You Can’t Spell Aweso(me) without ME with Nina DeAngelo

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Introduction

Brandon Burton 0:00
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Guest Introduction

I have Nina DeAngelo with me. She is the vice president of the O’Fallon Chamber of Commerce and Industries in the great state of Missouri. She is active in the chamber world as well as her community. Nida sits on the board of the Chamber of Commerce executives in Missouri and will take the seat of Vice President in 2022. The O’Fallon chamber is a member of ACC II where they were awarded the prestigious chamber the Year award in 2017. Nina sits on the board of vision leadership, St. Charles County where she is currently vice chair and will take over as chairman of the board in 2022. She also owns her own consulting company dynamic shift where she offers motivational, inspirational speaking engagements, along with business and life strategies around mindset. Nina had developed her passion for relationship building with other business owners and forged her relationship with the O’Fallon Chamber of Commerce and industries. When she worked at a community bank. She served on the board of the O’Fallon chamber for two years when she was offered the position within the chamber as a staff member. Nina I couldn’t refuse the new this was the universe showing her the way while serving in the capacity of Vice President at the O’Fallon Chamber of Commerce then embarked on a journey of self improvement and professional development in the field of neuro linguistic programming in 2020. She graduated a certified master Coach and Trainer of NLP by the International Board of neuro linguistic programming in November 2029. loves learning about business owners and what makes them thrive in their industries. She has also has a passion for helping business owners succeed and attaining goals within their plans. This is why Nina’s position at the O’Fallon chamber is perfect for her, you will often hear her say I don’t go to work every day, I go to a place where I can help others become successful.

Nina I’m excited and thankful to have you join me today on Chamber Chat Podcast if you would just take a minute to say hello to all the Chamber Champions that are out there listening and share something interesting about yourself so we can all get to know you a little bit better.

Nina DeAngelo 3:36
Awesome, awesome. First and foremost, I want to acknowledge you, Brandon for offering me the opportunity to come on your show. So thank you for that. And hello, all chamber champions. Like Brandon said, my name is NIDA D’Angelo, something interesting about me, I served just short of nine years in the United States Army.

Brandon Burton 3:56
Awesome. Thank you for that. That is awesome.

Nina DeAngelo 3:59
Of course Loved it, loved it. It was great. I got married, started having babies and I had the opportunity to stay home and raise them. So just decided that it was time for me to go ahead and hang up those boots and be a mom.

Brandon Burton 4:09
Yeah. So you get to see a good, good portion of the world and you’re nine years. Well,

Nina DeAngelo 4:13
I traveled. What? You know, my first duty station was stateside, and then I did a tour overseas in Panama, South America of all places, which was absolutely gorgeous, loved it. And then I came back stateside, and then that’s when I transitioned out so

Brandon Burton 4:28
All right, very good. Well, share with us a little bit about the O’Fallon chamber just to help give us some perspective to the size budget staff, that sort of thing. Just so we all kind of know where you’re coming from as we get into our discussion today. Sure,

Nina DeAngelo 4:43
sure. So um, we are a so our the size or membership size is roughly 600 members. We are located in O’Fallon, Missouri, which is roughly 30 miles west of St. Louis. We have a staff currently of I say three and three quarters, because we have three full time staff. And then we have somebody that likes to work. You know, she’s our program specialist, she likes to work just part time hours. And she makes it very clear, she likes to work part time hours. And then we just got approval from our board of directors to bring in a fifth full time employee. So we’re super excited about that. That’s a great opportunity. Our budget is we’re just above half a million right now. And I just love what we do for our community. I mean, if you could just look up someone or a team that loves their community, you would look at, you’d see all of our staff at on that in that in that definition, because we just you can just see it, we just love it.

Brandon Burton 5:44
That’s awesome. So I think that helps to kind of set the stage for our discussion today, which the the topic that we titled this, this episode is kind of unique. And for someone who just is scrolling through their podcast player and sees the title of this episode, we titled it you can’t spell awesome without me. And I think this is going to be one of those episodes that it is a little bit different from kind of standard episodes that I’ve done in the past. But I think it really is one of those things where through Nina out we’re good. We’re introducing you to a person with some ideas that will help you better serve your members in your community. And that’s what this show is all about. So I’m looking forward to getting into this discussion and seeing what exactly this means as soon as we get back from this quick break.

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Topic-You Can’t Spell Aweso(me) without ME

Alright, and I know we are back and I am. I’m just kind of jumping in I want to know what this means. You can’t spell awesome without me. And I know we had some some discussion before we got on the podcast call. But why don’t you share with everyone what why we decided on that title for this episode and what that means?

Nina DeAngelo 8:06
Sure, sure. So we just we just got a couple of different topics that I could have spoken about this morning. And so you can’t spell with us. You can’t spell awesome without me came to be when I created a presentation for a local organization here around enter chatter. So in a dialogue and your mindset and how that affects your day to day activity. And to be quite frank, whatever mindset that you’re in, it can make you or break you. And so I created this presentation around the fact that the word awesome me is on the end of it right. So you can’t technically spell awesome without me. And so that’s that’s how the whole and I’ll be completely transparent. I actually stole those lyrics from a Taylor Swift song. So but it just resonated with me, I saw it right. And I was like, Oh my gosh, that like totally like goes hand in hand with what NLP is. And, and mindset and overcoming challenges. And, you know, getting past barriers and blocks, any barriers and blocks that you have in your life comes simply from a mental block. And if you have the ability and the tools to know how to just recognize that, and then tools to implement to get past it, you can succeed with anything you put your mind to. And I really mean that. I mean, like anything that you put your mind to.

Brandon Burton 9:24
Absolutely. And I’m a big believer of that of having a focus and something that you can work towards and, and paying attention, I think to that inner chatter. And when we spoke before, as we were trying to settle on a topic for this episode. I had shared with you that I had, I had recently heard it and apparently you had heard it too, that there is a small percentage of people that don’t have an inner voice. And it just blew my mind. Yeah, I think that is kind of a conscience or, you know, there’s should I do this or should I not and some people just don’t have have that, and I just don’t understand how they operate with that I rely a lot on my inner chatter.

Nina DeAngelo 10:07
Yeah, and I bet that those that don’t have that inner chatter, they’re probably super successful, because they don’t have that, like when you when you create a goal, and five seconds later, that voice in the back of your head is like, you’re never gonna make it right. They don’t have that. So like they create a goal. And they just go,

Brandon Burton 10:22
yeah, yeah, that’s very true. So we probably don’t have enough time in this whole episode to dive into all of the helpful tools and resources that that you would have to offer. But you had mentioned those mental blocks, and being able to have those tools and resources to overcome those mental blocks to accomplish really anything you put your mind to. I guess the first thing would be how would somebody identify some of these mental blocks to first realize that, hey, there’s an issue here, I need to address? And then how does kind of seek out? I mean, do they need to seek professional counseling? I mean, sometimes it may, I know, the answer is gonna be different for everybody. But what are some of those resources that you could share? Well,

Nina DeAngelo 11:14
um, so first and foremost, awareness is key, just being aware that it’s happening, because let’s, I mean, statistics say that, you know, the human, a human being has over like, 60,000 thoughts in a day, right? 90% of those are negative, and 85% of those are repeated on just just repeated on a regular basis. So just being aware that that’s happening really is key. And then when you are aware of it, what you do is you just you take, you know, you’re taking a mental note, this is all done inside the head, I mean, or unless you want to talk out loud, that’s fine, too. But people might actually look at you funny, but you just you’re aware of it. And when you when you recognize that it’s happening, you you mentally make a choice to flip the switch. And what I mean by that is, you know, you mess up on an email or you do something right that you know that you end up, you know, saying something to yourself, like, oh, you dummy, right? Oh, wait a minute, I’m not a dummy. This is a learning opportunity for me, right? You just flip it, you flip the script in your head takes practice. It’s like, it’s like walking, whenever we first started walking when we were infants, right? Did we just get up and start, you know, jamming to the tunes? No, we had to learn right? And so that’s exactly what what this is all about. It’s about reprogramming what’s already in our minds to better service.

Brandon Burton 12:31
I like that example of learning to walk like you’d never see a baby or a toddler fall and then say, You dummy, you know, get up and you know, what are you thinking? You know, exactly, that’s not it’s not the natural set. So somewhere along the line, more of these negative thoughts come in. And they tend to be, you know, tart, self, almost self abusive, you know, as far as those thoughts go. But I like the idea of being able to rewire. Flip the switch, as he said, you’ll be able to turn those negatives into what is that learning experience? Or where is the truth that for real? And really take inventory of what those thoughts are versus what reality is? Because

Nina DeAngelo 13:13
yeah, and I will tell you to Brandon, that this has really helped me have just deep and thoughtful conversations, and I’ll tie it into the chamber with members with membership. I mean, I don’t know, you know, we get members in our office all the time. Sometimes I feel like I should probably charge per hour, they’ll come in, they’ll sit down, and they’ll just start, you know, like, I feel like I’m a bartender, sometimes you hear all their problems, right? I’m sure their ticket professionals can completely understand what I’m saying here. And so to be able to use the tools, I have now to hear what they’re really telling me. And to help them, you know, flip the switch, if you will, on their thought process. This has just been a huge, like, it’s just been a huge positive influence on our retention numbers.

Brandon Burton 13:52
So I don’t know if you guys are on a tiered dues model or not. But is that one of the benefits listed as being a member of

Nina DeAngelo 14:01
No, that’s what that’s what? Yeah, that’s what my consulting company comes in. I always tell them, Look, I’m going to give you an example. And if you want to go deeper, or if I go deeper, I’ll just send you the invoice. Yeah, just kidding. That’s funny. Yeah, but that’s exactly what we’re the consulting company comes in at, you know, if they if they feel like they’ve gotten a benefit, and they want to go deeper into that, then that’s when we talk offline chamber stuff. And we talk more about the bit my own business.

Brandon Burton 14:26
Yeah. So I like tying it into the the chamber work. So for chamber champions that are listening, how can they maybe apply some of these ideas of helping members flip the switch? Obviously, they haven’t necessarily gone through the training that you have, but just to be aware of the story being told in the members mind versus what’s being told vocally to the chamber, what’s not being told what’s unspoken and trying to pull out what the true needs are to be able to come to a resolution what What direction would you point them into, to help them figure these things out?

Nina DeAngelo 15:04
I mean, really just that I mean, it does take training, it’s not like it’s something that you can just one day say, You know what I’m going to, I’m going to just start being more positive in my life, because that, that’s great for you. But you may not always recognize that coming from somebody else, you know, so it does take training. So if that’s something that you’re interested in, I do encourage you to find someone in your area that does offer some sort of training on the mindset and get involved with that. But really, the basics of it is just just listen, just listen to the conversation, they will tell you everything you need to know while they’re sitting in front of you, and just help them see it in a different light. If that makes any sense. Like your members perspective, when they come and sit down with you, it could be completely different from what they see, after they leave your office or after they leave the meeting with you or wherever it is, you’re having the conversation, as a chamber professional, just be hyper aware of how you can direct that member to success versus, you know, joining them in their pity party that they’re having at the moment

Brandon Burton 16:06
like that, yeah, help point them to success. So you’d mentioned at the beginning, that, that inner chatter can really make or break someone. And I think there’s so much value so much truth to that. Are there some strategies that because I think that for chamber professionals as well, I mean, and looking at it from that perspective, that that inner chatter can make or break and you can look at a member and have a preconceived idea, they don’t want to talk to me because of this or that, or we don’t have anything to offer them right now, because of whatever past experience or we are the end all, be all answer to them. Because whatever I mean, there’s these ideas is this inner chatter. So from that perspective, what tools or mindset shifts or thoughts, would you share with the Chamber professional to kind of get that inner chatter aligned?

Nina DeAngelo 17:08
For sure, first and foremost, get to know your products and services, like the back of your hand, like you need to get to know what it is that you have to offer your membership right? There, I promise you, you have a solution for whatever is happening in that business owners, whether it’s directly through the chamber, or whether you, you know, you introduce them to another member who can help them down that path, you have the resource for them. You just have to look at it from that perspective of if I don’t have it right, immediately, right here in my toolkit, who do I know that’s in my circle, that’s in our membership that could possibly have a conversation with this new member or this prospect or whatever, however, you’re looking at it, to get them past whatever it is that they’re experiencing? It’s chamber land, in my opinion, is much bigger than just the chamber organization, it is the community as a whole, whether they’re members or not their businesses in your community, and we all want to see our communities thrive and that and whether or not you’re paying a membership to me or not, it matters to me, of course, because that’s what I do, right is I work for the chamber. However, I love all businesses in my community. And therefore, if a business comes to me, that’s not a chamber member and has an issue, I’m going to look in my membership to see who I can refer to because I’m all it’s a win win. So if you can just look at the situation. And you can say, Is this a win for the for the person coming to me with the problem, right? Is my solution a win for what they what’s going on? And is it a win for the member? If I’m referring them to a member, then it’s a win win win? And it’s a no brainer?

Brandon Burton 18:35
Yeah. Yeah. And you would never not connect a member with a another business owner who is not a member who actually would have the answers and resources that the member needs, just because of the membership status. So yeah, I think you’d be

Nina DeAngelo 18:49
surprised, though, honestly. I mean, I’ve gone to many conferences, nationally, and just statewide, just sometimes people have, you know, just a very closed off very non growth, you know, like a fixed mentality versus a growth mentality. And once you decide to fix that, right, once you decide that once you choose consciously that you’re going to fix your fixed mindset into a growth mindset. It just the whole world has opens up and possibilities just come to you. And you’re just like, Oh, I didn’t see that before. But I see it now kind of thing. So yeah,

Brandon Burton 19:19
it’s all scarcity versus abundance. For sure. in your community. It’s not a scarce community. There’s all the resources and tools you need are there at your disposal if you open up and look at them. Yep. Love it. So I think this is a this is one of those topics that we could, you know, there’s there’s fingers, we can go

Nina DeAngelo 19:41
I think more than 30 minutes, several different

Brandon Burton 19:43
just different directions. Absolutely. So, I don’t know I’d like to get your thoughts on. I’m a fan of meditation and being able to use that to help set the tone and mind Setting intention for my day. Yeah. What are your thoughts on that? And I guess we’ll have you answer that first.

Nina DeAngelo 20:09
Yeah, for sure. So I am a fan as well of it. We are energy beings living on an energy planet. And that’s what meditation is. Meditation is aligning your energy source with the world, God, Mother Gaia, whatever, however you whatever you phrase it as, when you are paying homage, if you will, through meditation, to that higher being that higher being sends back gratitude, in the form of manifestation, which I know that sounds super Woo, and some people listening are going to be like, That’s so Whoo. Try it. Give yourself 30 days to and meditate every day, for just a short amount of time, 10 minutes, 15 minutes, whatever it is, and start and just be hyper aware of what’s opening up around you.

Brandon Burton 20:52
Yeah, I fully agree with that. I just, I guess the example that I have it from my life, and it wasn’t even done intentionally. But it helped me understand the value of having a clear vision. And for me, meditation is what I’m able to, to create that vision. So I know what direction I want to go and then have the energy align, as you mentioned, but when I was much younger playing baseball, I was a first baseman, and we were in a championship tournament. And I’m standing at first base doing my duty, and I had this vision kind of pop into my mind, of we had a runner on first and a runner on third. And I thought if, if this batter hits the ball to me, I’m going to get him going to catch this line drive, I’m going to tag the runner at first, and then I’m going to, you know, throw the ball the third and get that runner before he can tag up and, and we’re gonna turn a triple play, you know, and then it wasn’t, you know, 30 seconds later, that balls hit and it unfolded exactly, almost exactly as it was in my mind. But it was such a vivid vision of how things would unfold. And I ended up getting the runner at home instead of third. But we turned to triple play. I’ve never seen that happen before, besides in my mind, and we did it. So

Nina DeAngelo 22:17
I love that example. Because you know, the human brain, like neuroscience itself, will, you know, it’ll tell you it’ll teach you human brain, it functions in terms of pictures. What if I tell you don’t think of a blue tree? Yeah, what happens? Right? You just visualized the blue tree, or you saw the words blue tree in your head. Yeah. So visualization is so powerful for us as human beings. Yeah.

Brandon Burton 22:39
So in terms of meditation, is there a certain type of meditation that you prefer? Just whatever works for somebody? Is there tools? For somebody who’s not familiar with the world of meditation? Where would they start? And what would you encourage them to do?

Nina DeAngelo 22:56
Well, I can tell you my journey, and you can you can latch on to it, if you want to do the same thing. I mean, you take from it what you will. So meditation was never a thought in my mind until I started this training back in 2020. And then it was suggested to me by an energy worker that was in my class, to start meditation. And so I simply just went on to Spotify and YouTube and I found guided meditations to help me get started. So that’s to me, I think that’s the best way to start when you really don’t know what it is you’re doing. guided meditations will definitely help you get the basic level of what it’s all about. And then as you graduate and get better at it, you can move to just sitting silently in the silence, and taking that silence in for what it is. And so I’m not gonna lie, it was difficult process for me at first because my there’s constantly remember the inner chatter we talked about got going on all day, every day, right. And so the challenge for me was start with a guided meditation and anytime, something that comes into your mind outside of what’s being told to you through the guided meditation start over.

Brandon Burton 23:58
That’s right. So I know I had used an app called Headspace when I was first trying to get into it. And they have little animated videos that teach you how to meditate. And one of them that stands out to me is the guy, this little character, it shows him sitting on the side of a highway. And he’s seeing all these cars go by on this highway. And it’s explaining that meditation isn’t about looking at every car, and seeing what kind of car and what color and how fast they’re going, where they’re going. But it’s just sitting there and realizing there’s cars. Yeah. And just let that be. It just passes by. Yeah. And so that’s being able to sit there in the silence. Recognize that there’s thoughts that come in and out. They don’t have to be good or bad. That Chatter is going to happen doesn’t have to be good or bad. Just it happens. And then make your intention and go the direction you want to go.

Nina DeAngelo 24:54
Yeah, that’s great. There’s a lot of resources out there. So if somebody’s looking to get into meditation, you can look on you can look in your app store, you can look online, there’s a million ways to find ways to get started.

Brandon Burton 25:04
Absolutely. But before we start wrapping up here, I wanted to see if there’s anything that that you feel of value that that we need to share with chamber champions. Before we, I have my, my standard wrap up questions. So before I get into those, I wanted to make sure that we’re not leaving any valuable content out there that you wanted to touch on, before we start wrapping up.

Nina DeAngelo 25:27
Yeah, um, I mean, to be to be honest, just be genuine in what you’re doing for your chamber, you know, have those conversations, listen, listen to what’s being said to you, because they’re going to tell you everything you need to know and the conversation that you’re having with them. Know, your products, you know, backwards and forwards so that you can recommend those things to your members. And just know that you know, not everybody’s in the same space or in the same place all the time, they’re going to come to you at different levels of that of their business growth. And, you know, it’s, if you love your chamber world, if you love what you do in the chamber, your energy is already high, you’re already you know, your inner the energy is already there, just plug it into products and services that will best serve your your chamber membership. And one of the things I wanted to mention too, was think outside the box, like I think chambers. And when I said I know, a lot of people say that, and then people go How do you do that? What does that mean? Yeah, um, a lot of chambers will do the same thing. We all network, we all advocate, we all you know, I mean, like, there’s a million things that we all do, right? An example of this to me is if you don’t if you’re not part of your state association, and you are not big enough to, you know, pay a membership do into into ACC or or any other organization at the moment, forge relationships with your community partners, find out what they are, you know, ask them a great question. If money and time weren’t a factor, you know, what would you do, and then find out what those things are between yourself and your community partners, and then just forge a relationship with them and go forward and figure out how to make it happen.

Brandon Burton 27:05
I love that that is such a key thing to be able to develop those relationships, because, and I’ve referenced this a couple times on the podcast, but Dave Atkinson’s book, horses versus chess, great book, great example, that talks about all the different pieces in a community. And he likens that to the chessboard to, you’ve got your school district, you’ve got the city, you’ve got County, you’ve got, you know, tourism, you’ve got economic development, you’ve got chamber where all these different chess pieces, and you can’t move them all at the same time. But you have to understand what each of those pieces is capable of doing, and have a strategy to help move the ball forward. So 100% So key. Well, as we do start wrapping up here, I wanted to ask you for maybe one tip or action item that you might have that you can share, you just share a good one there forging those relationships and thinking outside the box. Hopefully, we didn’t steal that one early. But is there any any tips or action items that you’d like to share with the Chamber champions that are listening to help take their chamber up to the next level?

Action Item/Tip for Chamber Champions

Nina DeAngelo 28:12
Yeah, so I have a couple actually. So if you don’t have, if you have not sat down as a staff, even if you’re a staff of one, do it with your board, create your core values, understand what it is that the what the common vision is for everybody that’s involved, right, as far as the Chamber’s growth is concerned, get those core values in place, create your mission statement, if you don’t have a mission statement, get one, it’s super important, it will help guide you in the direction that you’re going. And then create a strategic plan three to five year strategic plan around your core values and your mission statement. And that will be that will help guide you and it will take the guesswork out of what should we be doing at this point. To build the chamber chambers, you know, like they’re just like any other business, have a roadmap in place, your core values, your mission statement, your strategic plan are all part of that roadmap, if you don’t have it, get it and start following it. And you’ll be surprised at what happens in the growth of the organization.

Brandon Burton 29:10
I love that it’s a great tip, get those core values and create that mission statement and strategic plan. So you got to get to know what it is you’re doing on a day to day basis and why you’re doing it. So very good. So Nina as we look to the future of chambers of commerce, how to use the the future of chambers and their purpose going forward.

Future of Chambers

Nina DeAngelo 29:30
Oh, I mean, we’re not going anywhere. We’re gonna be here for a while. And me personally for us. We like to plug in to ACC because we’re fortunate enough to be a big enough chamber to do that. And they help us create, you know, what, where we’re headed because they do all the work for us, right? They hire all the big dogs to do all the data collection. And then we just, you know, we just read the data and we bring it in and we just and we decipher it and we go through it and pick it what we’re going to do so um, chambers are going to be around for a long time, especially if we’re out there showing our communities What our value is, whether it’s a big box store, or it’s your local mom and pop, we’re not just there for businesses, we’re there for our residents as well. And I don’t think we probably don’t count that enough is that we’re not just a resource for our businesses, we also are there for the residents as well. So I think that’s probably another thing that could, could probably be done better by chambers, that we’re not going anywhere anytime soon.

Brandon Burton 30:25
I love the resident part. One of the chamber, the finalist interviews I did this year with James McCoy at the Forsyth County Chamber. He had mentioned how they their chambers partnering a lot with homeowners associations in their community, that that’s a in a lot of communities. That is a totally untapped resource to be able to connect with the residents in your community. So I’m just going to plug that out there again, for anyone listening. Well, Nina, I appreciate you spending time with us today here on chamber chat podcast. So I’d like to give you an opportunity to put any contact information out there that you’d like to share for listeners who might have questions about anything you shared today, or learning more maybe about your consulting services are ways that you’re able to connect and help them as well, what would be the best ways to reach out and connect? Yeah, sure, no

Connect with Nina DeAngelo

Nina DeAngelo 31:20
problem. So you can reach me at my first name nina@ofallonchamber.org. You can also reach me and I’ll throw my cell phone number out there, because people call me on all the time, you can reach me My cell phone is 636-577-4323 I will say that if anything that Brandon and I discussed today, just if it if it just gave you a twinkling of ooh, I want to know more about that act on it. Because that’s your unconscious mind telling you that there’s more, there’s more for you. So I’m happy to have that conversation with anybody who wants to know more about what I do in the NLP space and also anything that we do there at the chamber to help grow our community.

Brandon Burton 32:03
Absolutely. And I just wanted thoughts come in to me as you’re giving these responses as we’re wrapping up that your brain your mind is one of the most powerful resources in the entire known universe. And and you have one you know, you’re you’re blessed enough to have one and inside that skull of yours, so treat it well understand how it works and how it can work to your benefit. But Nina I really enjoyed this conversation. I think this is a conversation that we need to have more of throughout the chamber industry and just throughout our communities in general. So thank you for sharing that. I will get your contact information in our show notes for this episode, which will be found at chamberchatpodcast.com/episode150. But again, Nina thank you for being with me today. This is a fun conversation and a lot of value provided as well.

Nina DeAngelo 32:57
Thank you, Brandon have an amazing weekend.

Brandon Burton 32:59
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