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Introduction
Brandon Burton 0:00
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Guest Introduction
I’m excited for this episode today as it is one of those episodes where you will be introduced to some people and ideas that can definitely bring a lot of value to to your chamber and to your community. Today we have Stéphanie Vieilledent and Léa Puteaux , with us from the International Chamber of Commerce, and I am sure that I butchered both of their names, but I can let them correct me as well as we get through this, this recording here. But Stéphanie is the Head of Chamber Relations at the International Chamber of Commerce (ICC) headquartered in Paris, has been with ICC since 2006. First an assistant in the Events Department, she rose quickly through the ranks and has now spearheaded the organization of the past 6 editions of the World Chambers of Congress – which took place in Kuala Lumpur, Mexico, Doha, Torino, Sydney and most recently Rio de Janeiro. When she began her career, working as an Assistant for the Cannes Film Festival, she never quite thought she would end up working for what is commonly known as “the world’s largest business organization”, but she soon found that she greatly enjoyed the work of bringing people together in an atmosphere conducive to cooperation and problem solving. As if she didn’t already have enough to do, Ms. Vieilledent is also a wife, mother of three young children, and an accredited Yogi teacher.
Léa is the World Chambers Congress Project Manager at the International Chamber of Commerce (ICC), the world’s business organization. She is charged with managing ICC’s largest global event from A to Z, which includes building intellectual content for the program, selecting speakers, communications and marketing and more. Lea is also responsible for organizing the World Chambers Competition, which run in conjunction of the Congress, and liaises with transnational chambers. She has been working on organizing the World Chambers Congress for last three years. Before joining ICC, Lea had the opportunity to work at the French-Peruvian Chamber of Commerce in Lima, Peru, as well as at the commercial bureau of the French Embassy in Colombia, and Brazil. She speaks English, Spanish, Portuguese and French, and is a Latin dance lover, specifically salsa and bachata. For those of you who can’t see her on the Zoom, she just did a little dance move for us. But out I’d like to have you both say hello to all the chamber champions that are out there listening and share something interesting about yourselves. I’d love to get to know you both a little bit better. Léa, why don’t we start with you?
Something Interesting About Léa and Stéphanie
Léa Puteaux 4:07
Okay, well, I not only dance, but I also dive because I’m a scuba diver. And I could dive up to 40 meters. So I have visited a shipwreck at the bottom of the sea. And just so you know, my middle name is Oceana, which is a reference to the ocean.
Brandon Burton 4:25
Very nice. I I’d love to dive too. So maybe offline. I’ll have to find out where your favorite dive spot is. In France. Stephanie, how about yourself?
Stéphanie Vieilledent 4:38
Yeah, thank you, Brandon, and hello to all of the Chamber Champions. Well, as you you rightly mentioned, yes. I’m also a yoga teacher. And what I want to share actually with you today is I don’t really separate you know, my work at ACC and what I do as a yogi, I try to actually put my yoga practice into action every day at work, working with colleagues working with members, and working with partners as well. And I think that way, I really find the right balance, I think between, you know, this personal aspect of myself and also the professional side of myself. So yeah, that’s why I wanted to share with you,
Brandon Burton 5:24
I think that is neat to be able to inject the balance, like he said, and kind of bring in that proper flow into the workspace. So I think that’s great. Stephanie, why don’t you tell us a little bit more about the International Chamber of Commerce, I’m thinking specifically for a chamber listener who is not involved with the International Chamber, just to give them an idea of the kind of the size and scope and what you guys are all about. And then if you miss anything, Léa can kind of fill in some gaps.
About the International Chamber of Commerce
Yes, sure, Brandon. So actually, so we’re called the International Chamber of Commerce. But we are not a chamber of commerce per se. So that’s very important, because this is a usually sometimes they people think we are. So ICC is, in fact, a well, business organization. And we are here to enable business to secure peace, prosperity and opportunity for all. We are a nonprofit institution, with observer status at the United Nations. Just a little bit of history, because it’s really interesting how actually ICC, you know, was born. So ICC was funded in the aftermath of the First World War in Paris, when actually no world system or rules govern trade, investment, finance, or commercial relations. So without waiting for governments to fill the gap, ISIS is funders acted on their conviction that the private sector is best qualified to set global standards for business. And they call themselves the merchants of peace. So now, we are an institutional representative of more than 45 million companies in over 100 countries with a mission to make business work for everyone everyday everywhere. So through a unique mix of advocacy solutions and standard setting will promote international trade, responsible business conduct and a global approach to regulation. In addition to providing market leading dispute resolution services, our members include many of the world’s leading companies, but also SMEs, business associations, and of course, local chambers of commerce as well. So today, we’re still based in Paris. Our headquarters are located next to the Eiffel Tower. Actually, I can see the Eiffel Tower of my desk. And we are around 200 staff. And we also have offices in Geneva, in Brussels in Singapore, Abu Dhabi, Sao Paulo, Hong Kong and New York. And we also have a representations in 90 plus countries, we call them our national committees.
Stéphanie Vieilledent 5:58
Brandon Burton 8:25
That is very impressive, a great background and really give some perspective to kind of the founding and the work that you do. And Léa, do you have anything you’d like to add to what Stephanie shared? Yes, absolutely.
Léa Puteaux 8:38
So just before that, I wanted to share a fun fact, because I’m sure that some people of your audience, they might not know it, but the oldest Chamber of Commerce in the world is French. And that’s where we had our first world chambers Congress 22 years ago. And I think, Stephanie, please correct me if I’m wrong, but I think that the chamber is fine. over 400 years old, something like that.
Stéphanie Vieilledent 9:02
Yeah, that’s right. More than 400 years old.
Léa Puteaux 9:04
Yeah. Yeah. And what I wanted to share with you also, Brandon, is that we have within ICC body which is called the world chambers Federation. So it’s nice to see body dedicated to chambers worldwide. And really, it’s a unique formulating the network of local, regional, national, bilateral and transnational chambers and their business community. When I said transnational chambers, I mean, for example, ACC, but also a sham Junior Chamber International, or the Confederation of Asia Pacific Chamber of Commerce, the Association of Mediterranean Chamber of Commerce and Industry, really all those big transnational chambers, and our members. They really come from all continents sell all sizes, and include both public and private law chambers. We work very closely with Chambers from across the world from Colombia to Australia. Germany it Nigeria, really all of the countries. And so really the way we see it is that the washroom is Federation is the backbone of the worldwide gender community. And we provide a platform for German leaders to communicate and collaborate with each other. And so it’s also key to ICC in connecting SMEs sorry, IC to SMEs worldwide and promoting the important role SMEs play in the global economy.
Brandon Burton 10:27
Very good. That adds a lot more context. I appreciate that. So just a little side note, I recently had listened to a podcast that was talking about the history of the Olympics. And when the modern day Olympics were started, and kind of comparing that to when ICC was formed around the time of World War One, it wasn’t too far off that the modern day Olympics were formed as well. And just the, the struggles or the the hurdles, I guess, of trying to communicate on a global scale. And you think, you know, now we’ve got email and video calls and things like this, that really make things much easier telephones, and at the time, they were writing letters and sending them, you know, through the post and on ships, and it would take several months to get information and find out who could participate. So it’s amazing to see traditions like this that have been around for so long institutions that can be founded in time like that and carry on through today. So that’s very impressive. But our topic for our discussion today is going to be based on the world chambers Congress. And we’re going to take a quick break but as soon as we get back we’ll we’ll have you to dive into to tell us what the world chambers Congress is all about. And how that relates to the world that chambers Federation as well. But we’ll we’ll get into that as soon as we get back from this quick break.
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Topic-World Chambers Congress
All right we are back. As I teased before the break, We’re going to be talking about the World Chambers Congress which I know this year is going to be happening in Dubai. Léa, I know this is kind of right up in your field house of what you focus on. Let me hand the mic over to you. And have you share with us what the what the world chambers Congress is all about. And that connection with the world chamber Federation? Sure.
Léa Puteaux 13:41
So the world chambers Congress is ICC flagship events, ICC WTF flagship event, actually. So it’s the no BNL events, a three day event that brings together chamber and business heads as well as a representative for international organization and governments. And each year, we have a different co organizer. So this your co organizer is Dubai chamber. And the key features of the conference include the interactive and knowledge tech section, an area of networking opportunities, exciting social events. And last but not least, the world chambers competition. And this year, we are super excited to introduce a new feature called the work scenes, which we’re excited to share that with our delegates, that maybe Stephanie can say a few more words about the history of the Congress.
Brandon Burton 14:31
Yeah,
Stéphanie Vieilledent 14:32
yes, sure. It seems that I’m the one oh is talking about history. So yes, well, you know, the Congress starting in 1999. And it started in my say Eisley, I mentioned earlier with, you know, the oldest chamber in the world. And at that time, you know, we were I think, not a lot of people I think was around maybe 200 300 delegates, but somehow, you know that the magic, you know, happened. We were all there, I wasn’t there. Actually, I say we because I feel I was there actually. But people were really, really interested into networking into talking, you know, to each other. Because, well, even if you’re a private CIMR, or a public low chamber, even if you come from the US or Nigeria, or you know, Asia, at the end of the day, you still have, you know, common interests, common topic and things you need to share with your peers. So during that moment, in my fade, people got really excited. And in my say, we already received a bid to co organize the next editions of the Congress. So after my smile, say well to seal and then Quebec City, Durban, Istanbul, Kuala Lumpur, Mexico, Doha to Reno, Sydney, Rio, and now Dubai. So, yeah, it was a very successful event. And each every two years, we’re getting more and more delegates, people also returning to the Congress. So while in a way, I think they really appreciate it. And the first reason for them to still attend event is the networking opportunity.
Brandon Burton 16:33
Very good. I yeah, I can see where the networking would really come into play, especially as you have Chambers from all different backgrounds throughout the world coming together and being able to learn from each other and see how things are done in different parts of the world. And it gets kind of the base of this, this podcast is to learn how other chambers do things and take those things that make sense, or that you want to try out and implement them at your own chamber to try to improve the quality of your own community. So it’s neat to see the history. So and it is it’s every two years, correct that, that you come together for the Congress? Yes, yes. Very good.
Léa Puteaux 17:14
Actually, Brendan, what you just said, many wants to say a few more words about the world from this competition, because really the world’s strongest competition, it’s like the awards, or the Oscars, for chambers worldwide. And it’s about people sharing their ideas, presenting them and then adding more people inspired by what they will present on stage. And it’s really about inspiring your peers. And maybe it’s not maybe but it for sure, some people that presented interesting initiative during the wall chambers competition in the audience, other chambers that were so interested by what they shared that they replicate the replicated the project within their own countries. So really, it’s not only talks, but it’s also really concrete action, and things to take back home, in your own country.
Brandon Burton 18:06
So I would love for you to share more with us about the competition. What’s involved with that? What kind of entries or winners have you seen in the in past Congresses? I’m very intrigued by by the competition, maybe I’ve got a little bit of a competitive nature in myself. But I like seeing the innovation that comes out of things like this. So Leo, why don’t you share with us some of these things that you’ve seen come out of the competition?
Léa Puteaux 18:33
Sure. So well, basically, for each work chambers competition, we have around three to four categories. So this year, they are the best climate action projects, best resilience projects, best unconventional projects, and best digital projects. So Chambers from all around the world are invited to submit projects within one of those four categories. And then the project are being reviewed by a panel of international, an international panel of chambers of commerce executive, which vote for their favorite projects, and that for their favorite projects. And the finalists are traveling to Dubai to pitch their project live in front of the audience in plenary session. So it’s really a something that is extremely excited because people are really rooting for the chambers for their favorite projects. It’s creating a lot of excitement. And we have seen some amazing projects for each of the World Service competition. And one that I would like to mention is from rijo Actually, we had the CEO of Afghan sorry, Afghanistan woman of chamber Chamber of Commerce, and she shared the project of her chamber which was actually to create a chamber dedicated to women in Afghanistan to encourage local entrepreneurship from women because in some countries is access to entrepreneurship and to? Well, the business field is a little bit more complicated than in others. And so she created this Chamber of Commerce for a woman in Afghanistan to support her community. And she won a prize in Rio. And I think that the speech she gave was so emotional, it was so inspiring. And it’s really resonates. To me, especially getting what’s happening in the recent days in Afghanistan. So it is it’s one of the projects that has been key, but we have so many interesting projects that I could spend hours talking about them.
Brandon Burton 20:34
But you could. Stephanie, do you have anything to add on the as far as the competition goes? And maybe a project or entry that stood out to you over the years?
Stéphanie Vieilledent 20:45
Yes, sure. Well, first of all, these are always very happy to actually see more projects than we had two years ago. And we were not sure about that. Because we know that chambers have been, you know, experiencing a very difficult time recently, and so we were not sure about, you know, how much time they will be able to, you know, give to these competitions. So that’s first thing I want to highlight. And thank all of these chambers again, and when which are always in my mind is one project, which was actually about disaster preparedness toolkit. And that project actually, has been replicated, I mean, other chambers around the world, they took it, and they actually transform it for their own country. Unfortunately, you know, disasters are still happening. And, but that toolkit was very useful. So again, something very concrete, very useful for all the chambers. And this is when we actually like to see in the competition,
Brandon Burton 21:59
and say that those are the kinds of things that I like to see is, is actionable tools, you can as a chamber, you can sit back and say, Wow, that is really impressive how they’ve implemented that at their chamber, let me try it out of my chamber, or if nothing else, to connect with whoever that presenter is, and with their organization, and to learn more about what went into that specific project and things to consider if you were to try to implement it at your own organization. So this year, obviously COVID-19 has kind of thrown a wrench in the whole world. Right? So I’m curious, Have you shared this year with this happening in Dubai, the Congress been in Dubai this year? Is this say something? Obviously, having a physical location there? Are people coming to attend? In person? Is there is that the only way to attend? Are there virtual options? How if somebody listening wanted to participate and be a part of this, what’s the best way for them to, to get connected with that?
Stéphanie Vieilledent 23:05
Well, so actually, this year, we are organizing a hybrid event. Yes. So for the first time, actually, will have, of course, the in person format, in Dubai, but we’ll also provide a digital platform for people who are not able to travel to Dubai. So we’re very happy about that. Because, you know, that way, they everyone has a chance, you know, to participate, and to join us. So it’s actually, you know, very new for us. So, in a way, I’m also curious to see how it’s how it’s gonna be. But look, come in, we have a fantastic organizer. We’ve seen, of course, the digital platform, and really what we wanted to create is actually a real virtual experience and not just okay. And behind my screen a night login, no really wanted to have an experience also for virtual delegates. So we look forward to seeing all of that acts actually taking place.
Brandon Burton 24:17
That is great. I like the idea of being able to have it be a hybrid layer where you have
Léa Puteaux 24:22
to add, yeah, and we are also very excited to share that we have as of today, 80 countries registered to our in person events so far. So at this stage of the organization of the events, because all delegates usually register very less minutes. For COVID. It was always the case. But now we are super proud to have those 80 countries that have registered, and really we were not sure we we were not sure so happy to see that people are really getting excited about getting together and people are writing to us all the time. Right. It’s funny that like I can’t wait to be in Dubai. I can’t wait to meet match them up as again. And we really feel that chambers are dying to get together again. So we can’t wait to be there.
Brandon Burton 25:08
I’m glad to hear that that’s a worldwide phenomenon about chambers waiting and procrastinating until the last minute, because I see that for sure in the United States, that chambers will wait till the very last minute. So that’s a trend worldwide, for sure, for sure. Well, I wanted to see your what else would you two want to share about whether it’s the the world chambers Congress or International Chamber world chambers Federation, just in general, for listeners to know more about or to get involved? Stephanie, let me hand it over to you to respond to that.
Stéphanie Vieilledent 25:52
Yes, sure. Thank you Brendon. One last thing I wanted to share about the Congress, I smell Léa just mentioned the number of countries we have registered to date. And I’d like to earn the line, also. A special program that I’ve been made available by the Dubai chamber, which is a program who is actually sponsoring some chambers, from the least developed countries. And this year, this program has been extremely successful. We have 32 registered Chambers from these developed countries. And it’s actually the first time we have so many. They are a total of 46 LDCs in the world. So 32 is a very good number. And I’d like also to use this occasion to thank one of our partners, CPC caf, they are an assembly for Francophone African chambers, and they helped us a lot securing this chamber to the Congress. And you know, I think this is very important, actually twice and twice as easy to be inclusive to really have as many countries as possible and make this Congress available to all type of chambers. So that’s something I wanted to highlight as well in this podcast.
Brandon Burton 27:21
That’s very good. Léa, what would you like to add that we haven’t covered that you think would be relevant to this conversation?
Léa Puteaux 27:28
Well, I would like to say that this year, we have been really innovative in the way we shape our program, we have worked with specialized design thinking, even designer for to help us to read those innovation and release this format. The format that we’re going to have for this edition of the Congress is going to be much more interactive than it was before. So we have very exciting format that we really can’t wait to have people experience because really, we are super proud about them. And also I wanted to share that we are going to tell a story to delegates during the three days of the events. So basically on the first day, we are going to welcome them and to discuss about all this your theme which is janisch generation next chamber 4.0. We are going to talk a lot about digitalization of chambers. Chamber business model innovation. So chamber model innovation. Also that chamber 4.0 in the further details, and then the day two is going to focus more on resilience on the future on sustainability. And finally, the last day is going to be on concrete actions and on building action plans for chambers to take back home in their respective countries. So it’s not only attending attending 20 events listening to it. But it’s also really processing some contents exchanging with your federal champion participant, timber delegates, and then working together to produce concrete action plans. And really, people are going to have a real book while a real booklet where they’re going to write to work together to be together on table of six persons. And at the end, they are going to have to produce something. So this way, if someone is being asked, What have you done at the Congress, where you just enjoying or going to the amazing social events that are going to take place? No, people are going to work and are going to think and it’s not even tourists. So really something I wanted to share.
Brandon Burton 29:31
It’s not just a social event, but you’re going to come out of this with some high quality value that you can take back to Yeah,
Léa Puteaux 29:37
people people are going to work a lot but they’re going to have a lot of fun also because we have nice social events and one of them is taking place at the Armani hotel at Busch Khalifa which is if I’m not mistaken, the biggest the highest store in the world. And we are going to have a very nice cocktail with the traditional American in here it souk with the interactive booths and magic different activities. And also we are going to facilitate the access to delegates to Expo 2020, which is the first World Expo taking place in the MENA region. So a lot of exciting elements in the Congress and outside and really, we can’t wait to be there.
Brandon Burton 30:18
Yes, absolutely. So for everybody listening, what is the date for the world chambers Congress.
Stéphanie Vieilledent 30:28
So the dates are from the third to the 25th of November. So, okay, I have to mention that we know it’s during Thanksgiving, as us. And so we were a bit of for tonight with dates. Initially, the Congress was to take place in February this year, we had to postpone and many times. So here are the dates. But as we mentioned, it’s a hybrid event. We would love to welcome a Chambers from the US virtually because we know Thanksgiving is very important. Families are important. Can say the contrary, as you heard our family, three kids, but we yeah, we, we really would like to also have Chambers from the US at this event as well. We do have speakers actually from the US, and some of them have decided to actually spend Thanksgiving with us. Which Yeah, if this is a possibility for your chamber champions, or Brendan will welcome them, of course, virtually to the event.
Brandon Burton 31:41
Can you give a teaser for some of these speakers are for people listening? Are you allowed to do that?
Stéphanie Vieilledent 31:49
Yeah, it’s not secret layout. You want to say a few names? Yeah, it’s
Léa Puteaux 31:54
not secret. Everything is available on our website. But we have the head of retail at Google. We’re expecting also some stickers from Facebook, from Microsoft from PWC. And we also have international organizations such as the WTO. And the International Trade Center. And of course, we have chamber leaders from all around the world.
Brandon Burton 32:20
Very good. Stephanie would look like you have something else to add. Yeah, yeah, no, it’s just to add that
Stéphanie Vieilledent 32:26
takes hooter actually had a retail at Google easel, so part of the Chicagoland chamber, so a chamber from the US.
Action Item/Tip for Chamber Champions
Brandon Burton 32:36
Very good. That is awesome. So as we start to wrap things up here, I wanted to ask both of you, I’d like to get input from both of you have one tip or action item that a listener could do to help elevate their chamber up step to the next level? Léa, why don’t we start with you?
Léa Puteaux 33:00
Well, my tip is to join us at the Congress in Dubai auditorally, I think it will really be the perfect opportunity to everything about chamber for Portal and chamber model innovation, and to learn from your peers from all around the world.
Brandon Burton 33:20
Very good. Stephanie, what would your tip or piece of advice be?
Stéphanie Vieilledent 33:25
Well, it’s a nice layer. But if I’m able to add one thing, we have a community platform called chambers connect. So I think that will help, you know, chamber executive chamber leaders a lot. It’s basically a platform, for chambers. It’s 100%, dedicated to chambers. And that way, you know, you don’t have to wait for the Congress actually to meet network and learn. And, you know, take up to the next level, you can do that already. Thanks to the platform, connect with your peers from all around the world. So I’ll be happy to invite all of your chamber champions to chambers connect our community platform.
Brandon Burton 34:12
Yeah. So how do where’s that? Is that through your website? Or how do you? How do you find that platform?
Stéphanie Vieilledent 34:20
So actually, just email us because we’ll need to send a chamber executives and leaders in invitation and the link to register as it’s a closed community. Okay. You need to register so just email us.
Future of Chambers
Brandon Burton 34:39
And we’ll we’ll get your contact information in our show notes as well. But I like to ask everyone that I have on the show. As we look to the future of chambers of commerce, how do you both see the future of chambers and their purpose going forward? Stephanie, would you like to take a stab at that first?
Stéphanie Vieilledent 35:00
Yes, sure. Well, I think chambers for us, you know, are really the a trusted entity. And we’ve seen that even more during this difficult time we all had with COVID. And I’m sure that in the future chambers will still be this trusted partner, you know, businesses are going to. At the same time, I think chambers will still have to adapt, you know, their services, what they do how they do, to make sure they’re still relevant for the members. So this is how I see chambers, you know, in the near future, and, and of course, as ICC and the world chambers Federation, will be with them to to actually continue their work and remain relevant to their members. We will usually widly very often with Léa, we say that we see them as lighthouses to make business work for people and planet. So for us, chambers are here to lead, connect and inspire.
Brandon Burton 36:23
Love that lead, connect and inspire. Léa, what what is your what is your crystal ball say about the future of chambers?
Léa Puteaux 36:32
Well, I think that chambers need to talk to each other to better connect to exchange to network, because sometimes we just don’t need to reinvent the wheel and someone is doing something that is amazing and working very well. And that we just should learn from the experience of the others. But if I should, if I if I had to mention some long term changes that chambers have to to implement, I would say that really, companies need to accelerate their digital transformation. So that’s why this your theme for the Congress is Generation X number 4.2. We think that this is key, that timber go through this process of digital transformation and in the right way and without suffering too much. And we also think that chamber should have the access to CT to to international business opportunity. Well, that’s why well, the International Chamber of Commerce, I guess, and also to integrate sustainable business development into business models. So again, something that we are going to cover during the wealth chambers Congress. So join us.
Brandon Burton 37:40
Yeah, so I think that digital transformation piece is very important. And there’s a lot of Chamber members who may be the older generation who might resist a little bit to technology transformation. But then there’s the whole new, you know, younger generation that’s getting into the workforce and business ownership, that that’s absolutely what they want. So for a while, I think chambers will have a kind of a hybrid type of a situation where to be able to address the needs of both type of demographics. I think that is a key part of the of chambers moving forward. But I wanted to give you both an opportunity to share any contact information for listeners who would like to reach out and connect or to join chambers connect or to get registered for the world chambers Congress, what would be the best way for them to reach out and connect with you? Leo, why don’t we have you go first, and then we’ll get Stephanie’s contact information?
Connect with Léa and Stéphanie
Léa Puteaux 38:40
Well, I’m not sure everyone will understand my contact details. But I’m Lea.puteaux@iccwbo.org. And our website is worldchamberscongress.org. So well. If you need more information about the Congress, please feel free to email me or visit our websites.
Brandon Burton 39:02
All right, and Stephanie, I bet yours.
Stéphanie Vieilledent 39:07
Yes. Luckily, I have a short version of my email address without my last name. So I’m going to use that one. So it’s stephanie.vieilledent@iccwbo.org.
Brandon Burton 39:24
That is perfect. And I will get your contact information in our show notes for this episode. So really, hopefully the spelling and everything won’t be an issue because people can just go to chamberchatpodcast.com/episode145 and click on your email there or click on the website to learn more about the world chambers congress and to get involved there and to reach out and email you both to be able to get involved with chambers connect. I think that’s a great resource as well. But I appreciate you both spending time with me today here on Chamber Chat Podcast, I think you guys are doing great work there at the ICC. And, and I look forward to hearing specifically about these competitions this year and see what those outcomes are. So thank you for being with me today.
