with you?

Eric Hortness (29:45.317)
Sure, a couple of things. My email is eric, eric@chamberofmadisonsd.com. Make sure you put the SD in there for South Dakota. So it’s eric at chamberofmadisonSD.com. My cell number is 605-760-0621. And people can call or text me whenever they want.

You know, if they have questions about really anything that we’re doing here with some of our referral programs or anything like that, or more specifically, if they want to see some of the videos, they’re on our YouTube page, or they can email me and I can certainly send them a link to some of the cool dad videos that we’ve done or any of our other videos too.

Brandon Burton (30:41.516)
So these Chamber Chat episodes are going out on YouTube now as well. So anyone who’s just listening, be sure to check it out on YouTube. But specific for this episode, I’m going to try to link one of your Cool Dad videos after this episode plays so it can just roll into a Cool Dad video. I think that’d be a really neat transition and introduction to what it is that you guys are doing. But Eric, is, yeah, absolutely. This has been fun having you on the show and

Eric Hortness (31:06.287)
Sure, I appreciate it.

Brandon Burton (31:11.44)
talking about something not so serious, but that definitely is driving results. So I appreciate you sharing your example and what you guys are doing, what’s working for you. So other chambers out there can listen and try to replicate or make adjustments for their community, how they see fit. But this has been a fun discussion today.

Eric Hortness (31:30.681)
Yeah, you bet I appreciate the invite, Brandon and appreciate what you do for the Chamber world.


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The Psychology & Science Behind Events with Cally D’Angelo

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Today’s topic explores an often overlooked lens. It’s the psychology and science behind events. Emotion. It’s more than just a feeling. It drives action. In this conversation, we’ll reflect on the emotion and memory, how emotion and memory work together to shape the event, experience that truly sticks. We’ll touch on the softer side, this isn’t about sentimentality. It’s about using psychology and science to design chamber events that leave a lasting impression. Our guest for this episode, to help us cover this topic is Cally D’Angelo. Cally is founder and principal of Collective Cdge LLC. And prior to evolving into an entrepreneur, she spent nearly 20 years in the nonprofit organization management industry, working directly for chambers of commerce, a change agent influenced by innovation, she has launched initiatives from solopreneur to C suite that have enhanced engagement and increased revenue by more than 500% she’s a seasoned executive, skilled in professional development, sales and service member recruitment and retention, Benefits and onboarding, coaching and consulting international travel and volunteer engagement. Cally is driven by impact, and being a business owner enables her to pursue passion projects while utilizing her expertise. Her chamber roots run deep long before launching her own business, and just as strongly after deeply engaged in the chamber industry, she has served as the chair of events division board and ambassador for ACCE. She also is a past member of the Georgia chambers diversity and inclusion Council, a proud graduate of the US chambers Institute for organization management. She’s contributed as class advisor Board of Regent and faculty. She was nationally recognized in ACCE’s 40, under 40, and as a business owner, she continues to serve and support chambers across the country, frequently tapped as a speaker and instructor for state and national associations, including the Florida Association of chamber professionals, Indiana chamber executive Association and Tennessee chamber of commerce, industry and more. But Cally, we are excited to have you with us today here on Chamber Chat Podcast. I’d love to give you an opportunity to say hello to all the Chamber Champions who are out there listening, and often I’ll ask for a unique or interesting fact about you, but today I want to ask you about an experience, whether big or small, that’s helped shape how you show up professionally,

Cally D’Angelo 3:48
Awesome. Thank you so much Brandon for having me. I’m very excited to be featured on today’s Chamber Chat Podcast. And hello chamber champions. If I have not had the opportunity to meet you, I hope that you find this session today valuable, and if there’s anything I can do for you, please feel free to reach out. Look forward to spending some time with everyone today to answer Brandon’s question. You know, I don’t know that I’m super interesting. So we pivoted from that slightly, because I always struggle with telling me something interesting about you, and I don’t find myself very interesting. Frank,

Brandon Burton 4:23
nobody does, but everybody else finds you interesting. So

Cally D’Angelo 4:28
that’s to be determined. We’ll see after the session today, right? But, but I think back on my chamber career, you know, one experience, big or small, that’s, you know, shaped how I show up professionally. There really has been a common theme of women supporting women. When I first started as an intern at the Statesboro chamber and then an executive assistant, it was ran by a full women team, and they really took me under their wing and helped develop me professionally, because I was super young in the space, right? So that was very helpful. You know, their guidance. And then when I went to the Tourism Council on Toby Island, I had a great group of women that got me plugged in. Then I got another opportunity from a professional woman that connected me with the savannah chamber. And then when I was with the Gwinnett chamber, I first was in their programs department, where I learned a lot about executive presence and leadership from Alicia Crow, who is still their SVP of programs and executive engagement. And the organization is also ran by Nick Massino, the president CEO, who is a champion for advancing women in the workplace. And then during my time at the Gwinnett chamber, you know, I was fortunate to be surrounded by female board members and leading ladies who are always so supportive. You know, I started in the chamber industry so young, and a comment, though throughout my career, has been encouraged and supported by women professionals. They instill both knowledge and confidence in me, and their kindness and insights are still things that I carry with me today.

Brandon Burton 5:59
That’s awesome. Yeah, you must have started young. I mean, to be in it nearly 20 years, you probably started when you’re like, nine, right? Well, tell us about collective edge. I think it’ll help to kind of set the stage for our conversation today about what it is that you do and who you serve. Okay,

Cally D’Angelo 6:21
awesome. Thank you. Brandon, so collective edge. We connect to collaboration and creativity and provide innovative approaches that advance organizations. We specifically serve chambers of commerce, associations and nonprofit organizations nationally. So what does that mean? Exactly, here are just some, you know, top four examples. So employee engagement, we empower your internal employees with custom coaching, cultivating a culture where passion, purpose and performance propel progress. We also delve into initiative implementation. This is probably the one that I get the most excited about, because I enjoy getting in the weeds with our chambers of commerce and helping them identify issues and advance initiatives that will combat those issues. So what we do is we essentially blend both consulting and contract work, because what we notice is there’s a gap in the space, bandwidth and capacity is always, you know, an issue for chambers and nonprofits in general. So if a consultant comes in the likeliness of whatever they’re consulting on being implemented or developed and implemented, you know, usually it doesn’t get off the ground 100% so that’s what we do. We blend both of those things. So we’ll help consult you, identify the issue, and then we’ll also do the development implementation of whatever the initiative is. Working in tandem with your team, we also provide staffing support, so we offer on demand services and seamlessly step in to expand your team’s capacity exactly when and where it matters most. So think about it. Let’s say you have your events lead, and perhaps she’s gone on maternity leave, and you have a whole, full season of events, right? And you can always that’s when it would happen, right? And you can’t absorb them staff wise, or maybe you shouldn’t, because you might have other people leave because they’re beyond capacity already, we can seamlessly step in and kind of pick up the ball during those transitionary times. So whether it be you know, more of kind of an events director role or an interim president and CEO, we can help you handle those transitions, especially when you’re hiring, so you can make sure you hire right, not just try to hire quick, okay? We also do organizational audits and assessments through systems and structures and develop the foundational framework that fosters alignment and activates action for your organization.

Brandon Burton 8:47
Very good. That’s a you said the top four, but it’s the kind of full scope of what you do. I know you can go much more granular on it, but it does help give us perspective from kind of where you’re coming from, between your bio and the background on what collective edge does to really set the stage for our conversation today. So I mentioned, kind of, in the intro that today we’re talking about the psychology and science behind events, and we’re going to dive in deep on this. I know you’ve done a lot of research on it. I’m excited to learn what you found out as soon as they get back from this quick break.

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All right, Cally, we’re back, as I mentioned before the break, our topic today is the psychology and science behind events. So this is a very unique lens. Obviously, chambers of all sizes are doing events all the time, but to really hone in on the psychology and science behind it, and really giving purpose to the events is what intrigues me with this. But what sparked your interest in exploring this topic? Yeah,

Cally D’Angelo 13:04
so Brandon, you know, I was approached by ACCE in 2023 to present at their events and marketing conference, and they asked that I speak to event experience. So I kind of went down a rabbit hole, because I didn’t want to talk about florals and tablecloths, although that is a part of event experience, right? But, you know, I’m like, What does really dictate event experience, and that’s memory making. So then that sent me down another rabbit hole of, how do you create memorable event experiences? So, you know, I’m a bit of a nerd. I love data and research, so I began connecting the dots and uncovering synergies between science and psychology and events, and no one had done a white paper or a TED talk on this. So here we are,

Brandon Burton 13:51
created your own TED Talk. So here it is, rolling it out. So why? Why does the overall event experience matters so much for chambers.

Cally D’Angelo 14:05
Yeah, I always like to start with, why is this even important to help people relate it and understand how and why they should implement these tactics, or, if not specifically, these tactics, at least think intentionally about your events. And the event experience matters so much for chambers, for a few reasons. For one, you know, I think we all know that events are the number one sided benefit of membership with your chamber, so it can be used as a strategic recruitment tool, right? Also, I like to say engagement equals retention. So you can get members plugged in, specifically through events in a variety of ways, and that increase, increase, I’m sorry, increases can’t talk here the likeliness of your member staying engaged and you retaining them also through revenue generation. So you can utilize events as a tool to generate revenue through your specific event. Budget, but also looking through the lens, through recruitment and retention. So even if an event doesn’t highly produce financially within its event scope, if it engages new members, it expands your reach and it helps you, you know, engage a number and variety of members across your membership base, then it’s increasing your membership revenue through recruitment and retention as well. And then lastly, to influence initiatives. You know, when you think back on important moments, whether that be in life or through your chamber, you know a lot of those are activated through gatherings and events, right? So you can use events as a tool to influence initiatives. So a couple of examples of that are, if you’re involved in public policy, then maybe you need to pass some sort of vote. Maybe it’s an education referendum or a splash vote, or transportation you can use events as a tool to do that and activate your community towards those goals. You can also bring the community together to champion and solve a common issue or cause. You can even use events to advance, you know, exposure for small businesses at the end of the day, it depends on what the strategy is for your organization and your chamber specifically, but you definitely can use events as a tool to accomplish your goals

Brandon Burton 16:16
Absolutely. And I can see, I really like how you said engagement equals retention. It leads to retention. And as you’re able to engage and make these events memorable, it kind of eliminates that question of, what does the chamber do? You know, good when they go to write the check next time that retention stays high, because they have these memories, these feelings, of what the chamber did for them. So just a side note of my own perspective of what I’ve seen. But as far as perspectives go, from the attendees perspective, what makes an event truly memorable, and why is that important to have a memorable event?

Cally D’Angelo 16:58
Well, you definitely want to have a memorable event, because memory leads to action and and we all have, you know, different types of action we want our prospective members or members to take, and we kind of unpack that further along. But, you know, I did a social media poll and posed the question, what makes an event memorable to you? Didn’t include any contacts, just general statement out there, and got a lot of responses back, but really the top kind of three were bucketed, and they were all centered around kind of connection and feeling. So the top one was connection, which is a feeling, and they said connection to the event and the people at the event, so that’s what makes it memorable to them, right? So how are you getting the right people in the room. How are you facilitating those connections? Are you doing social engineering when you do your seating assignments and being thoughtful about that, such as connection at the event? The second one was how the event made them feel, and we’ll unpack that further along, about how you can help members feel a specific way through event elements, and then also just tactical elements, you know, the experience? Is it well lit? Can they find parking? You know, all those good kind of logistical types of things that’s very important as well. And you know, I would say, even if it’s an object, right, everything speaks and everything has the ability to influence your event experience?

Brandon Burton 18:22
Yeah, I feel like the creating a memorable event really leverages what you’re doing as a chamber too. So you’re not oftentimes, we will rinse and repeat events over time. But if you’re able to create an event that your members attend and they remember, man, you’re getting a whole lot more leverage out of that one experience. So it’s worth putting in the extra attention from from what I can gather. Can you walk us through the concept of emotional memory and how it relates to events? Yeah, sure.

Cally D’Angelo 18:55
So let’s start connecting the dots here. I know everyone’s heard of flight or fight instinct, right? That is how far emotional memory goes back. So the activity of emotionally enhanced memory retention can be linked to human evolution. So during early development, responsive behavior to environmental events would have progressed as a process of trial and error and survival depended on it at that time. And then numerous studies have shown that the most vivid memories are of emotional events or occurrences which are likely to be recalled more and with more clarity than just neutral events.

Brandon Burton 19:34
Okay, so as we make the connection, how does it the impact of memory affect retention from from the event.

Cally D’Angelo 19:45
Yeah. So findings show that emotions play a role at various specific stages of remembering, and those stages are encoding, consolidating and recall. So the first stage of encoding refers to the process of interpret. Incoming stimuli, and combining the processed information so emotionally arousing stimuli results in enhanced memory. So in this context, dimensions of arousal range from soothing to exciting or agitating. So both positive and negative experiences can be formed into your memory bank from your chamber events

Brandon Burton 20:21
for sure. Yeah, people remember how that chicken was right?

Cally D’Angelo 20:26
The chamber chicken, it’s so funny. You mentioned that because I actually have a sticker that I give out as swag that says I love chamber chicken to chicken professionals, because if you know, you know that’s right, but yeah, you’re absolutely right. I mean, you want people to have a good experience, but if they have a bad experience, they remember that too. So it’s very important you know that people aren’t frustrated by the time they find you that if you have award recipients that are announced, that you’re taking the time to make sure you write out the phonetics of the pronunciations of the name on stage, right? Let’s say someone brings their whole family because they’re up for an award, and then you butcher their last name, so that’s not a good memory to store, okay, so we have to be intentional on the front end to create these positive experiences. So yeah, and then after encoding, we dive into emotional arousal. Increases the likelihood of memory consolidation during the retention and storage stage of memory, which is the process of creating the actual permit record of the encoded information. Okay? And then your third stage is recall, which is the process of being able to retrieve that information from your memory bank. And as we know from what we’ve covered so far, recall is dictated by your emotional state. So if you can increase and provide a positive experience at your events, then people are going to recall that feeling and that experience more.

Brandon Burton 21:50
Yeah, I have definitely seen that now, when we speak to the word emotion, people might assume that, in a professional sense, that there’s that emotion doesn’t really have a place. But from what I understand, it’s not just about being emotional, right? There’s a difference between emotion and emotional. But can you share some types of emotion that chambers might want to intentionally evoke through their events? Yeah,

Cally D’Angelo 22:17
absolutely. And you’re you’re correct about that Brandon. You know, I think people, when you hear the word emotional, or someone is labeled as emotional, there’s a negative connotation with that, right?

Brandon Burton 22:27
Makes me think of a league of their own where he’s like, there’s no crying in baseball, right? Yes,

Cally D’Angelo 22:32
but I want you to cry at my events. But I do want you to be moved, okay, depending on what the event is. So it’s not just about crying. You know you want people to feel embraced or welcome. That’s a feeling, right? You want your chamber feel like a place of belonging for the business community. You know you may want your members to feel excited, because you want them champion your membership campaign and sell some memberships on your behalf. You know there are situations where you may want your members to feel contemplative, you know, and considering the impact of an issue that you are discussing. You know you might want to ignite support around a cause, and you would want your event attendees to feel motivated you. You know you may be having an award ceremony, and you want your members and your event attendees to feel seen. So I would say, you know, at the bottom of this, I would just try to understand what the goal of your event is, and what emotions you can tap into to advance whatever that goal is for your event.

Brandon Burton 23:33
Yeah, so let’s, let’s talk about the tactics. What are the practical ways to evoke emotion during an event. So

Cally D’Angelo 23:41
I would just think through your pre event, your during event, and your post event, so all the actions that you are doing at all of those stages, okay, you know, pre event, when you’re promoting it, you can tap into emotion just simply through the language that you’re choosing for your events promotional copy. You know, we are a chamber, but we don’t have to be so buttoned up. And there’s a way, if you have a strong event Brandon, if you have a strong chamber brand, that you can be a little bit more intentional in the copy that you’re creating, in the language in which you’re using to promote your events, you can, you know, implement some emotion through video content and who you’re interviewing and the questions that you’re asking them and how you’re staging that you can, you know, evoke emotion through thoughtful speaker selection. Okay, so someone that is telling a story through the photos that you use to promote your event, you know they don’t have to be clip artist or super buttoned up, they could be more relatable to whoever you’re trying to reach right more interactive, smiling networking you can use, you know, you can evoke emotion through your walk up music at your award ceremony. You know, it doesn’t all have to be the same kind of walk up music with no work. You can, you know, be specific and tailor the walk up music based on the award that you’re giving. So like, for example, if it’s an entrepreneurial award, you know, maybe it’s a I will survive song, you can be specific about and intentional about how you’re doing this. And then through lighting, you know, some of those theatrical elements. So, like, if you have an award ceremony, we’ll go back to that example you have, you know, your walk up music and the lights are kind of going in tandem with your walk up music, right? So it’s just kind of that build up and that experience that you’re giving someone. And then lastly, through storytelling. I mean, there’s a mile long list that we could go through, but I would just say the things that you’re doing already just be more intentional about it, right?

Brandon Burton 25:48
Yeah, absolutely. And when I think of these practical ways, just one small example, I had done a presentation at a chamber conference, and I wanted the attendees to feel welcome. So I got to the room. It was a breakout session, so I got to the room well before anybody else did, but I made sure I was saying hello and introducing myself to everybody that came in the room, and then by the time the presentation started, they all felt welcome. It kind of broke the ice, and it got engagement going a lot quicker. So there are a lot of ways to evoke that emotion, but that’s just an example that I’ve used. But I know storytelling, you mentioned, storytelling can be such a powerful tool for chambers, but why? Why is storytelling so powerful to use in an event setting?

Cally D’Angelo 26:40
Yeah, so when we listen to a good story that is rich in detail and full of metaphor and expressive, we tend to imagine ourselves in that same situation, right? So when I started with the question of kind of we asked of what has been most impactful, or what have I carried with me on my professional journey. I mean, that’s a good example of storytelling, so I’m sure that there are other professionals that can kind of relate to that. Hopefully they’ll remember that and also implement it as well as we, you know, we’re looking to embrace the next generation of female leaders. But that’s just an example. You know, on average and emotion only lasts about 90 seconds. It’s not the emotion that lingers, but the story that you attach to it in your mind. Okay, we keep feeding, you know, these memories, our thoughts, these stories, and we were playing them in our minds, and reinforce that feeling. So that’s one of the reasons why storytelling is so impactful, because we can imagine ourselves in someone else’s shoes. We can relate.

Brandon Burton 27:41
Yeah, so I know you’ve studied the topic, but can you break down for us the science behind storytelling? You kind of alluded to it with, you know, put putting their emotion into that story as they try to picture themselves in that story. But what’s the science behind it?

Cally D’Angelo 27:58
Yes, I basically had to become a scientist to uncover this, just so y’all know, totally kidding, but you know, scientists are discovering that chemicals like cortisol, dopamine and oxytocin are released in the brain when we’re told a story. So those are kind of the chemicals and mechanics behind it. So for example, if you’re trying to make a point stick, cortisol assists with formulating of memories and dopamine, which helps regulate our emotional responses, helps keep us engaged, and then when it comes to creating deeper connections with others, oxytocin is associated with infinite empathy, which is an important element in building and maintaining good relationships. So those are just some of the chemicals that are activated in our minds when we are listening to a story?

Brandon Burton 28:44
Yeah? So I’m trying to see, in a practical sense, at an event, how can a chamber incorporate storytelling into their events?

Cally D’Angelo 28:53
Yeah? So there’s a variety of different ways, but let’s say, let’s go back to the Small Business Award Ceremony example. Because you know, most chambers, about 90% of their members are small businesses with 50 employees or less. So I feel like this example will kind of resonate with the masses. But let’s say you’re hosting an award ceremony for a small business, for small businesses, and you can actually promote a small business success story via a video interview to tee up and promote on the front end your award ceremony. You can also host a fireside chat. So your event format can help through storytelling, where it literally the focus of the event is hearing someone’s story. So maybe it’s someone’s entrepreneurial journey that’s always impactful, yeah. So for the chamber itself, you can also tell your story as well through your events. At the end of the day, it should be driven by your strategic plan and your communications plan, and then interwoven into all your chamber elements such as events, but chambers can really humanize their mission, elevate their members and create emotionally engaging events that drive deeper connection. Time through storytelling. So let’s say we talked about, you know, the stats surrounding 90% of Chamber members having 50 employees or less. You can tie in the support of your small businesses and to your events, if that’s something that you’re championing through your strategic plan, through your MC remarks, through highlighting members entrepreneurial journeys. If you’re able, let’s say you’ve got a grant for a small business through some connection at the Chamber, then you could not, you know, let’s not just self promote the chamber for doing that, but you can do a story on what that will mean for that small business. Okay, just really kind of connecting those dots and storing those emotional responses. You can do things like a why I joined, or why I stayed campaign so utilizing your members to tell the chamber story for you. You can also do this through like legacy moments, so like milestone anniversary highlights. You could do this through a social media campaign where you talk about my chamber, my story on social. And you can also do future focused storytelling. I know a lot of us have state of events, right? State of the County, state of the city, state of space. So this is, you know, those are really updates on where we are, but where we’re going as well. So you can use those as a tool for future focused storytelling as well.

Brandon Burton 31:21
That makes a lot of sense. There’s no, no limit to when and how to incorporate stories into events, and I would even say regular communications through different channels like podcasts and YouTube and your newsletters, and, you know, all the different things. But before we wrap up, I wanted to ask you for maybe a tip or an action item that a chamber professional can take today to elevate their next event.

Cally D’Angelo 31:49
Yes. So if anyone’s heard me speak before, it really always comes down to be intentional. That’s typically my top takeaway. So I would ask you, what kind of story do you want your chamber to tell? What do you want to be known for? What is your chambers legacy? And then, how can you leverage events as a platform to tell that story? So I would say, intentionality and cohesion across your organization and make sure everyone is working towards a common goal, so we’re not siloed in events and siloed in membership, right? Yeah, really operating off of that strategic plan and who you want your chamber to be, and then, you know, evoking emotion through events, through storytelling, and all the different elements we discussed today.

Brandon Burton 32:36
Yeah, it’s important to have all the staff to have the same vision, so they’re all telling the same story, right? Sounds bad. It sounds bad to say, you know, get all of our stories aligned, because that’s usually, you know, Incorporated to, like, making up a story, but, you know, getting in line with, here’s what our vision is, and getting all the staff on board with, yes, this is a vision, and everything we do helps support that story. I think is, is a great piece of advice. So I always like asking guests on the podcast how they see the future of chambers going forward, but I wanted to specifically ask you about how do you see the future of chambers evolving, and what role will events play in that?

Cally D’Angelo 33:18
Yeah. So you know, I think we all wish we had a crystal ball. But what I will say is I see, in my opinion Chambers as continuing to evolve as and serve as a catalyst for their communities. But I think that, you know, we’re going to have to probably be more intentional or specific on kind of the causes we champion and the things that we support and how we do that, I think, also too, you know, we’re going to continue to be that trusted resource in the future, but we also need to modify our approach and our communications to reach the younger professionals. You know, currently, right now, millennials are the largest segment of our workforce, and they hold the largest spending power and the United States right? So as a chamber, we have to continue to evolve and modify our approach so we can be a chamber of the future. Not to sound campy, but we do have to have some intentionality, you know, behind that, as far as how we can use events to, you know, expand upon that. I mean, you can use events as as a tool to reach and support, you know, the younger professionals market. You can be specific and how you’re creating these events. You can, you know, create events surrounding whatever your objective is and whatever action you want to implement within your community. You know, I know sometimes there’s talk around how I say this, don’t be a parade chamber, or a negative connotation with events, don’t just be an events mill organization, right? But I think that might come from a lens of not understanding that specific chambers. Different communities. They’re not all the same. It’s not a one size fits all. And events are a, you know, strategic tool to advance whatever your objectives are. And for you know, some of our smaller chambers, some of their strategic plans may be community engagement. So parade would be fitting. So I would just say, as we hear, you know people speak to things in different events and so forth. They very much are still important. Are and are going to be the way that you engage your community, that you recruit, retain your members. So keep up the good fight with your events.

Brandon Burton 35:35
I love what you said about events being a strategic tool to advance your objectives. I think a lot of chambers, you know, leaders staff, they come into a chamber and there’s already a menu of events that they’ve been doing for a long time, you know, the 50th annual whatever, whatever you know. And they kind of get into this trap of doing events for the sake of doing the event, instead of identifying the how are we, how are we being strategic, and how is this event helping to further advance our objectives? And when it comes becomes more about just we have to do XYZ event because, you know, it’s that time of year. Well, is that really the purpose behind it? So I love that. I’m glad you really glad that you pointed that out. So you mentioned in your in your introduction, and about collective edge, kind of what you do, but do you also speak and instruct with chambers and associations? I know you do with you know, from what we shared in your bio, but in what ways are you available to support chambers, and what would be the best way for them to reach out and connect with you if they were to try to bring you on board to help their their chamber with any of the things that you’ve talked about?

Cally D’Angelo 36:56
Yeah, thanks, Brandon for that tee up. Yes, I do regularly speak or instruct at different chamber conferences, whether that’s you know, nationally or statewide, or I can even you know, come speak to your members for your chamber. So recently, did something on innovation, and was actually presenting to the chambers Chamber members. So we can do that a variety of different ways. I like to say, I take a tactical approach, so you kind of walk away with, you know, some applicable things that you can implement, and not kind of super high level. So that’s the approach. So if that would be helpful to anybody you know, certainly reach out. You know, I started this organization to expand my impact and making a difference, I know a lot of that will resonate with our audience, because chamber professionals typically are purpose driven and mission minded. So if I can help you advance your mission, whether that be through coaching or teaching, please keep me in mind and you can get in touch with me in a variety of ways. My email is super long, but it is cally@collectiveedgeagency.com my website is collectiveedgeagency.com and then my cell phone feel free to call or text. Is 912-412-5109,

Brandon Burton 38:22
that that’s perfect, and we will get that in our show notes to make it nice and easy for people to find. But I know Cally, you speak and present on a variety of different topics, so not everything is all about psychology and science behind events, but I think this is one of those topics that kind of bleeds over into so many things that chambers are involved with and and I’d argue even that you’re involved with to be able to make sure that the experience for your clients is something that’s memorable, that’ll evoke that emotion and stay with them for a long time. So I appreciate you spending time with us today, here on chamber chat podcast and and really digging into the science and psychology behind events. This is fantastic. I appreciate

Cally D’Angelo 39:07
it. Yeah, it’s been my pleasure. Thank you so much for having

Brandon Burton 39:12
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Chamber Burnout with Jamie Beasley

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This is the Chamber Chat Podcast, the show dedicated to chamber professionals to spark ideas and to get actionable tips and strategies to better serve your members and community.

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Jamie Beasley 2:16
Well. Thank you very much. Brandon, I’m excited to be on here something interesting about me is that my my journey through the chamber slash economic development world has been bumpy because the first two. This is my third position in this industry, and my first two were both cut short after less than six months due to a lack of funding. So I like and I moved for these positions. So, like, I’ve been all around the country just trying to work in this industry.

Speaker 1 2:57
Yeah,

Brandon Burton 3:00
you kind of been burned twice, but you still believe in it. You still absolutely

Jamie Beasley 3:04
forward, yeah, absolutely. I believe in what we’re trying to do. It’s just figuring out the funding that can be an issue, as we know now very well,

Brandon Burton 3:16
yeah, exactly, well, and I’m sure that becomes somewhat of a driver for you, too, at this point in your career to make sure things work and make sure the funding is coming in to make that program of work continue.

Jamie Beasley 3:30
Yes, absolutely, absolutely. So hopefully, fingers crossed that we’re good here. Yeah,

Brandon Burton 3:38
well, tell us a little bit about the Pike County Chamber and EDC, just give us an idea of size, staff, scope of work, budget, that sort of thing, just to kind of set the stage for our discussion today.

Jamie Beasley 3:51
So we are a like we are both a chamber and Economic Development Corporation with two different kind of membership groups. But between both, we have around 175 members. We have a revenue or a budget. I have around 100,000 a little over that, the Economic Development Corporation, absorbed the chamber last year into its fold. So in that process, there’s been confusion and a rebuilding. So we’ve kind of, I mean, we have members that came over, of course, from the chamber, but we lost some, and now we’ve got to show them that we’re still offering, you know, great services, and we’re great assets to the business and the community. So we’re kind of in a rebuilding mode, yeah,

Brandon Burton 4:53
yeah. It sounds like it an opportunity, I guess, for making sure that Brandon. Is hitting right in the community and getting the messaging across about what it is you guys do and what you provide and the impact they make in the community. So were they? Were they two separate organizations, the chamber and EDC, before the EDC absorbed the chamber,

Jamie Beasley 5:16
they were i, so I’m not the chamber has been around for, you know, a long time. The EDC has been around for about 25 years. I don’t know what caused the chamber to decide we don’t want to do this on our own anymore. Um, but they did, and I have heard since I stepped into this role, and I know started doing monthly networking because that had dropped off in monthly newsletters, because that had dropped off and just Facebook and stuff like that. I have heard numerous times how happy people are to be seeing activity and engagement. So I don’t know what had happened before, but it’s, I think, proof positive that people really like to see the chamber active and engaged in the community like it does matter, right, right?

Brandon Burton 6:13
So our topic for our discussion today is is going to be one that I think a lot of chamber leaders can resonate with a lot of chamber staff can resonate with when it comes to the idea of chamber burnout, I think we all come across it from time to time. Sometimes it hits a little harder than other times, but I think it’s important to have a strategy in place, to have a way to be able to face the burnout as it comes, because it will come if it hasn’t yet, and if it has come, you know exactly what we’re talking about, but we’ll dive in much deeper into this conversation as soon as we get back from this quick break.

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All right, Jamie, we’re back. So as I mentioned before the break today, we’re talking about chamber burnout. So it’s, it may be best just to hear from your experience what’s been, what’s been that, how’s that looked in your career, that that burnout? How’s that you have reared its ugly head, and what kind of solutions have you figured out for it?

Jamie Beasley 10:27
Well, in my my journey through this industry, I have noted that in all my positions, and I’m have heard other directors say similar things, that they’re doing it all. You know, we’re all doing it all, like, maybe, if you’re lucky, you have, like, a part time assistant or something to help you. But a lot of us are, you know, we’re the director, we’re the administrative assistant, we’re the membership driver. You know, we’re doing all the things we’re and we’re planning events, we’re working on tourism, we’re, it’s a lot and, I mean, and that’s certainly the case for me as well. I mean, I’m in charge of tourism and the chamber and Economic Development Corporation, and I am the administrative assistant as well. So it can definitely be overwhelming. And there are certainly days where you just want to throw up your hands and be like, No more. Yeah,

Brandon Burton 11:36
I know when there’s a there’s times on my computer I’ve got way too many tabs open and trying to focus on what it is that I’m doing at that moment, I’m like, Hold on, I gotta close out some tabs, because this is completely overwhelming. And as a chamber leader, as a chamber staff, even, you know, sometimes those tabs, you just can’t close them. They’re just always open. And how have you found to be effective to try to to manage all these open tabs and distractions that can come your way at any moment that they take you off course of what the the main purpose is, or the main thing at hand that you’re you’re focused on.

Jamie Beasley 12:14
Well, I mean, for me, the key has really been to bring in help. I mean, it started with a couple of interns just working a few hours a week to help with social media, and even something simple, like, like social media and, you know, asking them to, hey, here’s a post. Please. Schedule this. Put it together and schedule it. Just that takes a load off of your mind, and it just gives you a little chance to breathe and and I know, I mean, I’ve heard plenty of of chamber directors, you know, talk about the same thing, the overload, the doing everything and experiencing the just even the little bit of pressure that took off. Having these two interns to help with social media, it kind of led me to the idea of because I have worked as a virtual assistant, and it, it just left me like we need virtual assistants. I mean, most of us, I mean the smaller chambers, we can’t afford a full time administrative assistant, you know, and the benefits and all of the things, but maybe we can afford somebody part time. So I I started building that. I started looking for contractors who could do the things that I need done. And I figure if I needed them done, other chamber, like event planning, social media, general admin. So that’s been how i That’s how I dealt with, yeah, bringing in help bring I mean, that’s really, I don’t know any other way to just get it all done.

Brandon Burton 14:14
I think that’s great. I think you know so often you’re wearing so many different hats, right? And for the example, social media. Yes, that’s on the to do list. Yes, we all understand social media is important. You need to have the presence out there. But when you’re being pulled 18 different ways, and that social media thing just keeps pinging you, like, hey, you need to do this. You need to do this. Well, the time that it would take you to do it, and the expertise not not knock docking anybody’s, you know, capabilities of social media, but if it’s somebody’s wheelhouse where that’s what they do day in and day out of social media, they can knock it out and move on to the next thing and check it off the list for you. So it’s not hovering in your mind and thinking, Oh, I got to get to this thing and and. You know, maybe four times as long to do the thing that it would to have this intern do it, or the the assistant, or whatever it may be, and, and I think that’s true. You know, with a lot of these different aspects you you mentioned, like event planning and things like that, where, when you’re wearing all the different hats, it’s very hard to get in that zone of planning an event, because then the phone rings and you’re off to, you know, put out this fire and that fire, and it’s really hard to get the traction and get things moving. So, yeah, I can definitely see the value in bringing in help. So you had mentioned, you know, bringing in interns. You mentioned virtual assistants. One thought that comes to mind is, you know, maybe at a chamber, they’ve got an ambassador program and some ambassadors who will raise their hand and take on, you know, some of these tasks and help lighten the load. Maybe it’s a board member who who aligns well with with some of these things that can help. I don’t know. Are there other other ideas or approaches or things you’ve seen to be successful? Sure.

Jamie Beasley 16:06
I mean, a lot of a lot of chambers use volunteers. I mean, obviously your board is volunteer. And you know, if you volunteers are a great source of help. If you can get their time. They’re just, you know, they’re volunteers, so you can’t be demanding on. You must do this at this time and be here and whatever you know, or you risk driving them away. Now they can be great. I mean, they can be great no matter what, but especially if you’re like, working on a project, that’s something they really care about. Oh, yeah. I mean, I have a volunteer right now who he moved away from town, and then he came back, and now he just wants to see that his town to be as great as it can be. And so he’s coming in with all these ideas that he gathered from his, you know, life journey, and he’s so we’re working together. And, I mean, he is a breath of fresh air, and I am so grateful for just that level of enthusiasm, and, you know, willingness to do whatever needs to be done to make the thing that we’re working on happen. So, I mean, volunteers are definitely something to take advantage of if you have access to them.

Brandon Burton 17:34
Yeah, absolutely, yeah. And I think, to your point of if it’s something that strikes a chord with that volunteer that is in their wheelhouse, so they can get get excited about, for example, if you’ve got that Ambassador that is at every ribbon cutting, and they’re excited about it and they want to support the new business, maybe they would help by posting that on on social media, you know, some pictures and some captions, and put it on social Media, because that’s in their wheelhouse. That’s what they enjoy. Kind of touts being there and all that. So I think looking for those opportunities where you can lean upon those people, where they are excited about that task that maybe you’re not as excited about anymore, right? And

Jamie Beasley 18:17
I think that’s really the importance, is sometimes we like, we try to find volunteers to do like, maybe, I don’t know, fill certain hours or whatever. And what we really need to be focusing on is finding volunteers who are passionate about a thing and okay, you want to work like, it doesn’t have to be just one volunteer that comes in four hours a week or whatever. I mean, that’s great, if you can find it, but it could just, yeah, be one person who really wants to do social media, or one person who loves planning events, or one one person who you know you kind of have to because they’re volunteers like fit into their life in the best way, because we have a tendency to be like, well, the volunteer needs to fit into our organization, our schedule and the way we do things, but they’re the volunteer, so you need to make sure it’s a benefit to them and something that they enjoy doing, or you’re not going to have a volunteer for very long.

Brandon Burton 19:18
Yeah, it’s definitely a different approach than what you did with the staff or a paid, paid helper, right, right?

Jamie Beasley 19:25
Exactly. Yeah. So, I mean,

Speaker 1 19:29
sorry, go ahead.

Jamie Beasley 19:30
Some places like there are people who, you know, maybe they want somebody in there to answer the phone from like, eight to noon, and there are people who might agree to do that. I’m not saying you can never do that. I’m just saying make sure that you take your volunteers interest into consideration.

Brandon Burton 19:49
Yeah, yeah, for sure. So you’ve definitely have seen this as a pain point in your career, which, which has led to, as I mentioned in. Bio being the founder of econ DevOps, why don’t you tell us a little bit about what econ DevOps is and how it helps to overcome some of this chamber burnout that so many of us face.

Jamie Beasley 20:13
Absolutely So econ DevOps is a virtual assistant agency specifically focused on chambers and economic development organizations. So you know, we’re we are there to help with social media, event planning, newsletters, chasing invoices, just any and everything that chamber directors try to do. I mean, as long as we can do it on the computer, we can help with it. And it’s just, I felt like, I mean, virtual assistants have been around for years. And for some reason, it felt like chambers and EDOs, like small videos. Didn’t think about that they can use virtual assistants to like, the connection had just never been made. So all I really did was make that connection, because I have worked as a virtual assistant and as a chamber director. So I know I would love to have somebody do social media. I would love to have somebody do event planning, and so I created that because I also think at least this is what has been my experience. I have a certain skill set, like I am friendly. I love going out and talking to people and brainstorming and all these things. I am really not as detail oriented as some of these responsibilities need. So it takes me longer, and I procrastinate because I don’t want to do it, because I don’t enjoy it. And so having somebody that can come in and like, likes doing that thing and is detail oriented makes a world of difference. I mean, I hired one of my VAs to help me to with econ DevOps, because I was like, I know these are not the things I’m strong at, and so please help me do those things so that I can focus on the things that I am strong at, right? And I think that is as much a part of burnout as doing all the things, is doing things that you’re not good at and you don’t enjoy, and then you procrastinate on doing them, and so then that’s like hanging over your head and you’re stressing about that, and you know, you finally get it done. But you know, it’s just, it’s so much. It is so much. Directors do so much. I mean, not just directors, all of the chamber staff, because they’re all doing one thing, right? You know? I mean, it kind of all the directors, the face the director is the one that has to talk to the board, and it’s a lot, and it really can just be incredibly overwhelming. Yeah,

Brandon Burton 23:05
so I’ve, I’ve done this exercise before with, if I remember it right, you take, like, a piece of paper and fold it into quadrants, so you got four sections to it, and then in one section, you write down, you know, all the things with your job that you enjoy, you know that you enjoy doing. And then in the next square, you’re writing down all the things that you really don’t enjoy doing. And then in the next square, you write all the things that you personally have to do, like because of your title, your responsibilities, the role, whatever it is you have to do these things. And then another, that final square, all those things that you do that you don’t have to be the one doing it. And I think going through that sort of an exercise can help to see okay, if I can offload some of this in all the variety of different ways that you mentioned, that leaves more bandwidth for me to do the things that I enjoy doing, and the things that I have to do in a much better and efficient manner. And just it just opens that bandwidth and frees the brain space and all of that. So, yeah,

Jamie Beasley 24:12
that’s a great, a great exercise from figuring out what you should not be doing. I mean, I just would tell people make a list of all the things, but I like your idea better.

Brandon Burton 24:27
Well, give me credit the first two times, then it’s yours to own for however you want to use it to do so. So you’d mentioned virtual assistants, and in the past, as I’ve heard of virtual assistants. I’ve always pictured them being overseas, you know, in the Philippines or so, right? Yeah. So for a chamber that can be a US based chamber that can be a difficult hurdle to think, well, let me bring on this VA, who’s in the Philippines, who may not, maybe not, everything translates the same way when. Got a chamber member who’s calling about something on Main Street, and maybe it just doesn’t resonate the same way, or then they find out, hey, I hired somebody overseas, and we’re the Chamber of Commerce. We should be. It just has a negative connotation to it. So I like the idea of presenting yourself as a virtual assistant, but specialized with chambers of commerce and EDOs and being able to understand the language and be not just English, but the language the chamber and Edo language,

Jamie Beasley 25:31
right? Yeah, absolutely. And I mean, and that’s part of our deal is we only hire us based virtual assistants, you know, partially for the language and differences, you know, because translation can cause problems, but also just for the security issues. Like, I mean, not that there’s, you know, a big security threat in the Philippines, but like, it’s just you know you never know. You never know. You never know exactly you never know. So all, yeah, all of our VAs are US based and we also, what I really, I like about our process is that we try to match a client with a VA like, personality wise and work style wise, not just like, Okay, well, here’s somebody best, a lot to you. But you know, like talking to the client, talking to the VA, then having them talk, make sure they get along and like each other and can work, you know, feel like they’re going to work well together and and so I feel like it makes it, it’s, I mean, it’s kind of like hiring an employee, only they’re not an employee. But, you know, you get to know, if, like, because if you sit down and talk to somebody for five minutes and you’re like, I cannot work with them, well, let’s, yeah, let’s move on to somebody else. So, I mean, it’s like a whole process, because we want to make sure that your assistant is not another source of stress for you, right? Because we don’t need any more sources of stress. We have plenty,

Brandon Burton 27:14
right? I like that. So essentially, you’re a matchmaker. That’s what you have, yes, essentially,

Jamie Beasley 27:19
essentially. I mean, we all heard of, like, head hunters for, you know, C suite executives. That’s just common. I mean, I’m not that. I’m, you know, a headhunter for admin, but I am a, you know, like, I can find you a good virtual assistant, and then you don’t have to worry about, you know, benefits, or workers comp, or any of those things. And so because that was one of the things we ran into with the interns that I didn’t think about, was workers comp and the State Revenue Office, like all those things that I hadn’t thought about, and and it made it more expensive than we were expecting. And if, when you hire a contractor, you don’t have to do that.

Speaker 1 28:06
So, yeah, those are good, good points.

Brandon Burton 28:10
Yeah, again, it’s offloading headaches, right? Offloading

Jamie Beasley 28:15
headaches, that is what we want to be doing. Offloading headaches. That’s right, there’s just so many other things that we get we can focus on, right?

Brandon Burton 28:26
So this, this next question is, it may be right in your wheelhouse, but for chambers listening who want to take their organization up to the next level, what kind of tip or action item would you share with them to try to accomplish that goal.

Jamie Beasley 28:44
Well, I mean, I really feel like not trying to do it all yourself is one of the biggest things you can do. And it can be a virtual assistant, it can be a volunteer, it can be an intern, it can be a combination of all three. We’re so used to doing so much with so little, and I mean, directors burn out, and that’s not good for our organization. I mean, obviously it’s not good for us. It’s not good for our organization. It makes the chamber look bad when you’re having to hire a new director every two years. Yeah, you know. So just Yeah, regardless of how you go about it, find somebody to help you, volunteer intern, hiring whatever. Just stop trying to do it all by yourself because you can’t. And yeah, y’all are going to burn out.

Brandon Burton 29:46
And that’s a great plug right there for anyone listening, to share with their board is it really has a negative impact when you see the chamber executive that you know turning over every couple years, when you’re thinking, How do. Get these members to renew their membership year after year, but yet the leader of the organization can’t stick around for more than two years. What does that say about the organization? So being able to bring in help is huge, to be able to have that longevity, and it trickles down into membership and sponsorships and everything else, because it shows the health of the organization. So 100% Yeah, absolutely. Great tip. I like asking everyone I have on the show, as we look to the future of chambers of commerce, how do you see the future of chambers and their purpose going forward?

Jamie Beasley 30:37
I think that chambers could have a huge role in our communities. Moving forward, I feel like in the past, not the chambers weren’t important, but especially smaller chambers were like parades, and I don’t know stuff and things like

Brandon Burton 30:58
parties, pageants and parades, right? Yes, thank you.

Jamie Beasley 31:02
And I feel like now, with the way everything is changing so fast that chambers really could help business like help walk businesses through these changes, guide businesses through these changes. I mean, whether it’s finding an AI expert to do a workshop for your businesses, or, you know, finding something to teach people how to make graphics on Canva, or, you know, do social media or reels or Tiktok. I mean, I feel like chambers really do have a future if they embrace their role as leader and educator and advocate, of course, rather than parties, parades and pageants, yeah,

Brandon Burton 31:51
yeah, all those things that you mentioned are things that will help move the needle for a business. Absolutely, you know, having a parade and that community involvement. It’s nice. It can serve a purpose. And depending on the community, maybe you do that. But those things that move the needle and really help a business move forward, especially with the speed that we see in the economy these days, with AI and everything else, it’s so important to be, you know, forward thinking, and be able to be that educator and that convener of ideas and leaders as well. So absolutely. Yeah, well, Jamie, I wanted to give you an opportunity to share any contact information for listeners who might want to reach out and connect with you and learn more about your approach, or econ DevOps, or anything that you’ve covered today. What would be the best way for them to reach out and connect. Well,

Jamie Beasley 32:43
you can either connect with me on LinkedIn, that’s a great way, or our website is econdevops.com and our email address is Hello@econdevops.com. So any one of those will get you straight to me. So I would love to talk to anybody, whether it’s about Econ Dev Ops or they just want to be like, Yeah, I’m burnt out too, and I get it and, you know, yeah, exactly

Brandon Burton 33:17
good with whatever, yeah, yeah. Chamber, chamber folks need support. You know, that’s for

Jamie Beasley 33:22
sure, absolutely

Brandon Burton 33:25
well, I will get your contact information in our show notes for this episode, so it’ll make it easy for listeners to find that and connect with you. But Jamie, I want to thank you for spending time with us today on chamber chat podcast and and thank you for the work you’re doing to help overcome the burnout throughout the industry. I appreciate it

Jamie Beasley 33:46
My pleasure. Thank you for having me on it’s been great.

Brandon Burton 33:51
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Income Generating Community Masterplan with Rudy Flores

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Our guest for this episode is Rudy Flores. Rudy is the President and CEO of the Lincoln Square Ravenswood Chamber of Commerce in Chicago, also known as the LSRCC. He is a passionate advocate for small business and community development. Over Rudy’s 13 year tenure, he’s grown the LSRCC budget by 354% and led the creation of a community wide master plan that has driven significant public investments. He also manages the Lincoln Square Neighborhood Improvement Program and has secured grants to enhance organizational resilience and foster peer to peer training. Rudy serves as a chair on the US Chamber in on the US chambers, Institute for organizational management, Board of Regents and the Illinois Association of Chamber of Commerce Executives, demonstrating his commitment to advancing the chamber industry. Rudy, I’m excited to have you with us today here on Chamber Chat Podcast. I’d love to give you a moment to say hello to all the Chamber Champions who are out there listening, and to share something interesting about yourself so we can all get to know you a little better. Yeah,

Rudy Flores 2:16
thanks for having me today. You know, I am in a different type of chamber, I think, than most of our industry, where it’s in the inner city Chicago is a little different than most, where every neighborhood within the city proper has a Chamber of Commerce. So I’m in a square mile area that has 45,000 residents. So that’s usually shocking to people. And the business mix. We have about 800 business licenses within that square mile. So that’s something I think that’s unique. And then about myself, that’s something I that people usually find really interesting, is I just bought a car in March of 2023 so two years ago, I went 22 years without having a vehicle. I’ve always lived in more dense urban settings, Baltimore, DC, Philadelphia and Chicago, so never really needed a car, and decided to finally get one and do some more exploring and being on the two boards that you mentioned, I’ve been traveling a lot more to different chambers through my role, and it’s been really interesting and unique to go and visit, you know, rural chambers, suburban chambers. And the one thing I like to tell people is, like, you know what? We’re all the same. We all have the same struggles, the successes. It’s just our geographies are different. So it’s been really fun for me having a car and getting to drive around and, they, know, experience the chamber industry.

Brandon Burton 3:42
Yeah, that is, it is interesting. So was it an adjustment to drive again? Like to skip behind the wheel?

Rudy Flores 3:50
Yeah, I still rent cars here and there, you know. I mean, you still have to have a car originally, but, you know, it’s, I’m don’t have the downtime of, like, reading a book while on transit and stuff like that. So that’s a little different or, you know, but now I’m switching to podcasts.

Brandon Burton 4:07
Good deal. I’m glad, glad we could support that for you. Well, tell us a little bit more about the Lincoln Square Ravenswood chamber. Just give us an idea. I mean, you, you’d mentioned the 45,000 population, that square mile. It definitely is unique. But give us an idea, size, staff, budget, scope of work. I mean, it is a unique type of chamber. So just to dive into that a little bit and help help us get our minds wrapped around that, I guess.

Rudy Flores 4:39
Yeah, so when I started in was that 2011 it was just at two and a half of us, you know, two full time, one part time. Now we’re at five full time, one part time. We have a little over 300 members. Why? What else our budget is? When I started was right around three. 100,000 the last two years we’ve been over a million. So, you know, growth has been a really important thing, like trying to diversify our income, it’s been a big focus. And that’s that you mentioned in my bio, a peer to peer grant where we train other chamber professionals. It’s been about, how do you grow your budget without, you know, overworking your employees, or, you know, only having limited employees and stuff like that. So that’s been a big focus on mine, just because I love the industry that we’re in. But you know, in my community, in Lincoln, COVID area of Chicago, we’re on the north side. We’re about a mile and a half from Wrigley Field, where the Cubs play. So the members that we have, a lot of them are brick and mortar retail restaurants. So I know a lot of chambers have, like the CVBS or the main street organizations, so we kind of more aligned with that, but doesn’t mean we don’t have the professional services and stuff like that. So for us, it’s always having to find a balance of like, our bread and butter is that brick and mortar retail restaurant. So we’re doing a lot of events where it’s consumer facing, but still having to figure out the right mix of things we’re doing to create benefits for those lawyers, accountants, you know, insurance agents, things like that.

Brandon Burton 6:14
Yeah. So with one square mile that you’re working with when it comes to events and different things like that, do you have a venue that you go to, like your go to venue that you use? Or how do you when you don’t have the entire city necessarily to to pull from, or maybe you do, I don’t know. I mean, how do you, how do you approach that when you have different events and where you need to utilize a venue of sorts, yeah.

Rudy Flores 6:41
So, I mean, the public street, it’s like, our biggest venue. So we, Chicago is really well known for street festivals. You know, if you’ve been to Chicago, hopefully you’ve been in the summer, when our weather is amazing. If you’ve been in the winter, it’s a different amazing. It’s cold and windy. You know, earlier this week, it was a negative three windshell, you know, at eight o’clock in the morning. So, so we really, we had two street festivals that we do in one’s in the second week of July, and then the other one is the first weekend of October. The one in the summer has about 40,000 attendees. It’s music, craft beer, local businesses and food. And where the one in October is called Apple fest. It’s a Fall Harvest Festival where we bring farms in from around the Midwest and kind of celebrate the return of fall. We hit 70,000 people this year. The we closed down almost a half a mile of our main business corridor. And it’s all about promoting local businesses. And so that’s where, like a big, big money generator for us, is that those are fundraising efforts for the for the organization, but also our members are selling product and stuff and making money. But then we do our smaller things, like in the winter we have, we’re lucky, an industrial corridor that, over the years, has turned into more like event spaces and more artists and startups and galleries and stuff like that. So we do rent some of those venues and do things indoors. We used to do galas. We don’t really do that anymore, because our membership isn’t really looking for that kind of stuff. So we do a lot more business to consumer facing events. We do things like wine strolls and beer crawls and stuff like that, where you basically go and taste like for our wine store, we go, we get wine distributors to be within each of our businesses. They can be from dental offices to a retail store, and you buy a ticket as a consumer and go and taste wine. But it’s marketing the business, because you’re not walking into something. So we do a whole bunch of different things. We also run 22 weeks of farmers markets twice a week. So we have 78 days of programmed community events that we put on throughout the year. Wow, that’ll

Brandon Burton 8:54
keep you busy. It does well. That definitely helps give some more context around, you know, setting the stage for our discussion today, and we’re going to focus most of our conversation around that community master plan, and specifically with the income generation that comes from this community master plan. And we’ll dive in deep on this as soon as we get back from this quick break.

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All right, Rudy, we are back, so let’s, let’s dive into this community master plan. Tell us what it’s about, kind of how the vision came to be implementation, and, of course, get to the money part of it. That’s what everybody wants to know.

Rudy Flores 12:47
Yeah. So we started in, let’s say, like around 2013 or 14, seeing a lot of interest in developers coming into the community, and we had one specific street the city came into and did a streetscape, meaning they came in and redid, all the sidewalks did decorative plantings, like the brick crosswalks and stuff like that. And the in that street that they redid had a lot of just parking lots or, like, old industrial buildings that weren’t really being utilized anymore and stuff like that. And all of a sudden, developers started coming in, buying these properties, started building and multi unit homes were ground floor, some commercial and upper floors being either condos or apartments. And I noticed, like the residents of the area, like complaining. You go to these public meetings and everybody’s super angry and and everyone seen, I’d go to these as the as the chamber director, and and listen. And one thing I noticed was that people kept feeling like they weren’t being heard, they weren’t part of the process, and saying there’s no plan. And I, coming from an urban planning background, I spent my bachelor’s and my master’s programs in community planning. I was like, we need to look at not just individual properties, the way they’re developing and having public meetings talking about it, but let’s look at our entire community holistically. Bring people together to weigh in on what’s the direction they want to see growth happen, or maybe not see growth, and also letting everybody have a say, because I feel like most people that go to the in person public meetings are typically the angry ones, exactly the NIMBYs. And there are NIMBYs. And if you don’t know what NIMBY is, it’s not in my backyard and NIMBYs, yes, in my backyard, yes. And so, and there needs to be a balance, right? You can’t make everybody happy. So there needs to be a give and take. And so we were like, what can the chamber do? Because. Is backing up a little bit. Our community, starting in 2000 started to see a decline in population, and it’s a fairly affluent community now. It was originally the German area of Chicago, and over time, it’s just it’s changed into just being a mix of different people. But what was happening was our public schools, our district was getting better, so we had families moving in, and they were taking, we call them flats. They’re homes that are like each level is a different apartment, basically, so two flat or three flat, and converting them to single family. So it wasn’t changing the look and feel of the community, but what was happening is we were losing the density. And what happens then is then the businesses have less customers, and so we’re like, we need denser housing. The Chamber doesn’t want to get involved in like, the residential area drama, that’s what I call it, but the arterials, which are our commercial corridors, that’s the chamber like, that’s like, you know, our our territory, doing air quotes here. And so we were like, how do we advocate for growth along those commercial corridors to have denser housing so younger people can move in, or maybe, you know, individuals or couples that don’t have children, that are probably going to go out more and spend more money and still keep the fabric of those residential areas the way they are. So we have, basically, in the chambers, the umbrella organization of a we have a business improvement district, a taxing district that focuses on like public way, esthetics, cleaning and greening, holiday decorations. Can do some marketing programming. We do street pull banners and things like that, things like Main Street organizations do, and I know some communities have business improvement districts, so we call them special service areas here in Chicago, so that has its own board called a commission. So both the board of the chamber and that board of that taxing district both agreed to kind of partner together to put some funds together to do this community plan. And one of our goals was like, we really want it to not just be about pretty pictures of like, this is what we want things to look like. Because I tend to think that when people create these, like, elaborate plans, that just they look beautiful and they sit on a bookshelf and don’t go anywhere. We wanted data. That was the biggest piece. We still had pretty pictures, but we really wanted to have the data of what the community wanted, and so what we did was a lot of surveys and public meetings and and built this interactive website because we wanted to meet the residents and and employee employees who come into the community and people just visit. We wanted everybody to have a say and be able to give their thoughts and opinions on the way that they felt most comfortable doing. And so with the website, the way we developed, it was almost like a Pinterest, if you’ve been on Pinterest before, where you could post ideas, pictures, comments, whatever, about what you would like to see, and then people could add to it, or they could actually rank it, and if you got more likes and stuff that posted to go higher up on that that page. So that’s one way of getting people’s thoughts and opinions. We also had a map where you could place things on a map, if you, if your brain works that way, where you like to see a map, you’re like, oh, this intersection is difficult to cross that or, Oh, this would be a great place for a park or whatnot. You could post things on a map, and then we would have digital surveys. People would fill those out, and then we would make sure that all these ways that we’re trying and then go, sorry, and then go back to, like, the public meetings. We also hosted public meetings so you could weigh in on that as well. What we did was, though, ensured that we were marketing this, not just through a newsletter, but also through different social media channels. We’ve, as an organization, currently have over 40,000 followers between Facebook and Instagram. We’ve always had a really strong marketing presence, and so we really utilized those tools, so newsletters and social media and some media as well. We we have a PR firm, so we do some to our like our local online paper, we do some TV, media and stuff like that to publicize what we’re doing. So trying to make sure that we were being thoughtful and looking and creating a plan on how to get the buy in. And so through the whole process, the three or four surveys we did, we’d have like, 2000 entries for each one, wow, and, and we always make sure we do it where it’s multiple choice, right? Because most people don’t want to write, you know, anything. But we’d also always put like the other or a comment box, and we would get. 1000s of comments. It was, it was incredible to see, because I’ve done surveys so many times, but people were so invested in the project that we just got all this really great data. And so it really, it was. It really created a really great plan. And then the reason it really took off after that was because our elected officials saw the engagement that we were getting, and they were like, Oh, wow, this is my constituents. Like, right? That are weighing in. And they’re like, All right, well, this is what we’re we’re seeing and hearing because of the chamber. What can we do to actually start implementing these pieces?

Brandon Burton 20:43
Yeah. And I can see that being replicated in chamber of any size, really. If you start developing a vision, start, you know, doing the surveys, getting the feedback. I like the idea of the Pinterest type website, the maps, the surveys, compiling all the data, but, but that’s a key factor right there, is having the the elected officials seeing, hey, something’s going on here, and I need to be involved. And let’s see if we can make some of this stuff happen. It’s a

Rudy Flores 21:13
it also, it also, though the community too was really exciting because, again, there’s those original meetings with those developers coming in and developing projects without really

Brandon Burton 21:22
having the feedback coming in. Like, do we want this or not? Right, exactly. So people

Rudy Flores 21:27
were like, Oh my gosh, I have an outlet that I can finally have a voice. And it started to make people understand the chamber more, start to sign up for our information, and we now became, like, a bigger leader in our community. And then our politicians were like, oh, I need to start working with the chamber board. That’s

Brandon Burton 21:50
right, that’s awesome. So how did this start gaining traction? Once the elected officials say, hey, we need to be involved more. Let’s see how we can make some of this stuff happen. How did, how did things actually develop in, you know, seeing the ball move forward. Yeah. So,

Rudy Flores 22:07
you know, our area is split with different council members and our state rep and our state senator and stuff like that. And so everybody obviously wants a piece of the pie, and they want their piece to be first, and so that was the tricky part. So what we did? So we adopted the plan in 2019 it took a little over a year to do the plan, and we decided to do the plans, a big, overarching plan, right? It’s not something that’s super detailed about any one thing. It comes, you know, just talking about all different pieces with some recommendations on what are the things you probably should start first? So what we did was those recommendations started to do like these bite sized studies each year afterwards, and balanced it between our two council members, because that’s who we work with the closest so we’re two we’re calling wards here in Chicago. So we have the 47th Ward and the 40th ward. And we did two different studies, one in 2020 in our 40th Ward and one in 2021 in our 47th ward. And that was a way for us to work with both offices so they both know they’re getting a piece of the pie and seeing how we can do a deeper study in these in two different projects. The first project was an underutilized block of a street that, over time, had been rerouted so it was just like an empty street of nothing. And we did this a temporary Plaza during the COVID years to see, would this space eventually be able to be turned into a park, like a city park, and it worked pretty well, and that, working with the council member, was able to secure, I think, like, $12 million not just for the plaza itself, but to redo the entire commercial corridor in the section of this area which was kind of a blighted part of our of our community. And then the following year, we did a deeper dive study around our transit station, which was is in the center of our central business district for our community, to re look at an under utilized Plaza and a parking lot that we use for our farmers market and some festivals occur there about how can we make the parking lot that look like a parking lot? So be for parking when it’s not being used for some activation, but then if it’s being used for the farmers market or festival, it doesn’t feel like you’re standing in a parking lot. So what’s going to happen is it’s going to be pavement converted into like brick pavers and stuff like that, and then the plaza that’s next to it that’s very under utilized is going to be incorporated into it. So it all feels like this, like nice little landscaped area. And so both of those studies happen year after year, much cheaper than the big project that we were doing originally, but came from that, um. And then that those two little projects, both of our council members took that information and then started to look for funding sources, through public dollars that could help implement them, so we would not have been able to fund the actual construction and the construction for the first projects occurring right now. Hopefully we’re wrapping up this spring, and the other one is starting this spring and will hopefully be finished within a year.

Brandon Burton 25:25
Okay, that’s awesome, but I like seeing that, the vision that gets caught, and then, you know, seeing that the ideas spread. So the idea of this being a so you get these, these big improvement projects right as part of the master plan, and there’s big expense that comes along with that. Like you said, you know, elected officials are going after the funding, looking for that, but we’ve also talked about this being income generating for the chamber. So how does that play into the overall master plan? Well,

Rudy Flores 26:02
there’s a couple, a couple of things. So the Some people ask, what does this have to do with a business organization? Right where in enhancing the public way? Well, the public way, you know, the prettier it is, the more likely consumers are going to come and support the businesses along that. And so the current businesses started. The ones that were part of members already knew what we’re trying to do. The ones that weren’t, oh, seeing that the chamber is really trying to invest in their area to ensure that they’re going to see growth of, you know, foot traffic and stuff like that. And then we also started to see, like, developers looking at now properties we have, I think, like 400 plus units now being built within this, this confined area because of the plan, because they know that all of this investment, public investments, coming. But we started having people like, message us, like businesses message us, and we’re like, Hey, I saw the work you’re doing. How do I get involved in this. Like, it just started to build a conversation, because we just became more noticeable. Like, it wasn’t just about the events that we do. If you’re not brick and mortar retail restaurant, you might not want to do some of our public facing events. It wasn’t about the networking. It was just this, this change that’s happening, I think, in the chamber world in the last couple of decades, where it’s not just about networking, because you can network in so many ways. It’s just another component to showing what a business organization is doing to try to create more business for businesses,

Brandon Burton 27:36
right? So it’s very organic. The revenue generating is organic, and these businesses seeing the value, wanting to be a part of the chamber, wanting to support, wanting to just be engaged more fully. So have you, I know construction, you’ve got two sides of the coin, right? It’s very positive. It’s exciting to see new growth, new development, and then you’ve got the headache of dealing with the reality of this road’s closed for some time, or I can’t go the way I normally would go, or access to my business might be altered a little bit. Yep. So are you hearing any of that feedback yet? Is, how do you how do you deal with that through I, I’m I’m in Texas, and we get we’ve got a lot of growth here and and we see that with construction, where, especially, you know, access to businesses, and it’s an opportunity where a chamber can step up and help provide some solutions, right? But what obstacles are you seeing coming up, and how do you go about helping to resolve those obstacles.

Rudy Flores 28:41
Yeah, so the research we had done before the construction started, we knew that usually, when there’s the construction happening on the street that you’re located on your your sales might dip by 25% you know, at minimum, sometimes. And yeah, because just getting to the business or finding parking or just being able to walk down the sidewalk becomes difficult. You know, we learned that the hard way, like having to communicate better, like more often trying to meet people where they need to find their the communication, like the one of the first projects I we could have done better, getting the word out about what’s what to anticipate, and so learning from the mistakes of like, maybe not. We didn’t walk door to door handing out flyers. Right now, we have the contractors on the construction team, like working with our local government, having them go and ensure that they’re handing out individual flyers. We’re already emailing and stuff like that, but we all know we get a bazillion emails, and if you’re a small business, you’re wearing so many hats, you’re going to miss a lot. So that was one thing. We also started to do weekly contract meetings. So the chamber attends it with the contractors, our government official offices, somebody also attends it, but it’s open to the public. So. So if a business has a concern about maybe, you know, they’re getting deliveries or stuff like that, they can join that call. Or if they have any grapes, you know, they can just make sure that the team that’s doing the construction and can hear it. The construction started to become phased instead of just doing a whole street at one time, like three blocks at a time, only on one side of the street, so you’re not just disrupting everybody and everything. Started to look at the way that logistics of each project were being done. So you know, we had to learn the hard way. But at the main takeaway is, there’s never too much communication, and I think it’s our role to ensure that we communicate the way that people want to receive the information. It’s not always about what’s easiest for us. It’s about how to get that message out there and then being able to show like I did a printed delivery, I did a email, I did a phone call, or whatever you can do, because then it really shows you care. And those little things, I think that’s what makes chambers really unique and special, and I think that’s what makes the businesses happier. And then they want to be a part of you and continue being a part of

Brandon Burton 31:15
you. Yeah, I think sometimes we’re afraid to try to reach out one more time or one other way, because we don’t want to over Burton, the recipient, right? The Chamber members, yes, and when it’s going to directly affect their business. I think if you feel that prompting, if you feel like maybe I need to call too, or I need to, you know, do a personal flyer, whatever it is, I’d say follow that gut instinct, yeah,

Rudy Flores 31:40
because it’s not us asking for money. Like, they probably, that’s what they’re not looking at your sales like, Hey, can you sponsor this or whatnot? This is like, hey, I want to ensure that you’re ready to anticipate any, you know, things that might put a pause and in your business, or, you know, in consumer spending,

Brandon Burton 31:56
yeah, well, it definitely seems like an exciting time you guys got a lot going on, great vision and and lots of opportunity. I like to ask for, for those listening, who are, you know, wanting to take their chamber up to the next level? What kind of tip or action item might you suggest to them and trying to accomplish that goal? So

Rudy Flores 32:19
the big thing for us is, was the the money that needed to be utilized right to do this project. And so, you know, having a reserve is extremely important. If you know you’re around around 2008 in the recession, hopefully your chamber started to make sure they were having a reserve after that issue, especially through 2020 Yeah, right, right. If you didn’t have a reserve, I know some chambers that you know, closed because of it. So we’re lucky that we, you know, have learned over the course of decades and had a large reserve, and so we had started to budget, to put money aside for this project. The way that we’re doing that is through our festivals, so communicating to the public that when you’re coming to our festival and donating money, because we asked for donations at our entrances, that money we’re saying is going towards these kind of projects. So being very transparent about where the money is going, I think the community then really, like, starts to notice and understand and they want to support you. So that’s been that was our biggest thing. So I just budgeting is extremely important, and really ensuring that you’re trying to raise money. I think that, from my perspective, a lot of chambers tend to be afraid to charge for what they’re doing. But we do great work, and we don’t work for free, and so we are a business at the end of the day, and so really looking at, how do you generate money, not only to grow but also to do bigger projects. And then if you can tell the story of why you’re increasing your fees or asking for donations because of what you the projects you want to do, I think that goes a long way.

Brandon Burton 33:58
So with those business and community improvements going on, and you incorporate that into these events, and saying that these the money, the funds that are donated here, help to support that. Are you seeing an increase of people participating with those donations? Has the needle moved with that, or as far as how that’s being communicated and then and reciprocated on the back end?

Rudy Flores 34:19
Great question from our local community, yes, but as we were becoming more well known, so like the event I mentioned that happens in the fall Apple fest, we went from 50,000 people in 2023 to 70,000 in 2024 we did not see an increase in our gate donations for that event, it stayed the same. So our thoughts are our community that’s been coming take care is hanging, yeah, but now we’re pulling from a much wider audience that’s not going to have the connection to our community. They’re coming for the event and not not for like I want to make sure that this community is strong. Yeah, and so we now need to relook at our messaging and stuff. And how do you communicate that when everyone’s trying just to walk into the event, how do you market like, why this event is more than just getting a slice of apple buyer or buying a bushel of apples?

Brandon Burton 35:14
That is really good feedback, though. It’s good information to know that it’s being supported locally. You know, the community locally understands and that messaging is getting to them. And I can see somebody coming from out of town like, Hey, I don’t live here. What do I care? Right? I just exactly so, yeah, now that is interesting. Well, I like asking everyone that I have on the show, as we look to the future of chambers, how do you see the future of chambers and their purpose going forward.

Rudy Flores 35:43
You know, I think that you it has to be very mission focused. The younger generation, we know is not joining our organizations like the older generation. And I think part of that is because, not because they don’t want to be a part of something, is that they want to do something that’s like ensuring It’s more meaningful to what their beliefs are. And so I really believe it’s us having to really stand behind what our organization stands for, communicating that and showing that value. So it isn’t about the events like it was. I just the events of getting together and meeting somebody. There’s so many ways of meeting other people. It has you have to have a purpose that people feel emotional about. And so I think that that is one of the things. And I think economic development, I think that, you know, government is pulled so thin, and we seem to expect government to do everything, and in this example we’re talking about today, we took the initiative to do the plan ourselves, because we knew that our local government didn’t have the capacity to do it like they’re doing projects in our downtown and not in our neighborhoods, which is fine, like our downtown needs it, but we wanted to ensure that we were in control of our own destiny and our own community. And I think that that’s a direction that a lot of chambers can go, and I don’t think they need to do it alone. You can partner with somebody, because these can get costly. So finding another nonprofit organization that has shared values that you can bring, you know, resources together to do these kind of things, or do little, you know, small little studies that grow into a bigger one. There’s, there’s so many different ways you can do

Brandon Burton 37:27
it. Yeah, I like that. Being mission focused and communicating with that mission is clearly so people understand that the cause, the purpose, like, what is it you’re getting behind? And it’s still, it drives me crazy to this day when somebody will ask me, What does the Chamber of Commerce do?

Rudy Flores 37:44
Same here? Well, where do

Brandon Burton 37:47
we start, and which chamber are you talking about, right? Well, Rudy, this is great. And I think there’s you know, things that can be scaled too for other communities to be able to look at what you guys are doing here, and creating that vision and that sense of community, and driving that forward as to what the community wants things to look like and to be able to take some initiative on that. I wanted to give you an opportunity to share any contact information for listeners who may want to reach out and learn more about your approach or how you guys are doing things there. What would be the best way for someone to reach out and connect with you? Yeah,

Rudy Flores 38:22
well, first you can go to our website. It’s LincolnSquare.org on the far right drop down menu as our SSA. That’s our taxing district that shows the master plan and everything we’ve spoken about today is broken down into pieces and actually the entire process of how we did it. So that’s there publicly available. My name is Rudy, r, u, d, y, you can email me at rudy@lincolnsquare.org. Happy to chat. This is I nerd out into this kind of stuff. So happy to talk about it, or just contact us at the contact box on our on our website, and that’ll get to me.

Brandon Burton 38:58
That’s perfect. Well, we’ll get that in our show notes for this episode too, and make it easy to find you. But Rudy, I appreciate you taking time to be with us today on Chamber Chat Podcast and sharing some of these successes and vision that you guys have, and the really how you guys are moving the needle and seeing the the improvement of your community. It’s it’s fantastic.

So thank you so much. Yeah, thanks for having me.


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Our guest for this episode is Joe Aldaz. Joe is the President and CEO of the Colorado Springs Hispanic Chamber and Education Foundation. He is a seasoned nonprofit leader with over 20 years of experience, he has revitalized the chamber, achieving national recognition for its growth, membership retention and impactful events. Joe is a passionate advocate for diversity and leadership development, founding the adelante Leadership Institute to empower marginalized communities. His as his efforts have created opportunities for bipoc business owners and fostered strategic partnerships at all levels, a sought after speaker and consultant. Joe’s expertise spans nonprofit management, small business ecosystems and veteran services, but Joe, I’m excited to have you with us today here on chamber chat podcast. I’d love to give you an opportunity to say hello to all the chamber champions who are out there listening, and to share something interesting about yourself, so we can all get to know you a little better.

Joe Aldaz 2:13
Sure. Well, you know, thank you for this great opportunity to kind of share our story about our chamber journey here in Colorado Springs, but something maybe not a lot of people don’t know about me is I have a journey into thoroughbred horse racing. So I am a micro share owner in a program called my race horse so it gives you the opportunity to to experience being a owner and watching thoroughbreds race across the country, so I’ve kind of dabbled in that with my son over the past few years, and it’s just fun being able to have very small shares, act like an owner and watch one of your horses win a great race. So that’s something a lot of people don’t know about me, but coming from New Mexico, a lot of horse racing there in the state of New Mexico, I kind of grew up around it and had the opportunity to experience it as An owner, beginning in 1995 but then stepped away from that and had the opportunity again, about five years ago, to purchase some shares in a stable of horses, very small percentage, but it’s just fun having that great experience to watch Your horse coming down the home stretch, and it’s a, it’s wins a race. Yeah,

Brandon Burton 4:04
no, that is interesting. I’m actually, I’m in North Texas, and so we’ve got a lot of, a lot of horse ranches, a lot of horse breeding that goes on around here and and a lot of these race horses come out of, you know, not, not too far from where I am, but that that is neat. It’s a something I don’t know a whole lot about, but I admire it is something very fascinating. Well, if you could tell us a little bit about the Colorado Springs Hispanic Chamber, just to give us an idea of the size of chamber, scope of work, staff, budget just kind of set the stage for our conversation today.

Joe Aldaz 4:45
Well, the Colorado Springs Hispanic Chamber was originally incorporated in 1988 and they had a pretty impactful run up until about the early 2000s and obviously has a small identity. City chamber where you were your your revenue is based on memberships and sponsorships of event. It’s very hard to sustain that unless you have an effective staff in place. So ironically, in 2006 I was in between jobs from the defense sector being retired Air Force, somehow they found me, and they asked me to come on board, to be their sole staff member as their executive and to rebuild the membership in the chamber and professionalize their board of directors. So not knowing a whole lot about chambers, I took on that role for a little over a year, grew their membership that had dwindled from probably close to 400 to less than 100 and built it to back over 200 in a year, uh, began to develop some programming and structure for the organization, but then had an opportunity to Move on to the USO and and serve in a position there. So I was far removed from chamber operations from beginning in 2007 but in 2009 the Hispanic Chamber closed its doors based on not having funding and able to continue operations. Four community members in 2016 reestablished and reincorporated the chamber as the Colorado Springs Hispanic Business Council. And they reached out to me in 2018 to come on their board that evolved to becoming their board chair in 2000 in the June of 2018 I volunteered to serve out that board chair’s term, but that turned into almost a two years as a volunteer board chair. At the time, I had a full time role in veteran trainings, facilitating and training veterans for Syracuse University in a program called onward to opportunity. So that was my full time job, as I was the volunteer board chair. But when I took on this role, we had 22 members in June of 2018 $6,000 in our account. And to make a long story short, I retired from Syracuse in March of 2023, and the board made me, asked me to be their full time executive. And since that time, in June of 2018 we’ve evolved to over 350 members, over $200,000 in assets, and we continue to grow. We have a very robust event schedule and programming. And believe it or not, when you mentioned about our staff, I am the staff for the Hispanic Chamber. Wow, all things that we accomplish are the support of our board of directors and myself, making sure that we deliver the high caliber programming, high caliber events to our community and our Hispanic Chamber members.

Brandon Burton 8:15
So that is very impressive. Great job. Sounds like they got the right man in the seat there. So keep it up. Man that that blows my mind to go from 22 members when you come in to over 350 now. So as I, as I reached out to you, and we were setting this up, we talked about, kind of focusing the discussion today on overall chamber passion. And you know, this kind of, these kind of results don’t happen without passion. So I’m excited to dive in deeper on this passion and kind of what drives you with this as soon as I get back from this quick break,

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Joe Aldaz 12:09
I know the my passion kind of is centered around trying to create a lot of opportunity for Hispanic owned and multicultural businesses in our community. This is the fastest growing entrepreneurial market in the country. If you look at the just the the economic power the Latino population has in the United States, it’s 3.6 trillion GDP, which is the fifth largest in the world, resident in our country. So the indirect and direct impacts of that are, there’s going to be entrepreneurs that are going to be starting a business, because that’s opportunity to grow generational wealth, which the Latino culture continues to try to build in the United States. So that drives my passion, and I just want to be of service to those businesses, to help our community grow and continue to build that small business ecosystem here. Yeah,

Brandon Burton 13:19
I mean, you really are in a position to see lives change for sure. You know creating that, the generational ability to be able to create a place, tell us a little bit more about some of the programming, the the approaches you take, what how is the chamber stepping into this role that that really can be so impactful for these individuals and their families. Well,

Joe Aldaz 13:47
you know, we we provide, as an example, one of the programs we provide, and it’s a free service we have, what’s called the avanzar business accelerator program, that is a digital platform that we created through one of our board of directors who has been in the startup business space for several years. And what that allows us to do, and we are providing that as a free service to all startups and entrepreneurs in the Colorado Springs community. It’s a 24/7 digital platform. Entrepreneurs can register and go in and gain training in a lot of different topics, from building your financial plan, building your business plan, identifying the right type of client for your market, develop financial projections, all of those things that impact growing a business. And we’ve made that free for all entrepreneurs in our community. And as we grow, we believe that we’re going to reach and touch 1000s of entrepreneurs here in COVID. Colorado Springs. So that’s a unique program that we have that no other Chamber of Commerce here in El Paso County has here in Colorado Springs. Another unique program that we have is the adelante leadership institute that is a 10 month fellowship program through Education Foundation, and we’re developing a pipeline of emerging Latino and Latina talent to become more civically engaged and begin service on nonprofit boards and commissions in Colorado Springs to start to change that diversity of what boards look like in our community, since the Latino population is the fastest growing population here in Colorado Springs.

Brandon Burton 15:47
That’s that’s awesome, hey, and a great the business accelerator. I love that idea, and being able to have that as a free offering, a free resource to help these businesses really get their their business up and going. Definitely, I’m always fascinated being a Hispanic Chamber, aside from word of mouth, how do you how do you target people you’re trying to reach out to, versus a chamber that has a demographic, a, you know, more of a geographical footprint, you’ve got geographical but then also the subset,

Joe Aldaz 16:22
right? Well, I relied on having a very high caliber board of directors. Uh, Frank Sinclair, who’s on is one on our board. He is the, what we call the great connector and networker in our community. So he has a large network of organizations and businesses. He also has a show called The be encouraged show that he they host, pretty much on a daily basis, where they bring in small businesses to give them exposure and help them build and gain that that branding and access to our community. So I’ve used my board of directors networks. I’ve been in the community since 1999 and then the several different capacities, and I’ve leveraged that network as well, and kind of in essence, have called in a lot of favors. Hey, can you help us with our chamber and make a member investment or sponsor an event, and I get, I think my track record of the other positions I’ve been in, I think there’s some trust that has been built there and credibility to where they say, yes, we’ll we’ll make that investment. Perfect example of that is I met with a a colleague of mine who happens to be a 1983 Air Force Academy graduate. He was a classmate of mine in 1983 runs a major company here in Colorado Springs, and we met over coffee, and he said, You know, I want to help you. And he made a significant investment in our organization. So it’s those types of relationships has here in Colorado Springs and Frank, who’s on the call here at podcast as well. We’re very relationship driven community here. It’s not transactional. It’s, you know, having relationships like this, talking with people over coffee, meeting them and establishing that relationship, which I think the outcome directly is, if they see that it’s a valuable relationship, they’re going to make that investment in time or talent or their resources to help your organization. So that’s what I’ve really been passionate about is being a chamber that is relationship driven. If you go to our website to become a member, you have to click on partner. You don’t click on an icon that says member, because member, to me, is more of a transactional type word partner is we want you to invest in us and become a community investment partner, because we’re helping build community through business. So we’ve kind of changed that dynamic of membership to becoming a community investment partner with us, because you’re helping build the community through our your investment into our organization. So

Brandon Burton 19:23
when somebody goes through that process on the website and and instead of becoming a member, they become a partner. How long from the time that they sign up and they they say, Yes, I want to be a partner. I want to I want to join before they hear from you, to develop, start building that relationship. They’ll have for

Joe Aldaz 19:43
me pretty much immediately. You know, I will we, we send a welcome letter out to him, pretty much through our technology, and then I will reach out to them, to to to see if they will want to meet and ask questions we have. Believe what we call a member orientation sessions, where they can log in, and it’s a very free flowing discussion to answer any questions, whether you’re a new member or a current member, just to you know, to explore what their needs are, what their services are. But I have met with executives in the large companies here that are members, and I’ve met with those micro business owners over coffee that may have five employees to try to learn, you know, what their needs are on how they can, you know, help expand their market or grow their business, because every one of our members has different needs. Some of our members just want to come to our events and network. Others are trying to find business resources. Others are trying to figure out how they grow their business, to access more capital in order to enable it to grow so there’s a variety of needs that these different businesses have, and some of our major financial institutions and corporations that are invested in us as well?

Brandon Burton 21:03
Yeah, I was hoping that was going to be your answer, that they hear from me almost immediately. I’ve seen other chambers where the button says join. Click here to join, become a member, and it’s all about that transaction. They put in their credit card information, they get loaded into the database, and, boom, they’re a member, and then they may not hear, I mean, there might be an email sequence that they receive, but that personal communication they may not hear for months, and it very much is transactional. So going, you know, leaning into building these relationships and having it be, you know, something that ends up being really more of a transformational relationship. To be able to help these businesses thrive is so important. And I like how you mentioned every business they join for different reasons, they have their their reasoning for for being a part of it. And I think bottom line is they all want to see their business grow, right? That’s the That’s the common the common need. But it comes in different ways, whether it’s looking for funding or networking or those different opportunities, but being able to get to know these members and their needs helps you align them to you know those best fits and make those introductions to the people that that they need to meet to be able to thrive, right? Are there any other maybe unique approaches you take into building relationships with these partners?

Joe Aldaz 22:30
You know, one of the things that we established through our chamber is in late 2022 I reached out to all of the other local chambers here and asked them how their networking events were going, what the attendance was like. And they said, you know, we’re kind of getting the same people that come. They’re not really growing. So I threw out the idea of coming together and collaborating to host what we called quarterly business after our events. So we hosted our first, first one in March of 2023, and we had five chambers involved with it. And we called it the chambers of El Paso County Business after hours, every guest that comes registers through their own chamber. And we just had one chamber that kind of CO hosts to man the registration has members came in. And that initial one that we did in March of 2023, that we hosted, we had about 120 some guests. Since then, they have grown to a couple of our quarterly after hours to over 200 guests. Wow. That spirit of collaboration, of being, you know, trying to bring members from other chambers to connect with members of other chambers. I think it’s been a pretty great experience, because we’ve seen the the growth and at the same time. It’s a $10 investment. When we have a multiple of activities going on here in Colorado Springs, we found that if somebody’s going to invest their time, they’re seeing this event as an opportunity to be connected with several different organizations at one time. So that’s something that unique that we’ve done to try to build that relationship as well. We are very social type organization. If you come to our business luncheons, we have done a pivot on what a luncheon looks like. We bring in an inspirational speaker to speak to our audience, because we, I felt, feel that if they leave with a very inspiring, motivational message, they’re going to be a better business owner, and they’re just going to be a better individual in general, which I think will impact them as either a staff. Member of an organization, owner or an owner of a business. We’re having our last luncheon next Tuesday, and we’re bringing an Air Force Academy graduate and former MBA basketball player, Antoine hood, who led the Air Force Falcons in 2003 and 2004 to the Mountain West Conference Championship and the first appearance in the NCAA Tournament in I believe it was 42 years Wow, wow. He has a very great story on his journey trying to break into the NBA. And now he’s an entrepreneur that’s developed a very unique water bottle that you can use for your marketing, in your business and in sports venues. So you know, those are the types of individuals we bring in in June of 2023 we brought in an individual named Vince papale. His story was the Walt Disney movie, invincible, that Mark Wahlberg starred in. Yeah eagles, yeah about the Philadelphia Eagles. Great, great, great luncheon. People left just inspired. Everybody got his the book that he had just recently authored. So it’s that luncheon is very high energy. People establish relationships in there, and they look forward to coming back to the next quarterly luncheon. We don’t do a monthly lunch, and we do a quarterly luncheon just because of time and resources, but it’s now work become affected because they anticipate and look forward to the next one, because they know the types of speakers we bring in to leave those great and inspiring messages.

Brandon Burton 26:56
Yeah, so obviously, we’re on a podcast platform. I’m a big fan of podcasts, and I’ll, I’ll hear a lot of great, you know, motivational type people on podcasts. But there’s something different to being in the same room as giving a speech and and in the people that are there in attendance, they’re going to leave and tell other people, you know, I heard anvil hood talk about this, and you know, to be able to be there is going to generate more that word of mouth and the positive traction that you’re looking for. And I just I applaud you for getting these great speakers to come in and and be energizing and uplifting to those who are in attendance. That’s awesome. So you got your you’ve been innovative in your time there had just trying to make things work. You’d mentioned the quarterly networking, you know, the five chambers throughout the county. I’ve seen in some areas where some chambers may shy away from that regional collaboration when it comes to events like that, because they’ll get things, they’ll let things get in the way as to, like, who gets the money. You know when you register, you know if you’re hosting it, but you’re all registering your own chamber, like the logistics of it, trying to get everybody to agree on how that all works. What kind of structure do you guys use? How does it work to have black chambers work for you guys? We

Joe Aldaz 28:29
make it as simple as possible, so every individual registers through their own chamber, and they keep that revenue. And we ask that one chamber kind of hosts, it, select the venue, work with a venue to hopefully make complimentary appetizers. Usually it’s at a place that there is a cash bar that they can have a drink. And it’s worked pretty effectively, because it’s not really, we’re not really trying to make huge dollars. We’re using it as people connecting and networking. There’s no programming in the event, you know, initially there was thoughts, Well, should we have an educational session before the networking? And I said, this is a Thursday evening, and people are trying to decompress from the end of the week. They just want to come and enjoy themselves. The only remarks are made is the executive from the participating chambers make some brief remarks about some upcoming events, welcoming all the guests here, and that’s it, and it’s just socializing and networking. So as far as the lift and the logistics, everybody’s been very agreeable, and they can make a little bit of extra money through their their chamber for their members, and that COVID, that host chamber, just does all the logistics with the venue and appetizers and things of that nature. So there hasn’t been really any pushback. And, matter of fact, there’s been some other chambers when we initially started, how do we get involved and participate as well? The Philippine American Chamber of southern Colorado just established over a year ago. They’re going to host one next year. Awesome. So so it continues to grow, and it’s just a great collaboration. You know, people enjoy being around a lot of different people that they may not be connected with if through their own chamber. Is

Brandon Burton 30:32
there any sponsors with these networking events? No,

Joe Aldaz 30:36
because, you know, it’s not. It’s not something that we’re looking to make a lot of money, because once you get sponsored, then you’re that’s where we say, well, how do we share that sponsor revenue amongst the five chambers that are actually participating in it? Yeah, we just make it a straight networking event with no sponsors, because every chamber has their events scheduled where they can gain that sponsorship revenue, so we’ve made it as simple as possible. Yeah,

Brandon Burton 31:04
I like that very good. Well, Joe, I like asking this question to everybody that I have on the show, and I think it means a little more coming from you, because as as chambers listening may have a desire to take their chamber up to the next level. I’d argue you’ve taken the Colorado Springs Hispanic Chamber up several levels. But what kind of tip or action item might you share for those listening who are trying to accomplish similar goals?

Joe Aldaz 31:38
I think that what I would want to leave other chambers with is think out of the box and try to be innovative in the approach that you take to chambers. And I think chambers need to be community minded as well, and not so focused just on business. Because I think if you’re trying to build community and be active in your community, in community events, or have what you would call a community event that indirectly is going to impact business throughout your community as well. Perfect example of that is we are now in the process and have launched a campaign through one of our board of directors that is in the Latino health equity world, called one school, one vaccine at a time. And what that is, is we are working with a school district here right now, in Colorado Springs, and looking to build it to other school districts. We want to make vaccines accessible to Latino, specifically Spanish speaking families, because many of these Latino families are business owners, but they cannot make the window of opportunities for vaccinations for their kids and their families during the times that school have those so what? So what our board member has created, and she’s been in this space for several years, is we are hosting vaccination clinics that are outside of those normal working hours on a Sunday morning, on a Saturday evening, to make sure that those organizations, those individuals have access, and our school district that we’re working with has been very flexible to that, and we’re working with the county and the state to continue to mobilize and grow that program. So that’s where we believe that we’re community minded, because those business owners, business can be impacted if they’re not, you know, vaccinated and are not being able to work and own a business because they’re sick and they haven’t been able to get those types of vaccinations, because it’s a family focused thing. If your child is getting vaccinated at these clinics, that family is more apt to get the vaccinations they need as well. So that’s just one example that that we we have fostered. The other thing that we foster is our major signature event is not an annual gala type dinner. We have transitioned, and we’ll be in our fifth year, we have an outdoor Latin culture event called La vida love. It’s a community focused event. You come in, it’s a ticketed event. You come in and sample small bites of cuisine. We have distilleries and breweries or small pores, and then we have live Latin bands performed throughout the evening. So it’s a it’s starting to be tagged here in Colorado Springs, as the premier summer business social in southern Colorado. We’ve grown it since our inception in 2021 from about 250 guests. We. We’re close to 700 guests this past summer that we did it. We do it on a Saturday evening at a country club that’s attached to a a resort called the shine Mountain Resort, and it’s just a great a great event. The only programming that we have there is we announce our Hispanic Business Award recipients. So they get some branding, because they’re out there receiving an award in front of almost 700 guests. And that’s a very community minded guest. I mean, we it’s we have our Hispanic business members come, but the community comes, and they, pretty much now are marking it on their calendar to say this is the summer event that we want to be at. That’s

Brandon Burton 35:43
awesome. I love that. I love that it’s outdoors. I mean that that brings its own issues, as far as planning and hoping weather works out and all that. But we’ve

Joe Aldaz 35:52
been lucky for the five years we have, we have not had any rain, and it’s the setting. Is a very intimate setting. We are on a golf course beach over a lake overlooking the mountains with a large stage for our performers. And it’s just, it’s just a really nice setting, and people enjoy it. They enjoy the samples of food, the distilleries that with provide the small pores of bourbon whiskey lagers, and people have fun. And as you know, with our culture, Latin culture, if you have food, drink and music, we will be there.

Brandon Burton 36:32
That’s right. And having it be outdoors is very inviting to the community as well. Nice setting, yeah, if it’s indoors in a big conference center the community doesn’t see it, and being outdoors, yeah, and here

Joe Aldaz 36:45
in our community, there’s a lot of non profits and there’s a lot of annual dinners. So we say, what can we do different, to be our signature fundraiser, but be more of an attractive and separate us from the rest of the group to say, Hey, this is a more of an inviting event that we’d like to come to. Yeah,

Brandon Burton 37:04
you guys made a great choice. I love it. Well, Joe, I like asking everybody I have on the show, as we look to the future of chambers of commerce, how do you see the future of chambers and their purpose going forward?

Joe Aldaz 37:16
I think chambers need to the model that chambers currently work under, as far as memberships and sponsorships and being event driven, I think it works to a point, but I think chambers need to become more innovative and figure out how to create other revenue streams to help their organization grow. We believe our avanzar business accelerator program is one of those types, because we have the opportunity to provide sponsors and corporate entities to be part of that training module that we have on the platform. So if a financial institution wants to say, hey, we would like to provide a training module on access to capital. Well, there’s an investment to have your brand on our platform to provide that training. So that’s an example of another revenue stream. And just trying to develop partnerships with some of our businesses, and we’re always looking to explore those. I know a lot of chambers have what they call affinity programs, where you can get member discount, but what we did a little bit differently this year, and we experimented with it. One of our members is a coffee company called model citizen coffee, and what they did is they developed a specialized coffee that we could promote and get 20% of the revenue, called Rico Suave, so people into members could go to our website, link up to the company, and it every one of those bags of coffee sold, we would get 20% of the revenue. One of our members has a ather Vida beer company. She has done the same thing. They have developed a special lager that they’re putting in a lot of different venues, and we are getting 20% of the revenue from that lager being sold, not large checks, but there are additional revenue that comes into our chamber, and it’s helping build that business members brand as well, because they’re showing that they are engaged and participating with the work that we’re doing and helping us grow as well.

Brandon Burton 39:39
Yeah, it’s a win, win. And those little checks add up. You get enough lines in the water like that, they add up. Well, Joe, this has been great. I can feel the passion you have. I can see the the impact that you guys have been making. And and it excites me to see the revitalization of the Colorado Springs Hispanic chamber. And. And the impact, the true life changing impact that’s being presented there. I wanted to give you an opportunity to share any contact information for listeners who may want to reach out and connect with you. Where would you point

Joe Aldaz 40:13
sure our website is CSHispanicChamber.com, my email contact is info@cshispanicchamber.com, and if people want to contact me directly via phone, it’s 719-231-5353, and I’d be happy to to speak with anyone on you know, if they have more questions on what they heard today, and just looking forward to hopefully having some ideas that have gone out here today for other chambers that you know across the country.

Brandon Burton 40:52
Yeah, definitely some things that can be implemented. So I appreciate you sharing these insights and your experience and enthusiasm and just overall passion for the work you’re doing and the impact that it’s making. So thank you for being with us today. I appreciate it.

Joe Aldaz 41:08
Appreciate it.

Brandon Burton 41:11
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Reinventing the Rubber Chicken Dinner with Michelle Epling

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Brandon Burton 0:00
This is the Chamber Chat Podcast, the show dedicated to chamber professionals to spark ideas and to get actionable tips and strategies to better serve your members and community.

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Michelle Epling 1:57
you so much for having me today. Brandon, it’s an honor to be on this podcast. And again, I’m Michelle Epling. I’m the president of the Madison Chamber of Commerce in Madison, Alabama, which is very close to Huntsville, Alabama, for those that aren’t familiar, and it’s been my honor to be the president of the Madison chamber for the last three years. Something interesting a lot of people don’t know about me. I’ll say there’s two things. One, I have nine year old twins. They’re identical twin girls, and their hobby is Irish dancing. So we actually go to Irish dance competitions, and they look like little river dancers. It’s really quite fun. And then a family to bit is we actually run a family pecan farm on the side. So we have Newberry pecans that has over 1500 pecan trees, the largest pecan orchard in North Alabama. So if you think your family is nuts, my family, little literally sells nuts, and so we have a great time doing that. That’s been in a family business for about 10 years now, and it continues to grow, and really helps keep me having the perspective of the struggles of what we go through as business owners, because we’re right there on the front line as a family, figuring it out step by step. So yeah,

Brandon Burton 3:12
definitely helpful in giving you that perspective. I’ll say so, I’m in Texas, and we don’t have pecan farms, but we have pecan farms, so I think they’re similar, but yeah,

Michelle Epling 3:23
absolutely, absolutely, we don’t say pecan here in Alabama. But yeah,

Brandon Burton 3:27
yeah. So I’m originally from California, so it’s pecan to me, but there’s a lot of pecan people here. So anyway, well, tell us a little bit more about the Madison chamber. Give us an idea of the size of the chamber, staff, scope of work, just things you guys are involved with to kind of set the stage for our discussion today.

Michelle Epling 3:48
Absolutely. So I started at the Madison chamber three years ago. This month, actually, in November, we had about 259 members. Three years ago, they had not done any major events coming out of COVID. That was November of 2021 and really came into a chamber where the business owners were not happy with the chamber. They didn’t like us. Most of the town didn’t even know we existed, and really just stepped in from day one and always focused on, how do we add value to our members, and by doing that, we have now grown to over 500 members. In the last three years, we’ve grown the budget more than tripled it. We’re right about under a half a million dollar budget as a chamber size, and we put on anywhere between 25 to 30 events a year, on top of about 50 to 60 ribbon cuttings and groundbreakings a year, just due to the exponential growth in the city of Madison, we’re the number one school district in the state of Alabama, number one city to live in the state of Alabama. And we just had, we just opened our Costco last week. Week. So that was super exciting. We’ve also opened a BJ is wholesale this year. So I like to say we run with scissors. You know, Mom always says, don’t run with scissors. We literally run with scissors each and every day. And the team works very hard behind the scenes just to keep up with the growth.

Brandon Burton 5:14
That’s great. Yeah, it I know there’s chambers out there listening that are always a little jealous, and they hear of a community that has that kind of exponential growth. I’m always curious, is there a certain industry or something happening specifically that’s driving that growth?

Michelle Epling 5:30
So we are about 15 minutes next to Huntsville, Alabama, which was named by the US World Reports last year as the number one city to live in the state of Alabama, we have a huge presence of Redstone Arsenal, the FBI, and so we also have a big diversity of businesses in our county, being in the Huntsville metro area. So we just are very fortunate in the community, really, truly believing in regionalism and coming together. You know, we always say a win for Huntsville, a win for Muscle Shoals, a win for Scottsboro or any other surrounding city or Athens, Alabama, is a win for the whole region. And we truly all work together as chamber professionals to share that regionalism and work towards that regionalism together.

Brandon Burton 6:20
Yeah, that’s fantastic. I like the the regional approach, because it does make everybody better and and raises all the ships as that tide rises. So it does, it’s good. And hopefully the the community is starting to to recognize that the Chamber exists, that the Madison chamber is there. So keep, keep making those positive impacts. But for our focus, for our conversation today, we’re going to, we’ve titled this episode reinventing the rubber chicken dinner. And I think we can all relate. We’ve all been to these chamber dinners that were luncheons or whatever it may be, and the the chamber chicken, right? So we’re gonna take a fresh approach to reinventing this and see the approach that Michelle’s and her chamber has taken as soon as they get back from this quick break.

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All right, Michelle, we’re back, as I mentioned before the break, we’re reinventing the rubber chicken dinner today, so that should get everybody excited. We can toss that that old menu, and it’s not just the menu, right? So talk to us about talk to us about how you’ve approached this, this reinvention of what a traditional chamber dinner is

Michelle Epling 10:47
absolutely well, I we have a saying in our office if me and the team does not want to be at the event, why are we putting on this event? Alright, so I think that also goes down to what you eat at the event as well. And you know, making the events in such a way that, does it have to be a plated serve chicken dinner? Is there a different way we can go about doing a state of the city that is still fun and interesting, and, you know, bridges the community together, but doesn’t have to just be in round tables. And so three years ago, when I started, our city had just built a brand new minor league baseball stadium called the Rocket City trash pandas. And yeah, they’re they’re really cool. They have the guy, the little mascot, is out of a trash can, looking like a rocket. I mean, everybody wears trash pan and merchandise. And so within our city limits of the city of Madison, we actually don’t have a venue space that can seat 500 people and round tables of eight like it physically does not exist. We would have to go to Huntsville or Athens outside our city limits. And so with my mayor’s encouragement, he said, Let’s re look at how we did the state of the city before COVID. You know, you’re the new chamber president. We have this beautiful new stadium. How can we reinvent this dinner? And so we actually, in partnership with the Rocket City trash pandas, open the gates of Toyota field. We give out 500 free hot dog Soda and Ice Cream, and we invite the entire community to come to our state of the city. We line the concourse with a business showcase that’s super popular, and we do a community state of the city on the field of our minor league baseball team. So it doesn’t have to be a rubber chicken dinner for it to be an official state of the city. And I think we’ve proven that. We just did our third annual State of the City this past year. It was super successful. Our members love it. The community loves coming out to it. You know, we’re going to even have a mayor showcase and city council showcase next year, where they’re going to be on the concourse, meeting the constituents. And so it’s just a fun way to highlight our community. We give out a Military Family of the Year Award during that presentation, the mayor shows videos. Really just a neat way to reinvent that rubber chicken dinner. And then, you know, thinking of the rubber chicken dinner, we also had our annual gala Monday night. And, you know, at a gala, you give out the membership awards. We gave out Business Person of the Year, and then you give out young professional of the year. And this is the first time in our 31 year history, we’ve actually done an annual membership meeting that was a formal event that was cocktail, long dresses, and, you know, giving out award after award after award. I mean, it’s the same, right? It’s someone’s getting an award on stage. And I went to the team and I said, you know, I saw this thing a few years ago. This influencer did in Nashville, and she had these Santa elves come out, and they carried a basket during the middle of one of her events, and everybody got a free whatever it is. I wonder if our business community could get behind this. So I made a few phone calls to our local downtown restaurant that’s iconic, that’s in the Old City Jail, that serves like the meat and three I called out back. I called Chicken Salad Chick and some local retailers. And between the rubber chicken dinner, the team came out, and I had one on the podium for me and my chairman of the board. And we put on a blue because our logo is blue. Santa hat. Played Christmas music, and we distributed what we call Madison favorite things, and everybody loved it. So again, as you were planning these rubber chicken dinners, we serve steak. By the way, don’t serve chicken service. Pay the extra money. People want to eat the steak. Don’t serve the chicken. And. And make it fun. Do you want to be there? Would you want to sit through this entire program? And if your team’s answer is no, what are you doing to add value to your members at that event? And that’s what we look at with every single thing we do at the chamber. I love that

Brandon Burton 15:18
man. I love the reinvention, thinking outside the box, these approaches that really drive engagement. I mean, the thought comes to me the business showcase and the concourse of the baseball field. Now, if you just did your typical annual you know, state of the city in a conference hall, you’re not going to necessarily have the space to do business showcase, but Right? You’re supporting the businesses, giving them that space, or interacting with people in the community. They’re there. I mean, just the whole idea of it is much more effective, much more in line. I would even argue with what a chamber is and should be focused on.

Michelle Epling 15:57
And we even find some of those sponsorship levels to nonprofits. So we will say to someone that’s willing to give us X amount of money. Look, you could either have two tables on the concourse, or you can donate them to two nonprofits, and they love that. Yeah, how are you adding value to those sponsors, with the money they’re investing in your chamber, what’s important to them and to those sponsors, it’s those nonprofits and those causes that they give a lot of time and money to. How can you then turn that sponsorship and giving it back to that member as well, and not just taking money from them for you to put on an event? I

Brandon Burton 16:39
love that, so help us. I think you’ve done a good job with the setup, with the state of the city, and at the baseball stadium, just being able to see and visualizing the displays of businesses in the concourse get people seated with their hot dogs and ice cream. And normally in that setting, we’re waiting for that first pitch to be thrown out. So is there a stage set up on the field, or are you utilizing the big screen? That’s how what? What’s that look like? We

Michelle Epling 17:10
do have a podium on the field. They have a huge jumbotron at the baseball stadium that we use, and then they have the announcer, just like you’d be like, coming on home plate is so and so, I don’t baseball, whatever. And he announces, you know, please direct your attention to the field. In five minutes, we’ll be starting our program. And then at the time, he will say, please direct your attention. We always start with the tripping of the colors, because that always gets everyone’s attention, and that gets everyone to quiet down. And then after the tripping of the colors we have, we incorporate our schools and they sing the national anthem. That also gets everybody to kind of get in their seat and settle down. And so that kind of starts the program itself

Brandon Burton 17:56
gets butts in seats too. When you involve the schools and parents, they’re going to come and watch their kids sing, and that’s awesome, absolutely.

Michelle Epling 18:04
And then I would say another thing we do that’s kind of unique to our chamber is because we did not have an a venue that could host, like a business, or what we call it best in Business Awards. Three years ago, we ended up having to host it at the high school? Well, no one told me, Brandon that. I guess I never got in trouble in high school. I didn’t know you couldn’t serve alcohol in an auditorium at a high school, and it’s against a federal law, even if the superintendent is nobody tells me this Brandon Okay, and so I’m talking to the superintendent, and I’m talking to him about, okay, we’ll have our cocktail reception out here with the bar. And he’s like, Michelle, you’re legally not allowed to do that. And I’m like, Well, what do you mean? I’m not allowed to do that? And he was like, Well, you’re not allowed to serve alcohol in my auditorium. You can still host your best in Business Awards, but there will be no alcohol served during this entire night. And so we had a bank come forward at the time and said, Michelle, let’s host an after party at one of the local restaurants and bars. I’m good friends with this restaurant. We will sponsor it. We’ll invite all the nominees. We’ll give out drink tickets and serve some like desserts. But then, because I have both insurance licenses, from an insurance standpoint, I’m like, it’s really not a good idea to let these hungry people leave an award show and go straight to drinking alcohol. That just seemed like a liability. Brandon, so we got with a local restaurant, and they made a charcuterie cup, like to go. So think of like a charcuterie platter, and they in a cup, and my ambassadors handed them out as people were walking out the door, headed to the barn, I made a joke on the stage and said, enjoy your Madison car snacks on the way to the after party. Well, then a few months later, we were recognizing one of our elected officials, was our former Speaker of the House, who is. Now our chairman of the county commission. We threw a welcome back party for him. We found out what his favorite snacks were, put them in a little lunch bag, gave them out to all those attendees. Called him a Madison car snack. So much so that that’s now a sponsorship item in my sponsorship guide, and it has been requested thing I had another chamber, the Athens chamber. President Monday morning at 7am said, Do we have Madison car snacks at your annual gala tonight? That’s all I want to know again. How can you create these little traditions within your chamber that makes everyone feel part of it, but then it lets the celebration continue, even if it’s just for the car ride home, to continue adding value to that event. And so Madison car snacks, you ask any of our members, they can tell you exactly what it is, what a great idea as a sponsorship, and everyone wants it. And so again, how are you reinventing that rubber chicken dinner is what we look at every day.

Brandon Burton 21:04
Yeah, man, that is, I love that. I love how it wasn’t necessarily a plan to have your Madison car snacks, but it came out of a, maybe an oversight, we’ll say, you know, and necessity and and then that kind of evolves to be in the thing people look forward to. And you know, kind of rolls off your tongue. You’re you want your car snacks, right? You gotta.

Michelle Epling 21:26
Can we put the members logo on it, and we have an actual logo that says Madison car. And the snacks is, like, crunched out of it. I can email it to you and show you, and we put them in little clear bags, or little lunch bags we buy at Party City, and then I get up on the stage of whatever event it is and say, Brandon, the CEO of chamber, chat, podcast, favorite snacks or Milano cookies and skinny pop and join them on your ride home. And everybody loves it. You know, it’s just such a fun way to again, how are we adding value in what we’re doing at these events. Yeah,

Brandon Burton 22:02
that’s fantastic. And I’m glad you learned about the no alcohol on the campus before the event. I mean, it is, it’s zero tolerance. I don’t know what would

Michelle Epling 22:14
that is not allowed so several weeks before we put that event on, and thankfully, we have members that stepped in to help solve that problem. So so now we always do also have an after party at one of our local bars. So when we do best in business, we partner with the local bar and we have the after party again. How are you making this fun? And also don’t give speeches. That’s the other thing we do the award shows. We do not do any speeches on that stage

Brandon Burton 22:44
that’s much appreciated by everybody there that your

Michelle Epling 22:47
great aunt Nancy inspired you to start the business. What we do instead is we have announcer that has, like the deep announcer voice, and he gets he’s there right next to my marketing director, and he will say, now please welcome to the stage. Brandon, who has started this podcast X number of years ago and has won so many awards and and really highlights that person in a much more professional way than people can. Sometimes, if they’re shocked, get up and say in front of the microphone. So we gave out 11 awards Monday night, plus recognizing our elected officials and all that, gave an annual report for about seven to 10 minutes in in in less than an hour, according to our mayor, from start to finish. Yeah, that’s good, adding value. You know,

Brandon Burton 23:37
I like the announcer telling about the business as they’re walking up, because otherwise you get applause, and by the time you’re at the fourth, fifth person, everybody’s like, Hey, we’re tired of clapping the whole walk up. So being able to utilize that time in an effective way and cut down in other areas is super helpful. Well, I love this. I love the energy. I love the outside the box thinking, the creativity is is wonderful as we shift gears a little bit. I wanted to ask you, on behalf of chambers listening, who are looking to take their chamber up to the next level, what kind of tip or action item might you share with them to try to accomplish that goal?

Michelle Epling 24:17
Yeah, something one of my consultants taught me, um, two things really is one, and I said it several times, how are you adding value to your members? You know, what are you doing that’s setting yourself apart from all the other noise, whether it’s the newsletter or the E blast, um, how are you adding value? And then the second one is, never make it hard for people to give you money. So Veronica cram is one of my consultants that helps our chamber with insight, strategic solutions. And she always says to me, Michelle, do not make it hard for people to give you money. And so I can’t tell you the number of times, especially, you know, when I started, it was me and one other full time employee if I got an email from. Somebody, and they said, Michelle, I’m trying to pay an invoice. I would stop what I was doing right then and there and get that payment immediately. And again, that drives the bottom line. And I’m a big believer that if you solve the income problem, all the other problems are a lot easier to fix. Yes, don’t make it hard for people to give you money.

Brandon Burton 25:22
Those two points of how are you adding value to your members, but also not making it hard for people to give you money, are great lessons for business owners to think about and implement as well. So there may be, there may be more there that can be taught and be you own programming there in its own to remove some barriers from people giving your members money, and for your members to learn how to add value to their customers every transaction. Absolutely. Michelle, as we look to the future of chambers of commerce, how do you see the future of chambers and their purpose going forward.

Michelle Epling 26:03
You know, I really see Chambers as being the convener. You know, when you think of a chamber, we are really in a unique position that can convene all the groups around the table as truly a neutral, unbiased third party. And so one of the things we’ve done at our chamber three years ago is we had the downtown businesses, we had rotary we had the Madison Street Festival. We had all these different the school system. We had all these different entities all doing great things in our community. But then sometimes their events would overlap, sometimes they would get upset that so and so’s doing something, and so and so is doing something. And we created the one Madison meeting, and we put the mayor with the chief of fire and police and all the festivals and all the organizations that really do those community events in our town, the trash panda baseball stadium people. And we meet once a quarter, and every organization gets five minutes to give an update on what their organization is doing. And the the amount of cross collaboration that has happened because we convened them together is immeasurable. I mean, the amount of initiatives that have come out of that meeting, and I think we need to continue to find ways to convene people together, whether it’s convening them in person, or being the convener on social media, on Instagram and Facebook, and being the one at the event going live, talking about what’s happening in and around your community. You know we really have a unique voice in being that neutral, unbiased third party to really share the good news. And so we call it celebrate Madison for our state of the city event, and we truly believe in celebrating our community. And I think chambers really could really make a big impact if they continue to find ways to celebrate their community, because you can go to any community and go to the what’s happening in ABC towns Facebook page, and you would think that city is on fire, and it’s the worst city in existence. How are you being louder on social media and in the groups you can lean around the table to celebrate your city. And I think that’s where chambers really have the future, is celebrating the communities they serve. And I think sometimes we forget that we have a unique opportunity to do that.

Brandon Burton 28:34
Yeah, I love that. When you It talked about Facebook and the, you know, saying it was on fire, I was thinking the other way, you have people talking about all the good things, but it’s really those communities online, online tend to be trash talking, right? Just really negative. So to be able to turn that and put it on its head and celebrate what your community has to offer and the good things going on, and build upon that there’s so much value there so but Michelle, I wanted to give you an opportunity to share any contact information for listeners who may want to reach out and connect with you and learn more about Madison, car snacks or anything else. What would be the best way for them to reach out and connect sure

Michelle Epling 29:18
they can email me at Michelle, at Madison Al, like Alabama, chamber.com, and I would be happy to have a conversation with them.

Brandon Burton 29:29
That’s perfect. We’ll get that in our show notes to make it nice and easy to find. But Michelle, this has been a fun conversation, energizing. Should give people some ideas of some new approaches that they can take to their annual banquets or awards night, or any other, I’m gonna say, old fashioned, traditional chamber event, right? Let’s, let’s reimagine some of these things and bring some new light life to them. Thank you for sharing your example and experiences and. Know, and building the excitement for the listeners to be able to bring that back home for themselves. No

Michelle Epling 30:06
problem, we love celebrating Madison and thank you for having me on the podcast today. I appreciate it.

Brandon Burton 30:12
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Fox Cities Chamber-2024 Chamber of the Year Finalist with Becky Bartoszek

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You’re joining us for a special episode in our 2024 ACCE Chamber of the Year Finalist Series and our guests for this episode is Becky Bartoszek. Becky is the President and CEO of the Fox Cities Chamber in Wisconsin and having relocated to Wisconsin in 1998. And Becky’s previous experience included vice president of the Great Lakes for Alltel wireless market leader for the q ti group, and small business owner of a State Farm Agency. Becky currently serves on the ACCE board of directors. The new North board of directors, Wisconsin Chamber of Commerce executives is the current chair WMC board of directors and is currently appointed by Governor eavers to his Advisory Council on Workforce Investment, Becky and her husband Brian, or freedom residents, and they have the two of them together have two adult children as well. But Becky, I’m excited to have you with us today on Chamber Chat Podcast. And I need to start by saying a big congratulations to you and your team for being selected as a chamber to their chamber of the year finalists. This is exciting and, and reflective of the great work you guys are doing but wanted to give you a chance to say hello to all the chamber champions who are out there listening and to share something interesting about yourself so we can all get to know you a little better.

Becky Bartoszek 2:31
Well, thank you so much brand new appreciate being here today. And yeah, it is really, really exciting for our team to be able to celebrate being nominated as a finalist on our 100 and 50th year anniversary or ever chamber. So we’ve been able to do some really cool things bringing in past board members and you know, doing time capsules and everything this year, it’s been just a blast. So thank you for the you know, the background information. It’s I think people are always interested or find it interesting that my I actually grew up living in a convention center. So the chamber, our local Chamber of Commerce, would have events almost weekly at my house. So that was quite the preparation for getting into the chamber industry. Ultimately, when it was just kind of a normal everyday thing, the way that I had grown up. It’s quite

Brandon Burton 3:26
the training ground. I mean, most people enter the chamber world and they didn’t even know what a chamber was. And they started but you grew up with literally it all around it. So that’s absolutely, yeah, that’s cool. I think that’s a first for us on the shows having somebody that grew up in the in chamber. Yeah.

Becky Bartoszek 3:43
So next time when somebody’s clearing your plates at the dinner. I think that could be a future chamber.

Brandon Burton 3:49
Exactly. That’s right. That’s right. Well, and tell us a little bit about the Fox Cities Chamber just to kind of give us some perspective, the size here chamber staff budget scope of work, just to set the table for our discussion before we dive into the meat of this topic.

Becky Bartoszek 4:06
Oh, sure. Absolutely. The Fox Cities Chamber is hard to find on a map because the largest community in our in our region is Appleton, Wisconsin. So think of it this way. We are south of Green Bay and north of Milwaukee, Wisconsin. We serve two and a half counties. So we’re pretty good size, footprint. And we are not only the chamber, but we are the regional eto as well. We are current even though we’re the fourth largest community in the chamber, we are the second largest chamber as far as member count. We are over 1400 On our way to 1500 members currently, and we have a staff of 12 that most times 13 right now because I’m an intern, right revenues a little under 2 million about 1.8. And we just continue to grow and grow. In addition to our our traditional Chamber members. yours. We also have about 700 young professionals that have membership with us as well.

Brandon Burton 5:04
That’s awesome. So that’s in addition to the 1400. Members, that’s a different type of membership within the organization. That’s great. I know there’s I’ve heard of other chambers out there that are trying to get young professionals or even high school students involved with the Chamber in some degree, and trying to figure out a model for that. So that’s that’s

Becky Bartoszek 5:25
worked well, for us. We went from 140 to 700 in a year.

Brandon Burton 5:29
Yeah, I would say something worked. Yeah. That’s awesome. Well, on these chamber the year finalist series, I like spending the bulk of our conversation really diving into and discussing the two programs synopsis that were included on your chamber, the year application, and we will, we’ll take a quick break and when we get back we’ll dive in deep on what those two programs are and how they’re moving the needle in your community.

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Alright, Becky, we’re back. So as I as I mentioned before the break, we’re gonna dive into the the two programs that were submitted on your chamber the your application, if you would just tell us what the what the first program is that you’d like to highlight. And we’ll we’ll dive into that one. So

Becky Bartoszek 7:55
everybody’s always intrigued by our Connect free model. And that is a program that we started exploring in February of 2022. Basically, we brought in Sherry And Kelly from ACCE to do some strategic planning with our board of directors. And there was a great discussion about how we could come together as a community and specifically a chamber and really move the needle with the resources that we have, in our community, our biggest challenges, we just don’t have enough people for the growth that we’re experiencing. So in the state of Wisconsin, in general, if you remove international immigration, we’ve been net negative population growth for a while now not specifically in our market, but overall is it state. So we were trying to find a way that we could attract more people to want to come and live work and play and the Fox Cities Wisconsin area. Now we know that people can get a job anywhere now. And it’s really people decide where they want to live. And then they find a job. So it’s truly quality of life driving it. And we know that is driven by the small business environment. Nobody’s saying, Boy, I want to find the biggest Best Buy. And that’s where I’m gonna move. They want that fun restaurant shopping, kitschy experience. So we came up with a program that we launched six months later, which is called Kinect free. And it is a completely free membership for small businesses that have five or less full time employees, nonprofits that have 10 or less full time employees and all freestanding restaurants. So for example, if you’re a restaurant in a casino, it’s not free. But if you’re a freestanding restaurant, we just have a great robust package that we can provide you to help you get to the next level and to help track people attract people to our community.

Brandon Burton 9:55
So yeah, tell us tell us more how that model works. Oh, obviously, we can’t all work for free as nice as that would be able to do that. How does it operate? A? Are they you see them and participate in different programs and events that do have a cost to it? Or do they move on to a different membership tier? Or what how do you how do you make it work.

Becky Bartoszek 10:19
So that was our biggest challenge. And of course, I was I was very nervous going into this. So we had the first discussion with the board. And the first thing they asked us is, model this financially model it and see if we can make it work. So we spent three months modeling it, and the way that the financials work on this free membership model, from a chamber perspective, now you’re getting more members, you’re touching more people, so your marketing is worth a lot more. So that helped us to be able to recoup revenue, because we were able to sell our marketing at a higher value. In addition to that, you have more people that are invited to your events. So your membership revenue goes down, but your event revenue makes it up. And the only thing that’s not included in our free membership model are things like we don’t do free ribbon cuttings for now for free members. So they have to pay us for that. If they want to use our building or our meeting rooms, they have to pay us if they want to have discounted health insurance through us, that’s an additional add on fee. So there a lot of little ala carte functions that they all want to receive or benefits they want to receive that are an additional fee. So there’s a lot of reasons why somebody would want to get up to the paid level. Now, when we modelled this, we did anticipate number 150 year old organization, we did anticipate a lot of net negative, you know, revenue from migration to a free model. We anticipated on the on the higher end, it can be 80 to $100,000, right away in the first year. And what we’ve actually experienced over a two year period, we’ve only had less than $12,000 in revenue from people dropping down to the free model. And we’ve also seen a lot of our larger investors come forward and say I’m going to give you a larger economic development contribution to help pay for those free members. So it’s worked out quite well.

Brandon Burton 12:28
Yeah. Have you guys made any asks to any of those larger corporations to like that for the economic development? donations? Absolutely.

Becky Bartoszek 12:37
So we did see those contributions go up. And we didn’t know how it was gonna go. First of all, when we when we launched it, we were we were concerned about that. So we did spend another three months, making sure that we can market it correctly. So during that time, we actually did a full rebrand, and launched a new website, because we really, the the biggest challenge with a free membership model is it can’t be a big lift on your team. It has to be something that’s mostly automated. So we did spend about three months, you know, we did probably three years worth of work in six months to launch this. And I can tell you, we had a huge splash for the launch of this event where we actually invited the press in, we invited the politicians in the board, community leaders major investors, and made this big announcement. And we were the lead story on all of the local TV channels that night. And we had boy, probably about 100 Plus applications within the first few days. So that

Brandon Burton 13:42
was my next question. So the business still has to fill out an application. They’re not just getting a membership because they have a business in the Fox Cities area. So so they fill it out is is there any kind of approval process? Or do they fill it out? And then the remember or what you like you mentioned that the automation process, it has to be there. So it’s not too much of a load on your staff? Where Where does the staff interaction take place? What parts are automated, just to kind of give us an idea of how this works? Well,

Becky Bartoszek 14:15
the one thing that we did learn pretty quickly. Yeah, they fill out the application, and then it has to be approved. And the first thing that we were worried about was we were worried about upsetting the chambers around us. And so we were really trying to monitor that you had to be in our footprint to qualify for that membership. That was a crazy lift on our team because you know, we cover half a county here and you know, cities are split in half. So it took us not too long to figure out. We’ll just go and meet with the Chamber’s and talk to them about how to sell around us. And so we we actually did move away from monitoring that everything was in our footprint because it wasn’t a huge to impact but it was taken a lot of time. And then, you know, we are currently transitioning software systems so that more of our marketing touches, as follow ups, you know, 3060 90 days outreach can just be automated. But you know, of course, our ambassadors and our team, you know, we’re reaching out to everybody as quick as they could, especially when the first big group came in, I can tell you, the program has been launched by I think, about 22 months right now. And we have 632 small businesses that we’re supporting today that we weren’t in the past. Wow.

Brandon Burton 15:39
And I love that approach. Instead of we have 632, free membership level, free members, it’s 632 businesses, you’re able to support that you weren’t prior to this model. And that’s huge, because those are often the businesses that need the most support. And they’re underserved and, and end up being the ones that kind of go by the wayside and, and maybe don’t stay in business as long as they would have hoped so. And the cool

Becky Bartoszek 16:07
part, too, is that we’re finding partners in our community that want to do more with us. So for example, the YMCA came to us and said, We love your small business program, we’re going to put together a discounted package for you, so that we can work on the health of our small business owners. And then we had an insurance company that came to us and said, We see this as a great opportunity, we’re gonna offer discounted insurance for your members. So there’s, there’s been a lot of the community that stepped forward and says, We love what you’re doing. How can we help? Yeah,

Brandon Burton 16:41
yeah, I love that. So let’s shift gears a little bit into the second program, if you want to introduce that and tell us what it’s all about. Sure.

Becky Bartoszek 16:52
Our largest program that we hold each event that we have each year is a huge Oktoberfest event. So it’s actually two days. So on Friday night, we have a huge car show. And that car show is completely dry event. But it brings in about 100,000 people on Friday night. Wow. And then on Saturday is really the big event that we have. And that is a full blown Oktoberfest. But it’s not a lot of Oktoberfest bands. It’s not your traditional Oktoberfest with the German bands. We actually have really popular kind of pop pop bands fans

Brandon Burton 17:33
that people want to listen to. I’ll say it Yeah. And

Becky Bartoszek 17:39
we bring in it’s, it’s estimated between 200,200 20,000 People that day. And we started, the event actually starts at nine in the morning, with a big craft vendor business expo at one end. Then we have a ton of food trucks throughout the event. And then 13 hours of live music forum Friday night through Saturday. So

Brandon Burton 18:09
how long have you guys been doing the search? I guess first of all, is there a name branding it? Or is it just is it October fest is that just it’s

Becky Bartoszek 18:18
Appletons Oktoberfest so what we’ve actually talked about in our in our application for the award is focused on the past two years, because that program has Appletons Oktoberfest has been going on for 42 years now. And we were always involved, but it was always run by a community steering committee. And when ochman COVID hit, and you know the world shut down. Obviously, we didn’t want to be known as the super spreader events of the Midwest. So we didn’t have it the first year. And at the end of that first year, we lost most of our steering committee. And we also lost a lot of our volunteers. And to pull this event off the way that we have been doing it. It took about 1200 volunteers each year to make it happen. So come second year of the event, the world is starting to open up again. But our community was really scared about a surge. And we really didn’t want to put people in harm’s way. And some of our largest investors in our organization are our health care systems. And based on their input, there was a second year that we cancelled Oktoberfest. I mean, we planned it right down to the last minute. And we just could not make it happen because we didn’t have the volunteer population come out to do it well, and it would have been the 40th anniversary. So at that point, we took a step back and basically had to revamp the entire program. Now what’s is all about our Oktoberfest is it’s a gigantic give back to our community. So think of this as a street long or a mile long venue that’s just jam packed with people. And, you know, it’s free free admission, nobody pays to get in. But every food vendor that’s there has to have a sign in front of their location, saying which nonprofit they are sharing their revenues with. And then all of the money that is raised by beer sales, which we don’t tell people how much beer we sell that the proceeds from that go into a large grant fund, and those dollars go back into our community to support our nonprofits. And for many of our nonprofits, that’s their biggest fundraiser of the year. That

Brandon Burton 20:52
is huge. I love seeing chamber being able to sit to partner and support other nonprofits and their missions, and what a great way a big community driven event, and you’re gonna get the foot traffic, people are gonna buy food, they’re gonna buy beer, they’re going to do all the things, right. So being able to tie that in. And I imagine each vendor has the choice of which nonprofit they want to support. Do you provide a list to say, here’s our local nonprofits to choose from? Or can they go outside of a certain list of parameters? Or how is that structured?

Becky Bartoszek 21:28
No, it’s completely up to them. And if they come to us and say, Do you have somebody we can make a connection for them, but it’s really up to them to decide which nonprofit they want to support. So you know, we do we see everything from wrestling teams to the police department, you know, the police and fire departments are they’re, you know, challenging each other and, you know, chili cook offs, and everything else. But for us to be able to make this happen. And that’s really what our focus on the application was, we had to change some things, we had to bring really the bulk of the lift into the chamber directly to make this happened. And we bought a new software program where we were able to really get get our hands around the complete management of the of the process. In addition to that most of the food vendors historically that had been there were the nonprofits themselves setting up food booths. Well, we changed it so that it was food trucks and restaurants coming in to support those nonprofits and do revenue sharing. So our need for volunteers went from 1200, every year, to closer to 800. To have the same impact.

Brandon Burton 22:44
Oh, wow, that that helps. I mean, 800 is still a big number. But that’s that means 400 less, so that’s good. So you mentioned the software that you purchase, is that an event specific software? Or?

Becky Bartoszek 22:57
It is it is it helps us map out just about everything you can need on the mile that we’re putting together it, you know, historically, you know, the steering committee would have a spreadsheet and the first time we went through it afterwards, it said, you know, ice for Oktoberfest, okay, there’s ice for 200,000 200,000 people, you know, six bags or six trucks? It really, you know, helped us how was all of the information that we needed to know, to make sure no, no matter who we had on the team at the Chamber, that there was a footprint to follow. Yeah, and for years to come. So those are just a couple of the changes that we just really did a deep dive to help increase the efficiencies. Ya know, we even started doing surveys of people that were our food vendors, and getting net promoter scores on whether they would recommend that their peers and other people join the event. And that helped helped us fine tune a lot of the things that we were doing as well. Yeah,

Brandon Burton 24:00
that’s huge. Go get that feedback and be able to make those adjustments for year to year and really improve the overall program that the the event, that’s great. So each of the vendors who they register with you imagine they have to to be able to get everything in order and be able to have their spot and be able to, you know, tie it into whatever nonprofit and all that stuff. Exactly. It’s

Becky Bartoszek 24:26
quite a process. Because think about it this way it’s taking over our main street. So we have food vendors that we need to very carefully map this treat, so that we’re not putting a pizza vendor in front of a pizza restaurant, you know, and we do work with those local restaurants to give them the first opportunity to be on the street and to be able to capitalize on making the most revenue that day.

Brandon Burton 24:51
Yeah, so and I imagined whoever’s in front of, you know, whatever booth is in front of their business or restaurant, it’s still going to drive people in door ers into their shops, hopefully beyond to use the restroom. Right? Exactly. Spend some money, hopefully. So, exactly. Well, that sounds like an amazing event and being able to fine tune it and make improvements on it like you have that’s, it sounds like a fun one to to attend. So

Becky Bartoszek 25:21
well. And to tell you a little bit more about the economic impact. Now with the new software and partnerships that we’ve created, we’re finally able to figure out a little bit more about what the event is doing for our community. And working with our tourism, convention Bureau and state analytics, we’re able to get a better idea, but not completely. So this is a cash only event. So when we can track the actual dollars that are spent on credit cards, and the dollars that are spent on overnight stays, we’ve been able to find out how many people are coming to our community, where they’re coming from, and they’re coming from all over the Midwest for this. And we know before we even look at the cash input implications that this event is having, on average of $43.2 million impact on our economy.

Brandon Burton 26:14
Whoa, that is huge. That’s way more than I would have guessed it would have come nowhere close to that. Wow. So as we, as we start to wrap things up here, you guys are obviously moving the needle and making an impact in your community. And being a chamber the year finalist, you guys are kind of at the top of your game at this moment. And I wanted to ask for listeners who are interested in taking their chamber up to the next level, what kind of tip or action item or piece of advice you might share with them to try to accomplish that goal.

Becky Bartoszek 26:51
Well, you know, it’s funny, I was new to the chamber industry about five years ago. And I can tell you what, what worked for me and what worked for us. I actually did a deep dive into all the information I could find a both chambers of the year. So for example, when Ocala was the chamber of the year in our category, I stocked their website, I looked at everything they had. And I found that videos were really working well for them. And I thought, well, I don’t really have the resources to do that. And we talked about it as a team. And we actually went to the local TV station and said, Now, come on, your tagline is we are Green Bay, but you’re covering our market work with us. And it resulted in us for the past two years, having the opportunity to bring a guest onto a local show, and spotlights something going on in our community and having beautifully professionally done videos for zero cost. Yeah, yeah. None of that would have would have happened, had we not been looking at what the chamber of the years were doing. And it’s just given us great ideas to make them our own. Yeah,

Brandon Burton 28:03
but those news agencies are always looking for stories. They’re looking for content. And if you can provide bring a guest on and provide some valuable content to their viewership. Yeah. They cover your market, why wouldn’t they do that? So that’s great partnership and very budget friendly. So I like that I like Yeah. And Ocala is a great chamber, obviously being a chamber the like, they’re, they’re great. Kevin and his team, there are amazing. I like asking everyone I have on the show, as we look to the future of chambers of commerce, how do you see the future of chambers and their purpose going forward?

Becky Bartoszek 28:41
You know, it’s funny, because it’d be in our 100 and 50th anniversary this year, we always talk about our mission today. This is the same as it was 150 years ago. And it’s bringing our business community together to help those businesses thrive, but to create a better place in our community for people to want to live work and play, obviously. But you know, realistically, I think that that mission is going to continue, but we just need to continue to evolve. You know, when we’re looking at 2025. You know, we’re looking at cutting back awards programs, and launching AI opportunities for, you know, a summit and things like that. And it’s just constantly evolving, and really keeping an understanding of what’s impacting our businesses and our lives and making sure that we remain relevant. And I think as long as we can do that, now, we’re hopeful our chambers got at least another 150 years.

Brandon Burton 29:38
That’s right. That’s right. That’s great. Becky, I wanted to give you an opportunity to share any contact information for listeners who may want to reach out and learn more about how you guys are doing things there in the Fox Cities Chamber and more about the programs. You talked about what would be the best way for a listener to reach out and connect with you?

Becky Bartoszek 29:59
Absolutely. So Obviously all of our information is on our website FoxCitiesChamber.com. My contact information is on there as well. And you can always reach me at bbartoszek@foxcc.net.

Brandon Burton 30:12
Very good, and we’ll get that in our show notes for this episode as well. But, again, just big congratulations to you and your team for being selected as a finalist this year for chamber the year and I wish you guys the best of luck in Dallas.

Becky Bartoszek 30:27
Thank you so much, Brandon.

Brandon Burton 30:30
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Opelika Chamber-2024 Chamber of the Year Finalist with Ali Rauch

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You’re joining us for a special episode in our 2024 ACCE Chamber the Year Finalist Series. And our guests for this episode is Ali Rauch. Ali is the President and CEO of the Opelika Chamber of Commerce. And she was a recent guest back in episode 266. So not too long ago. So if you wanted to go back and listen to what we talked about back then she’s kind of a firecracker and has a lot of energy coming into the chamber. So she’s been in a Opelika for I guess about three and a half going on four years now. Yeah, four years, four years and in that time of have earned a five star accreditation through the US Chamber of Commerce and really making a big impact there in Opelika. Prior to her role at the Chamber, she served in a wide array of industry including software manufacturing, higher education, and most notably, franchising and food services where she served eight years as director of marketing for Chicken Salad Chick. I remember stumbling on that last time as well. But Allie, we’re excited to have you back with us today on Chamber Chat Podcast. I want to start by saying congratulations to you and your team for being selected as a chamber the year finalists what an accomplishment. But good and saying hello to everyone listening. And if you’ve got another interesting tidbit about yourself to share, we’d love to hear it.

Ali Rauch 2:39
Thank you. I don’t remember what I shared last time, which was funny. I should have listened back to remember but thank you for having us. We are so thrilled I remember setting like watching the West Alabama chamber who was you know, a major leader in our state and in the country, watching them win and I had this little inkling like, I’m a competitive person, but I was like, Man, I really want I want to do that Sunday, and I thought it was going to take like a really long time. Like and honestly, it just, you know, I went on a walk with one of my board members last night and he told me he’s like Alec No, you have just gotten into hyperdrive it’s not that it doesn’t take that long to do great things you’ve just somehow you know gotten your the right people around you and have been able to make a major impact very quickly so we’re thrilled we’re excited we’re grateful can’t wait for Dallas but yeah, I guess let’s see. Little known fact about me is I am also I’m a shareholder of the Green Bay Packers wait I heard that was

Brandon Burton 3:39
my last I was

Ali Rauch 3:40
discussing okay different one. I used to drag race cars I drag race to 1973 Camaro nice all throughout high school I’ve won a Wally which is a the official trophy of the National Hot Rod Association.

Brandon Burton 3:57
Awesome. I’ve got a six random string. Yeah, so we do the cruise together someday.

Ali Rauch 4:06
Okay, that sound that sounded just love

Brandon Burton 4:09
it. Love it. Yeah. Awesome. Good deal. Well tell us a little bit about the the Opa Locka chamber your team your wonderful team that with you to to make this achievement and just give us an idea of size staff Scope of Work budget just to set the stage. I’m

Ali Rauch 4:28
so open like it is a smaller, I would consider to be a rural community in Alabama. We’re in East Central Alabama and we are the sister city to Auburn, which is home of Auburn University. So we have that like super cool college town adjacency but up like it is a tip older sister that has a really special and unique downtown area. We have a massive number of entrepreneurs and businesses in the area. It’s a very prosperous area that tends to be Knock on wood be a little bit recession proof, because between the university and the hospital, and we’re very much on a transportation kind of hub that we tend to still continue to do well, and we’ve got a lot of growth happening in our community. We’re the third fastest growing city in the state of Alabama. So very, very proud of kind of our growth. But our chamber is, you know, we are the Opalite chamber. So we represent the city of Oberliga. However, because we are in a larger MSA area of about 170,000 people, through Alberto Blanca and the county, we have a lot of businesses who fall outside of that actual city of OPA Leica. And so we’re kind of, we’re kind of in this in between where yes, we have, we have a town of 33,000. But we’re serving a larger region as well. So we have about 1000 Members, we’re 13 shy of 1000 members right now. And we are very excited to break 1000 and stay broken, stay over that 1000 home. In 2024, we’re almost there. We’ve got a budget of under a million dollars, we have a team of currently a team of seven. And then of course, we utilize some interns for help as well. But we have a really great partnership with our city where we have a contract for services where we’re responsible for entrepreneurship, we’re responsible for kind of business development, we do not do economic development, we do not do tourism, we have great partners for that. So we really stay hyper focused on making sure our business community has what it needs. And we do that and stay focused on our mission of strengthen our community as the champion for business. Awesome.

Brandon Burton 6:42
Awesome. Yeah. So you guys are kind of in a weird, not weird, but it’s a interesting situation. I mean, you’re not just the typical, you know, hometown chamber, right. It’s kind of a quasi Regional Chamber as well. So and

Ali Rauch 6:57
we have a fellow chamber right across the street, across the street, but you know, seven miles up the road in our other sister city who’s just as large and doing the right thing. So it’s really interesting.

Brandon Burton 7:08
Yeah, that is cool. Well, on these chamber the year finalist episodes, I like to spend the majority of our time really diving into the the two programs that you submitted on your synopsis and the application for chamber the year and we’ll get much deeper into those details and what those programs are as soon as they get back from this quick break.

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All right, Ali we are back. So as I mentioned before the break we’re going to be diving into the two programs synopsis that were included on your chamber that your application I understand the first one has to do with food trucks or something like that. Yeah, dive into that and tell us what that program is about and the impact it’s made in the community.

Ali Rauch 10:09
Yeah, absolutely. A few years ago, it was actually in response to COVID. We had numerous restaurants closed in our historic downtown and our historic downtown. It’s beautiful. It’s, it’s very cool. We have a courthouse square, we’ve got a railroad tracks, and then we’ve got downtown merchants. And, you know, we had some businesses, specifically restaurants closed during COVID. And we are also home of the very first legal distillery for bourbon and vodka and everything in the state of Alabama, since prohibition is made right there in our downtown. And so we’ve got a distillery, we have two breweries, we’ve got a brew shop. So it’s a very eclectic, cool space. And people weren’t coming downtown, because they there were such few restaurants that they couldn’t get into them. They’re great, but they’re busy. And so they couldn’t get into those restaurants. And those brew shops and such were like, how can we get people downtown, we’re struggling. And so the idea came to maybe bring one food truck down. And then I thought, well, instead of just one want to, I don’t do anything small. So why don’t we do more and make it kind of like an event. And it started by almost by force, because our city ordinances do not allow food trucks in our downtown, that were a special event. So I had, I had to create a special event for the food trucks to get approved. But then on top of that, I had to go to our city council, there was a lot of advocacy efforts put into this because we had to convince the city council to allow us to create this event and bring these food trucks in. And it didn’t just stop with Okay, let us do it once we had to prove ourselves. So we came back every three months and reported on results and said, This is good for business, this is bringing people down. And so what we do is we bring about 20 to 25 food trucks to our downtown, we do not close all of the streets, because we’ve got a lot of street parking. And so it’s important that people can get down and be convenient. So we block off some parking spots, and we put the food trucks in place. And they’re right up against the sidewalk. So all that pedestrian traffic stays right there on the sidewalks next to the businesses. And it’s on the third Friday, every month from five to 9pm. We’ve got about 30 trucks down there. And we’re seeing an average of 3600 people every Friday night that come down for this, which is amazing. We have grown from having I think 11 Food Trucks registered to do business in OPA Leica to nearly 60. And so that’s sales tax revenue for our businesses. That’s, you know, permits for our city government. But then, of course, that also has driven membership for us. So we have a good number of food trucks who choose to be a member, you actually don’t have to be a member to be a part of food truck Friday. But you know, we charge a fee to every truck that participates. They’re required to be licensed and health department and pay their taxes and all of those things. And so it’s a really great partnership for us that has just built so much community for our for our citizens, we have, we have a very good community that’s about 5050 When it comes to African Americans and white people and and then we’ve got a growing Hispanic population. And I was always told that, you know, a lot of African Americans didn’t feel comfortable coming downtown, and it just didn’t feel like their place. And it could not be more different now, because of food truck Friday, it has been just life changing. Because again, a lot of the food trucks that we’re bringing, these are businesses, you aren’t ready, they maybe they don’t have their finances in order to have a brick and mortar store. But they can get themselves together for a food truck. And they’re traveling around. And so we also have, we have a ton of African American food truck owners, which then bring the African American citizens to come down and get that food. And it has just created this true melting pot that our community on future Fridays looks like our community in downtown and it’s just really special. That’s

Brandon Burton 14:27
awesome. I think it was just this past week, I had seen a meme if I remember right, I think it was put out by the 13 ways organization, you know, 13 ways. And it said something to the effect of show me a vital downtown and I’ll show you a vital community, right. So essentially, downtown is going to be a reflection of your community as a whole. So being able to put that focus on it, I see a huge value and I love being able to see that representation of your community in the downtown. You mentioned it started Did through the pandemic? And I’m sure restaurants shut downs and things like that. Are any of those restaurants? Did they go from a brick and mortar to a food truck? Do they still operate that way? Or how? What’s that dynamic look like today?

Ali Rauch 15:15
It has been so cool on to watch the growth. So we had, one of the ways that we really made this work was a few in the early days, we didn’t have that many food trucks. So we had some caterers that really wanted to grow. So we would let the caterers prepare their food in their Commissary Kitchen and then set up in the brewery. And then they would serve their plates from the brewery. And so we have had, let’s see, I think one caterer that became a food truck, we’ve had another caterer who now has one brick and mortar restaurant, she was just nominated for Business of the Year for our annual awards. She’s working on her second location. We’ve had trucks, we’ve had another truck that was just so popular, called last Latinas. They have now opened up their own Commissary Kitchen, for catering services and for takeout but are still operating their truck as well. So there’s been a lot of growth and success as a result of open like a having a hub for food trucks. And now it’s turned into brick and mortar and just expanded service in the area. That’s

Brandon Burton 16:21
awesome. So you had also mentioned you had to go back to city council, like every three months to state your case, and really show the evidence of why this works. What are some of those more compelling pieces that made them decide? Yeah, this is a good thing to have on a regular basis?

Ali Rauch 16:38
Well, you know, what we showed them is that when you’re when food trucks are parked, closest, like close to a restaurant, you might think, oh, that’s bad. We can’t do that, because it’s going to take business away from the restaurant. But what we were doing is that we were driving such an influx of people, the food trucks couldn’t handle the demand. So what we saw was that people would be hungry and decide, oh, I’m not waiting in that line. And they’d go into the restaurants. And so we provided photos of our restaurants being packed to the brim at seven o’clock on a Friday night. While there are still 1000s of people out and about downtown. So we proved that. I think there just was such a high number of people downtown, like the mayor would come out and get his Friday Night Dinner every Friday night. We had asked restaurants if they could provide reports if they were up or down. And the vast majority of them were up. Interestingly enough, the the restaurants who refused to have a truck anywhere near their restaurant, did not see success. They didn’t, they decided I don’t want to be a part of it. So we respected their wishes and kept the trucks farther away from them. And they’re the ones that aren’t experiencing that influx. My one of my biggest wins is there’s a brewery that was pretty against it. They didn’t like the idea. And so we respected them for the first couple of months. And then I went to them and I said, Will you just trust me? Will you let me try this for two months, let me close this street right in front of you. Let me put a truck right in front of your doors. And if you don’t see an increase, then we’ll go back. And now they’re our biggest advocate because their restaurants back or their breweries back doesn’t

Brandon Burton 18:29
say that, that seems like such a perfect match, you know, at the food truck so

Ali Rauch 18:34
well, they serve food. And so they serve pizza and pretzels. So they were like kind of standoffish about it. But again, now they’ve seen such an influx. And now we put this really great milkshake shake shop right in front of them. That’s beautiful. That’s, you know, got great LED lights on top. So it draws a crowd. It’s just like a, you know, a beacon of light to send them over.

Brandon Burton 18:56
I love it. That’s awesome. So our time goes quick in these chamber, the your interviews. So let’s let’s shift gears into the second program, if you want to introduce it. The second program was submitted on your application.

Ali Rauch 19:09
Yes, our second public. Our second program was the public policy program that we have put in place. And, you know, the world today has a lot of political fragmentation that we have to overcome. And it was really important for us to be that unified champion for public policy. And so we started by creating an issue focused public policy agenda to engage our public sector. We host candidate forums. We supported our school system by being the main voice and advocate for the five miltax referendum renewal. And then we also started distributing regular public policy newsletters to ensure our members understood that big picture impact of federal and state legislation on their actual business.

Brandon Burton 19:56
Awesome. I’m taking notes as you’re going you guys covered a lot of things lot of issues there from the candidate forums, the school district and the newsletters. Are you able to see like engagement with the newsletters as far as informing the community and any feedback you’re receiving as providing that information? You

Ali Rauch 20:13
know, funny enough, it’s quiet, always quiet and quiet is okay. Because

Brandon Burton 20:18
there’s something of buzzworthy right, then then everybody’s

Ali Rauch 20:23
quiet is okay, we’ve really taken that stance of trying to make sure that informing is the goal, we’re not taking opinion. And we’re not, you know, advocating one way or the other, we are simply informing and so our public policy emails, I think, have at least a 45%, open rates. And we do send them on a regular basis just throughout the year, we will send them no more often than once a month. But when our state is in session, for those two and a half months, we try and do it every other week, so that we’re updating people on Friday afternoons for what’s happened in the past week and or so. And so, it is, it’s a segment of our membership that’s interested, but they’re not really loud and vocal, but that’s okay. Our goal isn’t to create this movement, we’re simply trying to inform people and make them better educated. Right?

Brandon Burton 21:14
Yeah, I think in in so many communities across the country, there’s local newspapers or local radio that used to cover these things that now maybe they don’t have the bandwidth, they don’t have the reporters, some of them don’t exist anymore. And chambers perfect to fill that void to be able to keep the citizens informed of policies and things going on in the community and from the public policy arena. And it’s a it’s a perfect alignment. And I’m actually kind of surprised more chambers weren’t involved with it before there was that kind of need, where there was those local news outlets.

Ali Rauch 21:47
It’s kind of scary, you know, like, you don’t want to get involved. But at the end of the day, I think Sherry Ann has shared this in the past, there’s that I think it’s the Edelman barometer of trust. The community trust the business community more than they trust the government more than they trust the media. So why not us to be that communicating force. And so, you know, we do, we do a lot of intentional efforts. So we connect with our legislators through our leadership programs, we do a 20 under 40 leadership program where we bring our legislators into connect with them. We do our Lee County Young Leaders program for high school juniors, where we go to see them at the state capitol and visit with the governor and lieutenant governor. And so we’re doing all these little things that are getting just informational, just trying to create those relationships and connections. We also host our annual State of the City event, which is kind of like an inaugural address, but for our mayor, and that is a great way for him to celebrate what’s been happening at the city. It’s a way for us to really establish our foothold as the voice for business and our community on all things advocacy. And it’s really been, it’s been exciting to see us take that elevated approach. And there was nothing more prominent in that elevation than us leading the charge for the tax mill increase, or the tax mill renewal for our schools. We you know, we put out yard signs, and we did text messages and email reminders to people to vote, and we had a 92% voting approval rate for the tax bill. So like, Hey, it works.

Brandon Burton 23:24
That’s awesome. And I think I’ve shared it before but our, in our community, we had a recent bond being proposed for the school district and my wife works for the school district. So she had a little bit of insider knowledge as far as the conversations going on about the number of participants voters coming out to vote on this bond. And we’re talking obviously, millions of dollars for this bond. And there was such a tiny percentage of the community that is making big decisions for the entire community and, and committing the community and the school district to huge debt. I mean, it’s a it can be a good thing and good purpose and everything but when it’s such a small percentage of the overall community that participates, it’s so important for a chamber to take ownership of that to drive voter turnout and to just get the general public involved with sharing their voice and, and their values in the community. So kudos to you.

Ali Rauch 24:24
Thank you. And I will say I’m just going to pull out a little brag because I realized that 45% open rate was actually 57% which i Hey, wow.

Brandon Burton 24:35
That’s awesome. Yeah, and as far as email open rates go, that’s a that’s huge. Wow. That is awesome. So, as you know, recently being on the show, I like having my guests on the show talk about any tips or action items for listeners who are interested in taking their chamber up to the next level. especially as a chamber, the year finalist, you guys are kind of top of the game right now. So for those listening who would like to elevate their chamber, what kind of tip or advice would you offer for them?

Ali Rauch 25:12
I would say start small. You, you eat the elephant, one bite at a time. You know, it is not something where, you know, you go to sleep one day, you wake up the next day, and all of a sudden, you are this, you know, legendary public policy person on behalf of your community. It’s those little steps what our first step was to build a public policy agenda. We’ve never done that before we leaned on each other to do that. We connected with other communities that have done it before, to get a good baseline. We surveyed our membership, we built a partnership with other chambers in the area and said, Let’s do this together. So start small, what does that what’s that top priority and start there? And then we realized, okay, we need to do more. How do we update that our members on what’s happening every week in the legislation later, so then we started our newsletter. And then before we know it, we get asked to be the leading voice for the tax mail. And so it just kind of snowballs but start small, don’t be afraid to start small and it will grow and grow and grow as as you’re ready for it to grow.

Brandon Burton 26:16
I think great advice. I think the especially the point about partnering, partnering with other chambers, especially when a when you’re talking about public policy and advocacy efforts, work with other chambers work with your State Chamber, they provide so many great resources, that they’re doing a lot of the legwork and you’re able to pass along the information and and share it locally, right? Yes.

Ali Rauch 26:38
Well, that’s the important thing to note about our public policy newsletter, we are not writing anything from scratch in that newsletter, every single thing that we are sharing. It is it’s a press release from the governor’s office, it’s articles from the US chambers email or from ACCE easy now that it’s talking about specific policy that’s happening. We are simply copying, pasting it sort of shortening it for our format, from an informational prospective, and that’s it. And so you can absolutely do that. And they actually encourage it, which is really nice.

Brandon Burton 27:13
Yeah, yeah, it’s great having partnerships with these organizations that say, We’re doing this for you, please take this uses, your communities. They want you to do it. So. So the other question I like asking is, as we look to the future of chambers of commerce, how do you see the future of chambers and their purpose going forward?

Ali Rauch 27:35
I think you know, what I said last time still applies. I think we’re going to have an even bigger role and space to be those catalytic leaders for the future. How do we be I think, Sherry and says it, how do we continue to be the same center that makes sure that we are helping our business community in ways that matter? Let’s I think the future means that we’re not just going to do what we’ve always done. The the chambers that are going to be successful, that are going to make waves and do great work for many, many years to come. are the ones that are adapting and trying to do bigger things versus sticking to what has been traditionally considered what a chamber does.

Brandon Burton 28:16
Yeah, absolutely the same senators that it resonates very well. So especially in this crazy world,

Unknown Speaker 28:23
crazy world.

Brandon Burton 28:27
Well, Ali, I wanted to give you a chance again, to share any contact information for listeners who want to reach out and connect with you and maybe learn a little bit more about these programs that you guys are highlighting that are definitely making an impact in the open like a community what would be the best way for them to reach out and connect with you. You

Ali Rauch 28:43
can find us at OpelikaChamber.com or on any of the social channels at Opelika Chamber and we are of course you can find me as well my email addresses listed on the website and you can find me on LinkedIn and Ali Vice Rouch but I’m really excited, grateful and appreciative and looking forward to July

Brandon Burton 29:06
Yes, and I can I can say your your social media, your LinkedIn stuff you like eat, eat, drink, breathe everything chamber so great, great person to find you

Unknown Speaker 29:21
nothing halfway Brandon.

Brandon Burton 29:24
That’s right. We’ll get all of that in the show notes to make it easy for people to reach out and connect with you. But again, congratulations to you and your team. What an honor to be selected as a finalist and I wish you guys the best of luck in Dallas.

Ali Rauch 29:37
Thank you so much, Brandon.

Brandon Burton 29:40
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