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Reinventing Chamber Brand with Lindsay Griffin-Boylan

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Our guest for this episode is Lindsey Griffin Boylan. Lindsay is the president and CEO of the Greater Wyoming Valley Chamber in Pennsylvania. She’s a graduate of LaSalle University where she received her bachelor’s degree in business. Lindsay began her career at the Greater Wyoming Valley Chamber as the events and program manager and has since worked her way into her current position as president CEO, and is the first woman and young professional to hold the position since the organization began in 1884. In her pre chamber life, she worked for Comcast spectator that Philadelphia 70 Sixers while cobia arena, Mohegan Sun and Pocono downs, and Genetti Hotel Conference Center. Hopefully I’m saying those right. Lindsay is passionate and engaged with the community and is a board member and committee member of several organizations in the Northeast Pennsylvania area, all working towards betterment of their community. She was born and raised in northeastern Pennsylvania and currently resides in Harvey’s Lake, and is proud to be able to live work and play in the area she grew up in, and be able to make a difference each day. Lindsay, welcome to chamber chat Podcast. I’m excited to have you with us today, I’d love to give you an opportunity to say hello to all the chamber champions that are out there listening and share something interesting about yourself so we can all get to know you a little better.

Lindsay Griffin-Boylan 2:59
Yeah, thank you so much, Brandon, I’m very happy to be here. And I know my team and I are big fans of this because I think we’re all trying to really connect with in our chamber industry and, and really the past few years having all their challenges, can you learn new things and the ideas and I know something that we’re all really striving towards, as we’re all trying to help our community. So I’m really, really excited to be here today. And certainly share what I can and, you know, happy to happy to connect with everybody that’s listening. Something interesting about myself, I think, really, you kind of read my bio, and it’s a little bit, I think, a little different and unique as to how I got here. But you know, I think that I had always been really an event lover, I love bringing people together. I like to kind of seeing that collectiveness. And, yeah, I mean, I started out my chamber, really not knowing what a chamber was about seven years ago, now seven and half years ago, and really just saw what the role was in the community, and just really fell in love with all of it. So I think, really had just worked my way up into the current position that I have now. And I think it’s a really exciting time to be in industry. It’s a tiring time at the same time, but it’s a really cool way that we’re all sort of reinventing. So I was really in sports marketing. That’s what I kind of came out as, and that was really my first my first job essentially, when I and I left the area I originally was from NEPA. I left and said, Hey, I want to, you know, want to kind of get out of here and I moved to Philadelphia had some great experiences out there and realized really how incredible this area was. And when I came back, I knew I wanted to be part of making a change and making it so that you know and goal is our younger people. We end up retaining them they don’t want to leave they want to stay here and make this their home. So I think my Interesting thing is kind of how I’ve gotten here, but I’m very happy to be here at the same time.

Brandon Burton 4:48
Very good. Thank you for sharing that background. I can see you know, a lot of young people going through school sports marketing is very attractive. You know, it’s a it’s a glamorous type proposition and I can see where that attracts people chamber work not so much like you said, you came into it not really knowing what a chamber does. And I don’t think you’re too different than other people. And that way is to get, you know, being introduced to chamber work. But we’re glad you’re here. So thank you. Unless you tell us a little bit about the greater Wyoming Valley Chamber just to give us an idea of size, scope of work, staff budget, that sort of thing, just to give us some perspective, before we dive into our conversation,

Lindsay Griffin-Boylan 5:28
sir, yes, so we are located right in the works bare sort of Scranton area in northeastern Pennsylvania, we were formerly known as the greater Wilkesboro Chamber of Commerce, and that we’ll talk about that in a little bit. I know. But we have rebranded to the greater Wyoming Valley Chamber of Commerce about two and a half years ago. And really, that was to be representative of a lot of our members to make sure that we were servicing, you know, everyone in our community in the best way possible, and really start to get that collectiveness that we know that regions that are doing, you know, the collective sort of way of working together, are seeing success. So we represent a little over 600 Members, we have a team of 10. So my incredible team who really has just been so amazing at pivoting, reinventing the wheel looking at new things. So, you know, we’re able to really focus on a few different areas that we’ll talk about today. But we also so we have our chamber of commerce division, we also have our chamber of business and industry, which is our 501 C three, and it’s our foundation, which is allowing us to do a lot of our workforce development, economic development, and what houses our entrepreneurial development, which is called books fair connect. And then we also, you know, have many different affiliates that will fall under that as far as our councils, our committees. So we are really covering, I’d say a wide variety of, you know, we have our government affairs, we have, you know, our women’s network, our Young Professionals Network, we have a nonprofit network, so many different, you know, items that are going to kind of umbrella underneath that. But my incredible team, really kind of each manages one of those aspects and collectively, we operate as the greater Wyoming Valley Chamber of Commerce. So

Brandon Burton 7:16
that definitely gives some good perspective and kind of teasing the topic a little bit as far as what we’ll be focusing our conversation on today around reinventing the chamber brand so you had mentioned about two and a half years ago, you guys really dove in into making that change. So we’ll we’ll dive in much deeper into why that what drove that and what that experience is like as soon as you get back from this quick break.

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Brandon Burton 10:34
All right, Lindsay, we’re back. So I’m curious, you had mentioned as you were telling about your chamber, that you guys went about, I guess, the beginning of this rebrand about two and a half years ago. And, you know, curiously, I’m just wondering, does it have anything to do with COVID during that timeframe, and taking a deeper look at your organization, what you had to offer?

Lindsay Griffin-Boylan 10:57
Yeah, actually, interestingly, happened right before COVID. So we had, I think one of the big things that my team and I had really been very focused on was we have a lot of different, you know, in our area, and it’s a smaller territory, we had a lot of, we have many different chambers, covering different communities, we had many different economic development organizations. And what we noticed was that really, unless you were in our sphere, it was really hard to understand what was here, what resources were available. So if we did have a business, you know, moving into the area, or looking at our area, or a family that wanted to relocate here, there wasn’t really that one stop place to kind of, you know, collectively get those resources. We always say we’re never the ones that are doing every single piece of this work, you know, we never want to reinvent the wheel, we have a lot of amazing partners, but we wanted to make it easier for everyone else to find them. So with the rebrand, you know, I think we were representing members that were all throughout the Wyoming Valley. So we really wanted to reposition ourselves as our tagline is elevate the valley. So we use elevate symbol, which I really love, because elevate to us is really just kind of getting, you know, making sure that our residents or businesses are connected in the best way possible for success. And that goes beyond, you know, just obviously, we’re very focused on businesses and you know, recruiting retention, and ensuring the ones that are here are successful. But we also know that there has to be a lot of work done on, you know, our residents here and quality of life that we need to make this the best place to live, work and play. So with with the rebrand, we wanted to kind of not only sort of reinvent what our chamber was, our chamber has been around since 1884, we were heavily involved in real estate. So we, you know, had that was a very strong background of ours, a lot of our programs and initiatives sort of had taken a little bit of a backseat at that time, as that’s really what the organization’s focus was. So as we moved into the future, you know, and we got the team on board that we have now we noticed what the need was in our community. To have an organization like this, you know, not only do we change the name, but we changed the logo, we changed the way we operate, we changed the way that we did membership, as far as making sure that our door was open to anyone and everyone, especially to be a part a lot of those councils I talked about, you don’t have to be a chamber member to sit on diversity, equity and inclusion or women’s network or young professionals. We welcome anyone and everyone to the table, because we noticed and one of the things when I came on board was, you know, I noticed a lot of the people that were on our board and other boards and you know, different organizations were a lot of the same people. And we weren’t really seeing that. The diversification that we know what community needs, if you really want to help anyone and everyone, it’s having that representation, making those decisions and feeling like you know, they want to sit at that table. And they can and they can be a part of their area and moving their area forward. So we did a lot of work, not only, like I said, just on the outside of what our logo looks like, and what our website looked like, and what our membership guide looked like, but really who we are in the community and what our position was. And that’s been a lot of the work over the past few years, but really started with the rebrand.

Brandon Burton 14:05
Yeah, I think a name and a logo. Those are very much the surface things right? That’s it. Everybody sees that you think of the rebrand. But really, as I hear this, it’s an opportunity for you to look at what synergies there are, you know, as you have different volunteers working with different organizations, how can you bring things together, but also taking a look at maybe reevaluating and in the scope of work that you guys were involved with? And you You touched a little bit on that by being involved with real estate and as you went about the rebrand, what was that experience? Like looking at the work that you were involved with? And then really making a concerted focus on what the chamber needed to be focused on?

Lindsay Griffin-Boylan 14:39
Yeah, I mean, I think always right, and we’re doing this constantly as chamber professionals of what is our role, what is the need in the community, it’s going to change, you know, every few years and based on what happens and certainly pandemic was, I always say I think the pandemic was an acceleration for change that had been happening for a while I think chambers rarely had to look at themselves. And this was pre pandemic of how am I, you know, how will I be relevant? What is the value? How are we reinventing ourselves to keep up with this next generation, what businesses are now looking for? We know that younger people are participating differently with their communities with different organizations and memberships. So we started to look at that prior and I think that the pandemic completely accelerated that change where you had to look at Where’s where are the gaps in my community right now? What can I fell? And I always say, during the pandemic, I think we were a little bit of everything to everyone. I think that’s what we all did, right? We were trying to kind of help residents find, you know, medical information, we were trying to help businesses get funding and grants and understand the programs that were coming out from the state and federal level. But we were also just trying to push out anything we could to help our communities. And so I feel like now it’s at a place where we’re able to kind of hone in on really, what is our mission? Now. I mean, I think, who, while our mission hasn’t necessarily changed, the way we execute that has to be so I think, looking at our past is really interesting for me always, because our organization was very involved in essentially developing a lot of land now, that is booming in our community. So a lot of our industrial parks, and they’re full, we have, you know, world class businesses that are right here in northeastern Pennsylvania. And so that was a great place for us to be at at that time of making sure this area gets developed for the future and, and secure that, and that is what happens. And I think now is we’re able to say, where are we needed? Now? I think, you know, we just launched our 2023 2025 strategic plan. And I think it’s really great to be able to look at, you know, what is happening now that we’re kind of moving into this next period of, you know, post pandemic, and and where are the needs. And I think for us, it’s, you know, business and community advocacy is a big goal of ours, workforce development, workforce pipeline development, which we know is such a buzzword. And, you know, we have a lot of cool pilot programs, we’re really big on pilot programs and grants that we do to see how things work. And then, you know, work on partnerships that we can see those continued in the community. regional connectivity, like I said, I’m never a go it alone person either, as my team, I think there’s a lot of great organizations, I think we all have our heads down, and we’re working 100 miles a minute. But I know that when we can collectively put that into one package, that’s where we’re going to see a lot of that regional success. And we have so I think that’s a continued, it’s a pillar for us now, to continue those strong. The strong regional partnerships to solve the area’s most pressing issues. And quality of life, like I mentioned, is a huge focus of ours, I think that we know that without a healthy, you know, nonprofit community business community, giving our residents the resources that they need, we won’t have that workforce that we all want, right, we won’t have the continued continued success that we want to see happen in the area. So you’ll see us also do a lot of things on the quality of life side, I’ll be involved in community concerts, and a lot of young professional events, youth events, you know, getting out there and being a part of a lot of the different things that are making this area one that people enjoy and want to live in. So those are really the four things that we majorly focus on. And it’s interesting to kind of look at the plants from years ago as to where we are now, Mission still the same, we’re just doing it very differently to be relevant to what our community needs.

Brandon Burton 18:20
Right? I love how you mentioned that you guys are big on pilot programs, because it gives you a chance to kind of test the waters, see if it’s something that chamber wants to take on or find that community partner that you could, you know, hand things off to or partner with. Along the way with the rebrand or even leading up to it. What did you guys do as far as collecting data, maybe surveys or feedback to kind of course, the direction that the Chamber needed to go looking into the future?

Lindsay Griffin-Boylan 18:48
Yeah, I mean, we had, when we really started on a lot of this work, too, we had worked with Kyle Sexton, who really helped us look at our membership guide, and we looked at the tiered use model of really making sure that again, we were offering the most value we can so we really, we had we had, you know, pulled our membership, you know, asked about kind of what the relevant things were to them, what they were finding the most benefit from, that led us to our to dues transition which we underwent, which again, is still something that is very successful for us. And I think, you know, something that we’re definitely glad we did to see that retention, again, allowing members to participate in the way that is most beneficial to them. And also, it’s helped us out on you know, generate a little extra revenue in the membership department when we know, that’s just been a challenge, you know, nationally for years. So, we also kind of looked at all of our programs and we you know, talked with our boards, we talked to our members, and we you know sort of really asked what do you guys you know, what is still relevant here? What, what are we doing that we shouldn’t be doing? What are we doing that you want to see more of and what are we not doing at all that you really feel like we should be a part of, so we did a lot of that back work, you know, through mainly a lot of those conversations, but also through our Have some surveys that had been put out there to discuss, like what kind of programming would be relevant, and reaching out to new communities that, frankly, were never involved with us and never had anything to do with us really didn’t have that trust in a chamber to say, you know why? What could we do to really make sure you have a seat at the table and that you want to be involved and that you feel welcomed, and that we’re inclusive, and that this is something you want to be a part of. And that’s still a lot of work we do to this day, because it’s, you know, it’s something that we’re still very focused on. So a lot of back end work is done to get initially sort of the focus of where we were going to go with the rebrand and kind of the relaunch of all of our programs and initiatives. But that work continues to this day. It’s it’s an ever, ever flowing process of really, again, understanding the community’s needs and making sure that’s fitting into our mission.

Brandon Burton 20:47
That leads perfectly into my next thought I was thinking as a chamber goes to rebrand, like, I don’t think you can officially say, All right, we’re done. You know, the rebranding is complete. It’s never ending, right? It just keeps going. You keep evolving as a chamber as you continue to stay relevant to your community. But as you were going through this intensive process of a rebrand, were there any gaps that you noticed or surprises that came up as you were either gathering that data or trying to implement a new direction?

Lindsay Griffin-Boylan 21:17
I think that some of the feedback from the community was not surprising. I think some people, though, still really are challenged to understand what a chamber is what a chamber does, what specifically we were doing. I think the model of a lot of people still thinking that you had to be on a board or be certain level to participate and be part of conversations is still something that we work towards. I think that the general and not that it’s a negative, I think people had a sort of connotation of really what our sphere was. And, you know, I think that misunderstanding and really telling our story and having people understand who we are, what we do, and what the mission of the chamber is, is one that, you know, remains to be a challenge. I think it’s always something we all have to be clear on. And I know that as we’re all doing many different things. And a lot of organizations, like I said, you know, we have an economic development side and a chamber side and really having people understand truly what we do, I think was something that was eye opening during that process. But I think it also encouraged us to tell our story about our to make sure that we can be brought back chamber ambassadors to really help us get the mission out there and, and strengthen that, you know, making our social media clear. Again, making sure to have those one on one conversations with, you know, people that we wanted to have involved with us that represented different communities to sort of break down those barriers of sometimes I don’t want to say it was a negative connotation, but I think they had a very clear picture in their mind of what a chamber was, and really reintroducing what that means now for the community and who we are. So I think that was really one of the challenges that and then of course, when you change your name, right, I think that was a little bit of confusion for for a minute of how we how we got that transition, but honestly, I think just continuing to be very cohesive. And you know, we have an excellent marketing team here. But how we were putting that out there so that people really understood that change, but also that it was still, you know, our organization and making sure that all made a lot of sense when we put it out there and packaged up.

Brandon Burton 23:26
So I have to ask, did you guys crack the code on being able to communicate clearly what a chamber does to your community?

Lindsay Griffin-Boylan 23:34
I don’t think we’ve cracked the code, I think we’ve gotten a few of the digits on the code lockbox. But it’s something we always work towards. I mean, I think that we have certainly done and through through social media, through outreach, through our ambassadors, through all the many people, I think one of the coolest things that we did was, and I sort of mentioned this, but we opened up all of our councils to anyone, so they didn’t have to have an affiliation. And that’s helped us a lot, because now we have, you know, young professionals has over 500 500 of them that that are joining into that effort. Di we have, you know, now extremely great council that sort of leads that and, you know, there’s there’s a few 100 people that will be involved with that when we do those efforts, women’s network. So having all of them really, you know, cultivating those groups, and essentially having them understand your mission, who we are, who the team is, what we’re doing and getting that out, there has been a huge piece to us those, getting the community involved and having them sort of help us get that message out there and tell the story. I mean, we did start doing a lot of different mediums where obviously we use social and we show you know all the cool things the team is up to and what the community is doing. But we do a piece once a quarter, we’re still a big print area here in northeastern Pennsylvania in the paper that talks about all those councils and members and you know what’s happening in the community. So I think we’ve tried to reach people in many different ways. And and, you know, speaking in high school, speaking at colleges, all those different things to try to really get that message of who we are out there is a lot of the work that we’ve been doing, I still think we have a lot of work to do on that, especially because you know, this year, we’re sort of, again, putting a new strategic plan out, and you’re gonna see us in doing some different things. So I think that will always be, but we rely on our wonderful media partners in the area, we rely on our ambassadors. And, you know, it’s one of our actual goals, when we talk a little bit more about what our pillar that’s quality of life is telling our story better, but also telling the area story better. So when someone says, Hey, I want to move my business or my family to Northeastern PA, we have a really cool way that, you know, we’re putting those things together and with all of our partners, of course, to really clearly show how this area is that best place and that, you know, we can help link them. And that’s essentially what I think we are at the end of the day, we’re a convener of all these great things in this community. And we’re the ones that can bring all that together, and fill in the gaps where needed. But you know, convening those conversations, being the ones that kind of bring all those pieces into one place, and, and helping to create that change.

Brandon Burton 26:15
I like the idea of leading that community involvement. So then those community members can go out and tell the story of hey, this is what the Chamber’s involved with. I think that’s very smart. And to be able to get them involved in different levels, like you mentioned, the high schools and the colleges. I’d like to have you to maybe touch a little bit more on the social media outreach that you do, because I don’t imagine you guys are saying, Here’s the definition of what a chamber is, or here’s what our mission is necessarily, but how are you telling the story of your chamber through social media?

Lindsay Griffin-Boylan 26:46
Yeah, I mean, we, we really tried to, again, focus a lot on, you know, putting out the different programs, we have the different events, we have things like that, but telling it more. So from a perspective of, you know, if it was one of the pilot programs, we did an economic development to help kids with coding skills or something like that, telling the story about success. I’m telling the story of the businesses that are, you know, ribbon cuttings, and the different types of things that we have really connecting with those members, and telling those stories. So I think we really tried to make it less of an advertisement for the chamber, but more so showing through those types of really, you know, I think personalizing it in a way that’s really showing the different touch points that we have in the community. So I think that we use social as a tool of, you know, enjoying the team, when we’re when we’re out, having lunch somewhere and having fun, or we’re supporting heart month right now, which it is, you know, and helping our local hospitals and medical organizations really promoting that we’ve we’ve tried to really make it something that looks, you know, inviting and welcoming, and that we’re part of this community and, and showing that through all the different pieces that we have. Because I think when we’re highlighting, yes, we’re having, you know, we’re at an event or we’re having, you know, this this government affairs or, you know, we’re doing this, we’re launching a new workforce program. I think showing those in sort of more of a storytelling mode is the way that we’ve really started to capture a lot of people that are following us that are engaging with it. So I again, we have a great marketing team here that that has really focused on that and making sure that we’re telling that story in a good way. That’s that’s welcoming more people into that mix.

Brandon Burton 28:26
That’s fantastic. So I wanted to ask, just as a point of clarity, you mentioned at the beginning, when you were talking about your chamber kind of scope of work, and everything you had mentioned, you guys have a foundation was a foundation set up prior to the rebrand and I’m asking because for a chamber who may be considering a rebrand, should they consider introducing a foundation into their chamber as part of that rebrand?

Lindsay Griffin-Boylan 28:53
Yeah, so our foundation was set up prior. So we did have a C three prior to that rebrand. But you know, this, that entity, which essentially is what our economic development is run through, is, is one that had been also rebranded many years back. So so we really wanted to change the ways that we were operating that so we had developed a entrepreneurial program, which we call again, connect, who was called books fair connect still is, which is a free system for entrepreneurs, businesses to go through any stage of their life cycle to again, get connected with all the different partners that would help a business grow and succeed in NEPA. So literally, we just put all the partners in one place, a business could come in, and it flowed through there. So Kinect was really the launch of how we started really redoing our foundational side. So we started doing a lot of work on we have a really cool incubator that’s in the basement of the building I’m in now, which again, is for entrepreneurs, startups and gets them into our community and out into our business community. And we started developing programs underneath that. But then also, you know what it allows us to do do is essentially every year have what we call the chamber foundation pledge, which is a great campaign that is really aimed at fundraising, to be able to allow us to do the work that we’re doing. So when we talk about, you know, the pilots programs that we’re doing, including our workforce, or one that we’re now doing with 11th, and 12th, graders in schools, it’s really going to focus a lot on that foundational work we’re doing. So it’s allowed us to, essentially, you know, contribute, obviously, to the organization, financially, which is, which is a big piece, but it also allows us to give back. So through that foundation, you know, we’re able to give out grants, sometimes for small businesses to start operating, you know, we’re able to do a lot of great work, we’re allowed to apply for obviously, different grants and initiatives that the C three will allow us to that are very much focused on what our mission is. So the foundation was there, we’re definitely utilizing it in a different way now, which is great, because I think it has to be a big piece of how, if you’re, if an organization is able to how you’re able to continue growing? You know, I know, as things get challenging, but I think that a lot of our work now, you know, while I do think that, you know, we’re starting, we’re seeing, you know, growth and stabilization and membership and events. So obviously, as we’re coming out of the pandemic, you know, when you’re looking at how can we truly grow and continue to do you know, more work in the community. And what we want to do this, the C three in the foundational side is what’s really allowing me to continue growing my team and doing a lot of things that align with those missions.

Brandon Burton 31:31
I appreciate the testimony on foundations, I feel like every chamber needs to have one. And if you don’t have one, you know, start the conversation, see what you need to do to get started. But Lindsey, as we start to wrap up here, I wanted to ask you earlier, you had mentioned that your your goal, the slogans chambers to elevate the valley, I want to challenge you to help elevate the chamber of champions that are listening, for those that are listening that want to take their chamber up to the next level, elevate them What tip or action item might you have to help them accomplish that?

Lindsay Griffin-Boylan 32:05
I would say, you know, I and I definitely feel this because I know we all have felt it. It’s been a challenging for a few years. You know, I think that really it shook a lot up. I know that we were working all throughout the entire pandemic, I mean, harder, right, it was it was more difficult, we sometimes have less resources. But I would say that what what my my view on it has been in what my you know, I’ve definitely tried to instill in my team is that it’s also an incredible time to reinvent ourselves. And I think we’ve had a lot of energy and momentum around that. And I think we’ve kept that with us that we have now this opportunity to really be the ones that you know, I think they they always mentioned, you know, on a lot of the chamber, national efforts, and a lot of the things we talked about this chamber boom, I think people looked at us all during the pandemic and said, I don’t know where to go, there’s a ton of information. I’m getting a million emails, it’s, it’s confusing, you know, where should I turn, and a lot of them turn to us. And I think taking advantage of that right now and saying, you know, we are having this amazing opportunity of being in this position in our communities? And how do we really take advantage of that to make sure that that continues, and that we remain that leader that people continue to look to. And I think that’s something that while it was challenging, we looked at it as an incredible opportunity, and one that we were happy to take on and take that position in our area. And one that you know, I always say we feel very humbled and honored always have that people find that, you know, we’re a resource to come to, and you know, that they’re looking to us for that. So I think just remaining up to that challenge. And looking at it as a cool time to reinvent is is one of the tips that I would get, because I think right now, in all of our communities, which are all going to be different yet sort of the same. You know, all these different aspects of what we’re looking to do every day, I would say are ones that, again, I think we can be the conveners of I think we can show our strength, I think that we can show different ways that we can continue to grow and evolve as chambers. And just like, again, taking advantage of, you know, the community, really wanting to embrace us right now and how the best way to do that and embracing the community. Being inclusive, being open, inviting new people to your table, I think is one of the key things that we’ve really, that’s what we’ve really focused on.

Brandon Burton 34:20
I love how you stay on brand to with reinventing I mean, that’s just the theme through this whole episode. So the next question I like asking everyone I have on the podcast, and he may have already touched on the answer with that last reply. But as we look to the future of chambers of commerce, how do you see the future of chambers and their purpose going forward?

Lindsay Griffin-Boylan 34:40
I think chambers will, as I kind of touched on a little bit, but I think chambers will continue to be that you know if they if they pivot and adapt to really what’s happening and really look at their communities and decide what gaps they’re going to fill. I think chambers will continue to make really great partnerships with their area that might be with others. chambers that might be with other organizations that are similar in their, in their scope, I think that the industry is going to have to continue to evolve. Like I said, I think this next generation coming up just doesn’t participate in the same way that paths have. So I think you’re going to have to find new ways to engage them, I always say I get very excited about this next generation, because they will be the most socially minded and entrepreneurial will have ever seen. So I’d say that you have to embrace that next generation coming in, and make sure that they are invited to sit at your table. If they are not, they will leave your area and go sit in a community, where are they are, because that’s the truth, they want to be involved with their area, they want to make change. And that’s, that’s a big fact of them. And it’s exciting to me, because we need a generation like that, that is going to really be the ones that that helped to make some positive change and be engaged. So I think that our industry is going to continue to make sure that diversity, equity and inclusion is a part of what how we’re operating now, I think we should all be looking at our boards or committees, our membership, making sure we’re representative, and we’re embracing the community we have and that we have resources for for everyone that, you know, are accessible. And I think that again, you’re gonna see a lot of chambers get into really cool, different stuff. I mean, I’m already seeing it with housing and transportation. And, you know, obviously, I know a lot of us are focused on workforce. But I think you’re going to see a lot of people come up with creative, you know, partnerships to be able to solve those issues and in turn stabilize their organizations, because I think it’s going to be a key for all of us to look at how do we stay in our communities? How do we stay relevant? How do we stay growing, and bring people on to do I know the massive amount of work all of us have, but you know, the work we’re excited to do and happy to do? So I think it’s going to be continuing to kind of adapt to those things, looking at your community and saying, Where are the gaps, what’s not being filled? Where we need it? And you know, how can we really fulfill that and get the right people on board with us, there’s never really a grab that you know, or program that we you’re going to see us do that as solo, I mean, we’re either working with a local economic health organization and other chamber, a different partner that may be involved. I think that that connectivity is also a huge piece that people need to embrace. No longer should we be in silos we should be working together, there’s too many problems to solve. Doing it together, I think is much more impactful. So I’d also say doing it as collaboration is something that I’m really hoping that that everyone else is also embracing.

Brandon Burton 37:33
I love that response. I especially like the the idea of looking to the future of this generation coming up being socially minded and entrepreneurial, and making sure that we invite them to have a seat at the table. And I think that plays well into the connectivity because these young professionals that are coming up. They may be working from home on a laptop individually in their own silo. But usually when we think of silos, we think, you know, different industries maybe or different areas of work. But I think those silos will look different as we go into the future and being able to help break those down and solve some of these bigger problems together. So thank you for that. I wanted to give you an opportunity Lindsey to share any contact information for listeners who’d like to reach out and connect with you and learn how you guys are doing things there at the Greater Wyoming Valley Chamber, what would be the best way for them to reach out and connect with you?

Lindsay Griffin-Boylan 38:25
Sure, thank you. So I can certainly be reached i Welcome to Talk to Anyone from the industry, I think it’s always one of the best things ever is to connect within our industry because I’ve learned so much every time and it’s just great to have others that are you know, kind of doing similar missions and getting new ideas. So I can be reached at my email, which is lindsay@wyomingvalleychamber.org. And that’s also can be found right on our website. I’m all of my team is accessible on there as well. So on our WyomingValleyChamber.org website, you’ll see my incredible team, what they focus in, you know, what their initiatives all are. So anything I talked to, I didn’t get to talk too much in detail today. But who manages you know, our di Council, our membership, all of our different networks, young professionals, all those types of things. The team is all on there and always happy to connect with anyone within the chamber world and ideas share.

Brandon Burton 39:19
That is perfect. I will get that in our show notes. And I appreciate the generosity and being able to connect with others and share ideas and help solve these problems together. I appreciate that Lindsey and thank you for spending time with us today here on chamber chat podcast. I feel like you’ve provided a lot of value for those listening for those who may be considering a rebrand of themselves or just that continual evolution and reinventing of the their chamber themselves. So thank you so much for that.

Lindsay Griffin-Boylan 39:46
Thank you so much.

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Doing Commerce in the Metaverse

Future of Chambers

As I interview guests on Chamber Chat Podcast, I always ask the same question at the end of each episode.  That question is “how do you see the future of chambers of commerce and their purpose going forward?”.  I get a lot of great answers to this question as it forces us to take a glimpse into the future. Of course nobody really knows what the future holds, but it is a good idea as hall of fame hockey player, Wayne Gretzky says to skate to where the puck is going.

In an effort to gain a better understanding of where the future is going, I believe it is a good idea to look at the habits, trends, and even addictions of the next generations.  One of the biggest trends or addictions that I notice is the widespread adoption of immersive role playing “games”.  I put games in quotation marks because as it may appear to be a game to older generations, the ones who are immersed in these platforms are living another life within that ecosystem.

Traditional Video Games vs. Metaverse Games

When I was growing up, my friends and I would get together to play Nintendo games.  We would play games like Super Mario Bros., Tecmo Super Bowl, and later Street Fighter II.  Each new gaming system would bring along greater capacity for more realistic graphics.  To play these games, we would insert a game cartridge into the gaming system.  We would play until the game was over, we were out of lifes, or until an upset sibling turned the system off.  The games of today are very different.  Today, these games are connected through the internet to other gaming devices and many of these games can be played on a variety of platforms (TV screen, PC, smartphone, etc.). 

Another differentiating factor is that these games don’t necessarily end.  A player has their avatar or character in a virtual world where they “live”.  These avatars have homes, cars, clothes, among other possessions that they can collect, purchase, or trade throughout their virtual experience.  Did you notice that I said purchase?  Yes, these avatars are purchasing goods and services within the virtual world.  They are doing commerce.  

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Metaverse Now

When we hear or talk about the Metaverse, it is really an abstract concept of virtual worlds.  We tend to think about how this might look in the future while ignoring that this is happening NOW!  The next generations are already plugged into the Metaverse and doing commerce there.  

What grabbed my attention around this topic is the annual sales from the top three virtual or Metaverse platforms in comparison to one of the top real goods online retailers.  The combined annual sales of Roblox ($2.206B), Fortnite ($5.8B), and Minecraft ($380M) is $8.386B while Etsy, one of the top online retailers for real goods, has a total annual sales of $2.414B.  These three Metaverse games are out performing Etsy by 4X!  Is that worth taking note of?

Some of the world’s biggest companies and brands are starting to create digital products specifically for the Metaverse.  Nike has even launched virtual shoes.  Many of these brands are tying their digital products to an NFT which is also connected to a physical product.

Doing Digital Commerce

So, again, as we look to the future, if we look at those people who will be doing business and commerce in the future, what can we learn?  We learn that they are already comfortable with conducting business through a screen, a headset, and even an avatar.  We learn that their world is much smaller than the world a traditional business person might be used to.  When we are not limited by geography a whole new world of possibilities opens up.

As a chamber leader, I would suggest you spend some time with your children or grandchildren to learn more about what their virtual worlds look like.  Find out what they enjoy about their virtual experiences.  I believe that soon enough, we will no longer call these virtual worlds or virtual experiences, they will just be integrated into our everyday lives.

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It may be worth your time to bring on an intern who can help to make the connection between traditional business and virtual commerce.  Once your chamber members see that the puck is going in this direction, they will need to lean on their chamber to get up to speed quickly.  Now is the time for you to learn so you can help your member businesses pivot as the ecosystem matures.  There is space for every chamber of commerce in the Metaverse world.  There will also be a huge upside for those who partake in the first mover advantage.


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Authentic Leadership with Dale Wilsher

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Introduction

Brandon Burton 0:00
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You’re joining us today for it’s episode 190 with Dale Wilsher. Dale is a certified life and leadership coach, trainer and DISC personality profiles as well as a keynote speaker and award winning author, pressure to be all things to all people for years in her life. Dale now helps professionals understand their own distinction, their individual personality, passion and purpose so they can do meaningful work, create high functioning teams and contribute at their highest level. Dale, I’m excited to have you with us today on Chamber Chat Podcast, I’d love for you to take a moment to say hello to all the Chamber Champions that are listening and share something interesting about yourself so you can tell you a little better.

Dale Wilsher 1:50
Well, thanks so much, Brandon. Yeah, I’m Dale Wiltshire, and I’m here in Boulder, Colorado, and you gave the whole bio piece. So I love what I do. I’ve been doing this for about 10 years as a coach, I’ve been speaking for about 15 years when I started speaking, I was making popery and Starbucks cards. So I’ve definitely been able to level that up a little bit. Make speak in a way that I can sleep indoors and pay the rest of the bills. So you know lots of good things in the work that I get to do with people and helping them understand their strengths and their stories. So they can make the most of their time and their attention. And their talent. I you know, it’s a lot of pressure on what’s interesting about you, I was thinking about what’s interesting about, you know, other people in my life, my family, but I would say right now I’m in in the middle of training for a half marathon. So I got frozen shoulder when we hit the pandemic, and it took me out of everything, I ended up having a dislocated shoulder. So I couldn’t even run or bounce, you know, like whatever the I couldn’t do any of it. So I’m pretty excited. We’re we’ll do the 10 mile run this Sunday. And I’m doing it with my best friend and two of my daughters. And if one doesn’t show up, she has to pay me back. So I’m covered.

Brandon Burton 3:02
That’s awesome. Got your backup plan?

Yes, yeah, no, that is awesome. So tell us a little bit about your organization, the work that you do. I mean, you touched on it just briefly there. But who’s kind of your ideal client that you work with? And kind of yeah, go down that rabbit hole?

Dale Wilsher 3:22
Yeah, well, the business officially is called your authentic personality. And that really speaks to a lot of work I do to help people find authentic direction to be able to help them find more definition, I don’t believe you have good direction until you have a clearer definition of who you are. And especially in terms of your personality, your authentic personality, I do a lot of work with clients on their masks. So I work with a lot of purpose driven professionals in the chamber world is one area, but I work with people in a multitude of environments and different types of jobs, settings and industries. But they’re always purpose driven. They want to understand how to bring more of themselves and what matters to them into the work that they do. Because according to all the research on meaning, that’s how you engage most deeply. And to me, that’s based on your design, how you really contribute, what you’ve been, you know, designed to, to offer the world. So I help through a number of processes and tools and tips. And then I’ll work with people on their limiting beliefs, some of the things that hold you back from living out that distinction, usually in terms of emotional regulation, kind of weak or lame boundaries, and I work with a lot of women. So I see that quite a bit. I’ve never seen a woman come to the planet with good boundaries. And then those limiting beliefs. There’s so much that kind of subtly resides in our subconscious that is holding us back from all that we can do. And to me, that’s the greatest crime is really not tapping all that you were meant to do. So I want people to leave nothing on the table.

Brandon Burton 4:56
I love that tackling those limiting beliefs. My kids will tell you I preach to them all the time about discovering their potential and not leaving anything on the

Dale Wilsher 5:04
table. Right. That’s great. We’re right there with each other. Yeah,

Brandon Burton 5:08
absolutely. So for those listening, you and I, we got to actually meet in person before doing this podcast at the Mako chamber conference a couple months ago. And that’s kind of a rare opportunity for me to meet my guests in person before. So usually I do the interview, and then maybe at a conference later, I’ll get to meet these people in person. So we did this kind of backwards, which was awesome. So,

Dale Wilsher 5:35
so fun. It was so great to meet you. We were both in like our vendor tables. But I got to be the closing keynote at that event, which was delightful. I also got to talk about, you know, leading confidently in your personality type. And I think I finished that with how to keep the urgent from hijacking what’s important, which requires that you really know your authentic values. So it’s all kind of in line with the stuff I love to do.

Brandon Burton 5:58
Absolutely. And that segues right into our topic for our discussion today around authentic leadership. We’ll dive into that discussion as soon as we get back from this quick break.

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Alright, Dale, we’re back. So as we talk about authentic leadership, what does that mean, as far as you know, what is what is authentic? What is real? And how do you? How do you discover that as a leader?

Topic-Authentic Leadership

Dale Wilsher 9:12
Yeah, well, and, you know, LinkedIn did a survey not too long ago, and they had about 16,000 people respond with their definition of what leadership was, and they had so many different words, values that came up everything from inspiration and wisdom and influence and credibility and energy. You know, just almost as many definitions for leadership as there are probably people who lead and people who are lead, so I’ll leave the leadership. These were the people who are leading influencing guiding teams and organizations, you know, to action. So there’s the leadership piece, authentic leadership. You know, there’s a number of ways to describe that Sheryl Sandberg talked about you know, bringing your whole self to work and and making sure that you know, you’re you’re not just a profession

is no self during the week and a personal self and authenticity has a consistency to it. So there should be the same personality that you are at home, you’re bringing to work. And I, like I mentioned before I work with a lot of people who are wearing personality masks. So trying to really understand what is their original design, because if you’re working out of a mask, you’re going to work twice as hard for half the results. So, you know, it’s bringing that I believe it’s bringing your values into action, really aligning with what matters most to you. So you have to be able to clarify those, so that you can get in the driver’s seat of them and not just kind of bump into them now and again, and then also your purpose, each person has one why you don’t have a professional, why and a personal why you have one. So how can you bring that to bear as the leader to be able to influence your organization, your members, your staff, whoever it might be? I love that. So I find that that LinkedIn survey intriguing, because you hear all the time people employees say, Oh, he was the worst leader ever, or, you know, she was an amazing leader, it’s great to find that and everybody’s perspective, you know, tends to lead to a different result as far as what that definition is. Absolutely.

Sorry. As I say,

Brandon Burton 11:15
I like being able to hone that down into what is authentically you and not having these different personality masks. But go in with your thought.

Dale Wilsher 11:23
Yeah, I forgot my thoughts. So um, yeah, it is, it is all about being real. And then I say, finding out what is real because I see it if you kind of look at truth, if authenticity is a form of truth, there’s like the little T truth, which is that courage to admit your weaknesses, it’s what’s true right now, that’s what a lot of people talk about to be vulnerable, a lot of the work by Brene, brown and bringing that so that people can be human. They’re not burning out all that kind of stuff. But then it is finding what is real, because that is this discovery toward you know, what is your best self? What are you capable of? Because we can and I do hear it from time to time, use authenticity as an excuse to kind of stay in our comfort zone. It’s like, oh, that’s not natural for me. Oh, that just doesn’t feel right. And then we never quite stretched ourselves into what can be the best parts of ourselves. So it’s, it’s kind of a broad, broad concept.

Brandon Burton 12:19
Yeah, that kind of goes back to the limiting beliefs. What do you say, Oh, that’s not me. Yeah, all the excuses become limiting factors. But I like how you’ve mentioned these personality masks, as well, as you work with clients, and they gain the courage, I guess, to remove that personality mask that work mask to show who they authentically are. What is that like for an individual because it I imagine it does take courage to change who you presented yourself as for, you know, a certain amount of time in a public scene versus your authentic self.

Dale Wilsher 12:54
So, so true, it takes a lot of courage. And what we know from DISC personality results is that at least 20% of the population is wearing a mask at any given time. And I always see this when usually most of us have a major and a minor personality type. And I work out of the four basic personality types, but there are compatible blends. And when you’re looking at opposite blends, usually one of those is the mask like usually you’re partnered up married to your opposite, making you think you should be more like them. Or maybe they think you should be more like them. So it gets confusing family culture, corporate culture, can say that you should be one way versus another that bias. So to be able, I find to help people, first of all, figure out if they’re wearing a mask, and they’re, you know, filling kind of an internal conflict or confusion about who you’re supposed to be. We see burnout patterns and chameleon patterns that can let us know if that’s there. But to be able to bring who you are, first of all, I think you have to see what is really good about that personality type, most of us overvalue other people’s strengths and we undervalue our own, we assume that because we do it, it doesn’t take any talent, it’s not really that big of a deal. So I always start with helping people really understand what the foundation of that personality is, and what the gifts are that you bring that the rest of us really can’t touch. So I think it starts there. And then it’s a matter of growth because personalities 5050 50% is in your DNA. And then the other 50% is influenced and experience. You know, we’re all very unique, but that other 50% That’s really the study of epigenetics, which is the study of nurture, and what happens and when you are in a culture that does not really favor or kind of allow for your personality type, protein expression can get turned off. So truly, you’re not able to grow your strengths if you’re not using them or you don’t see what’s really good about them. So I find that when people take those masks off, first of all, there is a great sense of relief. There is a great So fear, like, What’s everybody gonna think now. And then there’s this process of allowing protein expression to be turned on. But according to the Gallup organization, you will move much faster when you’re working in the lane of your strengths. So it’s not like if you’ve been turned off for 30 years, it’s gonna take you another 30, it can happen very quickly. But you need to know what your strengths are your authentic strings to really start to grow those adding skills, adding knowledge, and just spending time in them. So yeah,

Brandon Burton 15:29
yeah, that is a topic of epigenetics in general is wow, like, you can dive in deep on that. And, and the whole idea is, it’s above genetics. So people say, Hey, I’m genetically predisposed to, you know, have breast cancer or have this you know, alcoholism or, you know, different character traits or whatnot. And epigenetics is above that. So you can change, you can literally change how your genes act and react based on nurture and things like you’re talking about. So I want to get us closer back to chamber. Oh, this is all?

Dale Wilsher 16:04
Yes, we were talking human world. Yes.

Brandon Burton 16:06
Right. Right. So as we look at chambers, how can a chamber benefit from authentic leadership?

Dale Wilsher 16:14
Yeah, I think it is really, I see in the chamber world that a lot of CEOs and directors are one of the personality types, which is the high on the disc, that is the social butterfly, that’s because that’s naturally what they do is connect to people, connect people with others promote people. So I see a lot of that. So when I talk to chamber professionals, I mostly hear people bringing that element of, you know, I create a lot of trust, because I’m able to share openly because that’s the nature of their personality type or I value connection. And so my members feel like they’re safe, and we care. So we can help their businesses grow, because they’ll lean into us, because I’m being authentic. Now, this could happen with any of the four. But there is this piece that’s really about trust, and connection and care. And it’s, you know, a part of Google did a study about high functioning teams, you know, and one of the biggest pieces of that is there’s got to be psychological safety. And part of that is feeling like you’re understood, you’re known and who you are. So they felt like being able to bring their authentic self gave their members especially permission to be their authentic selves, as well. So, you know, and I’ve talked to so many people who said, you know, all eyes are on us, you know, like, we want one of my CEO said, you know, I’m like a Disney World character, like people know, kind of watch. You know, I, when I’m out at my daughter’s soccer game, people know who I am, I’m committed to my community. But I need to be the same at the soccer game as I am in my business. And she works very hard to do that. So that’s exciting to see that people can trust her because there is that consistency there.

Brandon Burton 17:57
So in the chamber world, I see a lot of these chamber professionals, they might look to others, their peers in the industry, and say, well, this person is that social butterfly, this person, you know, shows that sincere care for each of their Chamber members, and how to help their business succeed. So IMS do the same thing. I need to template myself the way you know someone so does that conducts their chamber. So I do believe that there’s some value to be learned by by looking at your peers and taking notes as to what they do. But how do you how does one kind of resolve that conflict if they feel like I’m not naturally that social butterfly, and I’m super uncomfortable, you know, more, maybe more of an introvert, and I’m feeling forced to go this direction?

Dale Wilsher 18:45
Well, and that comes back to really understanding what your style is, what your leadership style is, because each of these four types has a leadership style. You know, it’s not just one type that fits into the chamber world and other types don’t, but it is getting really, I think, familiar with that style. Again, what’s great about that, let’s say that you were the approver, which is the see on the desk, they’re careful and cautious, very conscientious. So that builds trust simply by the nature of everything that happens usually gets done, they do things for the right reason, they have a ton of integrity. And so in meeting with their people, they would do better to meet one on one, say, you know, they’re going to do the big group, you know, ribbon cuttings and different types of events. But they’re probably going to tap their source of genius by really meeting with people one on one and getting to know them and have it using those great listening skills and letting people know who they are authentically so that those can be valued, like they can be trusted for that reason. So I advocate always to know what your true personality type is so that you feel like that that’s a great thing. And you might be representing for a different personality type. Your membership is made up of every single type. So we need an understanding to create kind of a culture of So in respect of all the different types, it’s like I always say personality is like a set of glasses that you come to the planet with. And you kind of think everybody’s wearing the same one. And then when you’re like, What are you doing? Or what are you thinking, like, you know, if you if you escaped it for years, in your adult life, when you have children, you’re like, What is wrong with you? Or at times, you can think what’s wrong with me, it’s because they have this different set of glasses, different priorities, different motivators, different fears. So to understand that means you’re going to understand your people better. And I think it creates that, again, that real feeling that thing that inspires trust. So any of these can lead extremely well,

Brandon Burton 20:38
like that. So it doesn’t mean that you don’t have to not do those things that make you uncomfortable, you may have to do it from time to time, but lean into those strengths that you have to show. Yeah, I like that answer. So what type of things make authenticity hard in the chamber world?

Dale Wilsher 20:57
Yeah, well, because you are always being watched in that sense that people know you in the community, you’re a figure that people recognize there is that that fear of some? Well, I talked to one of my CEOs who said, you know, there’s one board member who is actually, as we talked, we were able to figure out, it was the opposite of her personality type. But that was just not going well, this person actually was not her fan, the board member and so to be able to bring her authentic personality out felt like even more of a risk, she felt like that was going to be used against her and sees those were the improvers that I mentioned the careful and cautious they are naturally more private. So they did not like her sharing. And they felt like they at one point the person said, Stop trying to be vulnerable with us. And so, you know, that is a danger in kind of like how do you respect other people’s wishes and still bring who you are. Now that was just one person who was kind of alone in their thought process. But that’s it, you can seem unprofessional, if you have a more exposed, more sharing kind of open personality type. And so to understand, sometimes I just explain, you know, like my personality type as a D, I move fast. And so sometimes because I value people’s time now if I let them know that then then they can kind of give me a little bit of grace, when they feel like Dale, you’re being abrupt Oh, thank you for letting me know, but they understand where it’s coming from. So I think there’s personality misunderstandings that can happen, because again, your membership and your board, membership is going to be completely different than you there’s the judgment that you get. And like that board member, I’ll just read really quick, there’s a favorite line I have from the Velveteen Rabbit, which is about this little rabbit, who is a stuffed animal who wants to become real. And this is the quote, this is the old wise horse in the nursery, who is the one with all the wisdom, he says generally, by the time you’re real, most of your hair has been loved off, and your eyes drop out, and you get loose in the joints and very shabby. But these things don’t matter at all. Because once you’re real, you can’t be ugly, except to people who don’t understand. And I think just knowing that there will always be people who don’t understand. But by and large, when you’re getting feedback, to be able to be vulnerable is is always going to model for other people that they too can be vulnerable. So I think while it’s a risk, it’s a risk that’s worth it. And hopefully, she’ll still get the help she needs.

Brandon Burton 23:39
So, maybe circling back a little bit to that LinkedIn study where there’s there’s these different leadership expectations. And whether it’s coming from your board or from Members, is there a way to approach your authentic leadership style and say, to your, whether it’s to your board or your membership, this is me, this is where I perform best, I’ll still do these things. But I need a little bit of grace in you know, making this transition or removing this mask or whatever it is to show your authentic self.

Dale Wilsher 24:09
I think you said it beautifully. And if you were depending on if you what your skill set is your strengths are whether you do that one on one, whether you do that at a group meeting. And knowing that you know the the two personality types that are relational, they always want to morph and bend to accommodate relationships that are a little bit more round because they want to be able to do that the other two are more task based. And they’re a little bit more square. They have kind of more structure and so just letting people know where you’re coming from but inviting that feedback and having those honest conversations about your personality, your style, and always having that openness to say I want to make sure that I’m not using that kind of excused authenticity like I’m sorry that’s not me. I can’t go there. You know a mass forms not when we accommodate someone stuff. While the opposite type for me is the s, that’s the stabilizer. It’s the biggest portion of the population. It’s a more soft spoken individual hearts for service. I see them a lot in nonprofits, but they, you know, they do things differently. So I need to bring down my my speed, and my volume, literally, extroverts have more volume I need to accommodate. But mass comes in when you start to think that’s who I’m supposed to be. So it’s, it’s still accommodating what people might need, understanding where they’re coming from, but having the courage to bring out yourself so that everybody else because if we don’t, we are not allowing people to bring their best. So I just think the understanding of personality is huge.

Brandon Burton 25:42
So this thought just came to me as you’re giving that response, because it’s very much, you know, our discussion is very much focused on the leader and their authentic leadership, as a leader, how much should it play into your conversations with others about what their styles may be?

Dale Wilsher 26:01
I think if you want to grow your people, it’s crucial if you want to keep your people, I mean, one element of finding meaning at work, which is what everybody is looking for, which increases engagement, and increases retention is that you’re known that people understand who you are, and what matters to you. And they’re helping you bring out your strengths. So I think if you’re bringing in a disc trainer, or you’re doing something that allows people to be able to be known, and don’t just take the test, and like put it in the file, I see that a lot in hiring. And then they’re like, I don’t even know what my results were, I mean, it, it needs to be kind of a living, active thing to understand, so that you can help develop your people. That’s what everyone is looking for a place to grow and develop into their true self. And if you can align work with that kind of element, then everyone wants to stay, everyone wants to engage. And it’s also like, we’re not supposed to be everything to everyone, but your team can be, you know, we are supposed to live out of our strengths. And together, then we are a well rounded team. So we don’t want well rounded individuals, we want well rounded teams, because that creates appreciation, and giving people space to really kind of live in their zone of genius grow that.

Brandon Burton 27:19
I think that’s fantastic. As we as as we start wrapping things up here, I wanted to ask you, if maybe for a tip or an action item for chambers listening, who’d like to maybe take their chamber to the next level, what would be something that you’d offer from maybe from our discussion today that they could implement?

Action Item/Tip for Chamber Champions

Dale Wilsher 27:40
Well, you can imagine, I’m gonna say just know your personality type. But also know your values, I find that 75% of a person’s values align with their personality type. And so there are a number of ways to do that I have, I have courses, I work with people individually, it’s not a long process, but it does need to be an authentic process, don’t get a whole list and just go shopping, because that’s when you just pick everything you’re like, Well, who am I, if I don’t pick generosity, you know, like, I’m just selfish son of a gun. So you got to be careful. But defining more, I would say, take a disk, if you’ve taken disk before, you know, get them out, have a meeting to really review who everybody is and what their value is to the team. Those are always in those reports, I have a disc test on my, on my website, which is your authentic personality.com that anyone can take, of course, I do that kind of training for groups. But I just think whatever you can do, whether use StrengthsFinder by the Gallup organization, but really get something that’s simple, that allows people to understand themselves, but also other people on their team. It’s not enough just to dive into your own personal growth, you need to understand how you relate to others, and how to bring out the best in them as well.

Brandon Burton 28:56
I love that. And I think a lot of chambers are familiar with these personality tests and trying to figure things out. But for those that maybe have put it away in a file, or you know, it’s in a drawer somewhere, pull it out, maybe do it again, I don’t know how often personalities change over time, but I imagined for some, you know, over a course of a career might change a little bit. But as we look to the future of chambers, how do you see the future of chambers and their purpose going forward?

Future of Chambers

Dale Wilsher 29:27
I think the future is strong. If you know according to the Small Business Association, you know, only 1% of companies are large organizations, you know, 99% are small businesses and to that to chamber serve. And so this to me is the heart and soul of our community. Having gone through the pandemic, we all know that we need each other we need to be in contact with each other. We’re again we’re together we’re a well rounded team we will there’s always things we don’t know there’s that humility to say I can learn from others. If people can help promote me connect me. So I think that as long as we have people and communities, and we have an economy, chambers will be strong and so, so needed.

Brandon Burton 30:11
Yeah. I love that. And we have learned a lot through the pandemic about the need of chambers. But the point you make about 99% of businesses being small businesses, a lot of them are just trying to figure out the next step the next day, you know, so having a great resource such as the Chamber of Commerce is so vital to their success. Absolutely. So Dale, I like to give you an opportunity to share any contact information, you’d mentioned your website. But if you’d like to plug that again, what would be the best way for someone to reach out and connect with you if they’d like to learn more about the work? You do? Yeah,

Connect with Dale Wilsher

Dale Wilsher 30:47
thank you, Brandon. It is a going to the website. It’s yourauthenticpersonality.com. There’s a contact page. If you have any questions, and those come right to my email, I always answer every single one of those there’s a personality tab at the top, we’ve got some fun quizzes, we’ve got some videos. If you want to do that, if you want to look at disk training, again, reach out, any of the information will head home to my email, and I’m happy to be a resource in any way I can. So your authentic personality.com

Brandon Burton 31:20
That’s awesome. And we’ll get that in our show notes for this episode, which will be found at chamberchatpodcast.com/episode190. But Dale, this has been fun to reconnect with you and to have you on the podcast. So thank you for taking the time to be with us today. And I look forward to to everybody learning more about their authentic leadership styles and making a bigger impact.

Dale Wilsher 31:42
Absolutely. Thank you so much, Brandon. It’s great to see you again, too.

Brandon Burton 31:47
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Automated New Member Onboarding

Chambers are Busy

No matter the size of your chamber, there never seems to be enough time in the day to get everything done.  As a result, we tend to prioritize the most urgent tasks to be done first.  This constant triage of tasks inevitably leads to certain tasks falling lower and lower on the proverbial to-do list.  We may not notice the cost of procrastinating some tasks until it is too late.  One of these tasks that can easily fall by the wayside is new member onboarding.  This article will explain the benefits of creating an automation series to onboard new members.

Traditionally, many chambers of commerce will assign a chamber ambassador to help orient a new member on everything the chamber has to offer.  I know you probably have fantastic ambassadors.  Ambassadors tend to be those who are hyper-involved and want to be a part of everything the chamber is doing.  This is great.  These ambassadors also have businesses and families to run, and life to live.  Your ambassadors are also human and subject to human error.  Inevitably something will slip through the cracks, not on purpose, but missed nonetheless.  

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Email Onboarding

By creating an automated email onboarding campaign, you can drip feed relevant information to new members while also making sure all of the basics are covered.  By setting up the expectation with your new members to be on the lookout for emails, maybe on a weekly basis to help them get the most out of their membership, then you have their attention.

As new members join your chamber, it is always a good practice to learn more about the reason(s) they decided to join and what their expectations are.  Are they a transactional member or a transformational member?  Should they be connected with your young professionals group or a senior service alliance?  By gaining this knowledge, you can create an experience for them where you are connecting them with appropriate events, committees, and people.  This information will also help you decide what information you send them in your onboarding email series.  

Relevant Communication

Sara Ray from the Douglas County Chamber was a guest on the podcast a couple months ago and she dove in deep about creating relevant and personalized communication.  If you are at all interested in this topic, I would highly recommend you going back to listen to that episode.

As much as you may disagree, not every member needs to get an email about your next luncheon or mixer.  You should segment your email audience to only deliver the most relevant information to each recipient.  Mass email campaigns run the risk of finding their way into junk or spam folders if there is not enough engagement by the recipients.  

There are many software options out there for sending automated emails.  If you are like many other chambers, then you are likely using Constant Contact, or possibly MailChimp.  These have been the most common options that I have seen.  Setting up an automated email onboarding series will require some dedicated attention to get started, but that brainpower and attention should only need to focus on this task one time versus creating a custom response every time a new member has a question.  Your goal should be to put yourself in the new member’s shoes and provide answers to the questions that they have before they ever ask the question.  I had once heard a quote that said something like “if you can define the problem better than your customer, then they will assume you have the answer”.  Defining your member’s problems or needs before they ask will also build credibility that your chamber understands what their expectations are.

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I am not the expert in creating email automation campaigns, but Sara Ray and the Douglas County Chamber have a great template.  Google will also provide some great tips and resources to get you started. There are also online trainings available across the web that can help to shortcut your learning curve drastically.

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Depending on the size of your chamber, a 7% increase in your membership renewal rate could be a substantial amount of revenue, not only from the increase in membership dues but also the non-dues value that comes from retaining these members for a longer period of time.

Create Deeper Member Relationships

We now live in a time where AI learns our habits.  Predictive text assists our typing by showing us the word or phrase that we were going to type letter by letter with a simple keystroke or tap on our screen.  We have a curated viewing experience on platforms like Netflix.  Our attention spans no longer allow for the extra clutter.  No matter what platform you decide to use, it is important to your relevance to only send emails to your members that they will care about.  This will result in building a more meaningful relationship with each of your members while freeing up some of your bandwidth.


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LinkedIn for Membership with Jordan Clemons

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Below is an auto-generated transcription of my conversation with Jordan Clemons. Because this is auto-generated there are likely some grammatical errors but it is still a useful tool to search text within this podcast episode.

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Introduction

Brandon Burton 0:00
This is the Chamber Chat Podcast, the show dedicated to chamber professionals to spark ideas and to get actionable tips and strategies to better serve your members and community.

Voiceover Talent 0:14
And now your host. He has seen many great opportunities come out of LinkedIn connections is my dad Brandon Burton.

Brandon Burton 0:22
Hello Chamber Champions. Welcome to the Chamber Chat Podcast. I’m your host Brandon Burton, and it’s my goal to introduce you to people and ideas to better help you serve your Chamber members and your community.

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Guest Introduction

Our guest for this episode is Jordan Clemons Jordan is a senior investor Development Manager at Greater Louisville Inc, the Metro Chamber of Commerce in Louisville, Kentucky. His role at GLI is to work with their 1700 Plus investors to facilitate connections and foster goodwill among the Louisville business community. In his role, LinkedIn plays a paramount role in developing new relationships and staying top of mind in the local community using LinkedIn Jordan as his primary prospecting tool. Jordan has exceeded his sales goals for 2021 and is on track to do even better for 2022. Jordan, I’m excited to have you with me here on chamber tap podcast. I’d love for you to take a moment to say hello to all Chamber Champions. and share something interesting about yourself so we can all get to know you a little better. Yeah. Hey,

Jordan Clemons 2:35
Brandon, thank you so much for having me. And it will come as no surprise to anyone listening after hearing that bio that Brandon not and I met on LinkedIn. So a testament to the platform right there. I’m really excited to get into this topic. I’ve been giving a lot of talks presentations I’ve spoken at the last two ACCE sales conferences in LinkedIn has been a topic that people ask about time and time again. So there’s a need for it out there and I’m here to try to deliver that knee but As Brandon mentioned, Jordan, I work at the Louisville Chamber of Commerce here greater Louisville, Inc. Interesting fact about me, I guess. I’ve got twin two year olds, twin two and a half year old boy and a girl. I’m looking at them right now on my desktop wallpaper. So when I think of interesting facts, that’s that’s my other job in life is being a dad to them, and they keep me extremely busy.

Brandon Burton 3:37
That will keep you running. I’ve myself, I’ve got four kids, but my youngest two were 14 months apart. And so like as one was walking, the other was crawling and was just constantly chasing one, you know, different directions, but yeah, keeps you in shape. That’s right. Yeah, that’s for sure. Well, tell us a little bit about GLA kind of size staff budget, just to give everyone kind of perspective. I mean, we know Louisville and being a Metro Chamber, but just kind of give us some perspective for our discussion.

Jordan Clemons 4:08
Yeah, absolutely. So Louisville is blessed to have a few chambers here. We’re sort of big, small town as far as Jefferson County goes. So we have a few neighborhood chambers here in town. But when you were thinking about goI critical voices, were the Metro Chamber of Commerce, so we encompass 10 counties in Kentucky, and five in southern Indiana. So if you’re looking at the map, and you put Jefferson County in the middle, it’s a pretty big circle around all of that. So that’s our MSA. That is the region that we’re working to grow. So we’re agnostic as far as Kentucky, Indiana County, we’re really just looking to bring economic growth to the region as a whole. So that’s sort of our thing growing the regional economy. at GE ally we have it hovers around 1700 to 1800 investors more on the on the top side and our staff is around 30. We do work in economic development, talent, workforce policy and advocacy, business development for our investors, which is the word the part that I work in the traditional chamber side. Budget, I think it’s 5 million plus somewhere around there. So as far as the categories of ACCE we compete and the top category for the awards and things like that, did that answer all your questions? Brandon, did I miss anything? Yeah,

Brandon Burton 5:29
no, that’s, that’s good. Sometimes people will, you know, have some added information in there. But yeah, I think you covered it all. So that’s it. It’s interesting with more of that regional focus, and to not be agnostic, like you said to Kentucky, but even focusing on some of those bordering counties in Indiana, and looking for the overall growth of the region, I think is great. It’s great approach.

Jordan Clemons 5:52
Yes, absolutely. I mean, what’s good for southern Indiana is good for us, too. We’ve really seen a big boom, over there. The last few years, Google has seen a huge boom as well. So it sort of bleeds across the river. And we’re more than happy to see development over there.

Brandon Burton 6:05
Right. So as Jordan mentioned, our topic we’re going to focus on LinkedIn, specifically LinkedIn for growing your membership at your chamber. And we’ll get into this discussion as soon as we get back from this quick break.

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Topic-LinkedIn for Membership

All right, Jordan, we’re back. So you came recommended to me it’s kind of a roundabout way that we we ended up connecting and like you said LinkedIn was our first interaction with each other which is very fitting for this topic. But the idea of using LinkedIn for membership, I think is an interesting thing. I don’t know that a lot of chambers have really dived in to exploring LinkedIn on this one. level, they might connect with some of their members. But I’m excited to learn some of these strategies that you’ve employed and what’s working for you. And let’s just jump in there and tell us kind of how you came around to using LinkedIn as a tool, and how things have evolved for you.

Jordan Clemons 10:18
Sure, yeah, I’m gonna get up on the soapbox. And if you need to knock down, please do it. But I spend a lot of time up here. And I’m very comfortable here. And I think that there’s a lot to say. So I’ll try to be as brief as I can. It was, so I wasn’t always working at Goi. I was previously a financial advisor before this. And when I started as a financial advisor, I had no experience in sales or networking, or talking to people over coffee, all of the things that are crucially important to sales and crucially important to the job I do now. So I was at a conference, and I heard this guy speak, his name is Kevin Canibal. And he’s this sales coach, the old school scale sales coach, and he gave this presentation on how to use LinkedIn, for financial advisors, financial advisors, traditionally door knocked people and cold call, you know, it’s a numbers game. That’s exactly what they did. And that’s the advice that I got when I started was go knock on some doors. So I did it for done. Yeah. Yeah, I mean, I, I had to tell myself, I didn’t just totally ignore the advice. But I knew there was a better way to get people to know like, and trust you. So when I saw this talk from Kevin, this light bulb clicked, I took his course, it was sort of like an intro to LinkedIn, and just a way to look at it. But it was geared specifically for financial advisors. So I used his approach for years and years in that in that role, a lot less freedom, compliance wise, and everything like that. But when I came over here to goI three years ago, I had in place the perfect network, the perfect platform, the perfect strategy, to supercharge my efforts here and make myself known and seen and seen as a thought leader in the business community using this platform that I had gotten really familiar with, over the last few years. So now or I’ve gotten three years into this, it’s it’s, it’s exploded, it is.

It is my basically source 100% of my business, through LinkedIn, by just employing a very simple strategy every single day. And I can sort of go into that I can go into the philosophy of why it’s such an important place to be for someone in the chamber world. Let me just try to start there. Yeah, yeah, because I talk about the strategy sometimes. And I think it’s better to talk about the why, versus the how first, because if you don’t really understand what makes LinkedIn different from other social media platforms, none of which I’m a huge fan of, then it’s not really gonna stick. So LinkedIn is purely for business networking, you can caveat that with, it’s great to shout out your promotions on there. It’s great to humble brag about your community volunteer experience, all that stuff’s great. But the whole point of LinkedIn is to connect business professionals, and to advance your career. And both of those things are symbiotic because the more connections you have, and the more robust your network is, the more resources you have at your disposal, when you’re trying to climb the ladder, or make a lateral move, or whatever that is. So sometimes people get lost in understanding exactly what the platform is there for. It’s your online resume. It’s your online Rolodex, if that’s even a word that people use anymore. I have it’s my outsource brain. For business. I’ve got like 10,000 Plus connections, most of them are here in the market. And when I’m trying to recall how I know someone where they work at what we’ve talked about, it’s all there. It’s not in our it’s not in my CRM I use for sales at work, because that’s all manual data inputting. It lives on LinkedIn. And guess what, whenever you talk to people and they end up moving jobs, LinkedIn knows that if they update their profile, you don’t have to put that information in your you’re notified of it, even if you have that notification turned on. So for someone whose job is to be in the business community, to know what’s happening in the business community, to talk to people in the business community, to stay engaged with them and to be seen and known as a thought leader in the business community. It’s it’s like the perfect perfect platform. And it’s it’s it’s not hard to use, that’s the other. That’s the other piece that I think people get tripped up on, they might understand exactly what I’ve just said. And, you know, that might be copacetic with their way of thinking, but then they’re like, Okay, that sounds great. But I’ve got no experience using the platform at all. It’s, it feels weird and awkward and indifferent to me, but it’s really not it, you just got to kind of find your voice. And I did that over a number of years. And I hope people do that all the time these days.

Brandon Burton 15:29
Yeah. And I think that’s important to cover that, that philosophy and kind of the thinking behind it. And one of the things you mentioned is showing that you’re a thought leader in the space or in your community, what are in maybe I’m getting into more of the steps and strategy of how you do that, of how you go about using LinkedIn. But I want to make sure we touch on that part about becoming a thought leader in showing that you’re a thought leader. So as we go through strategy, let’s make sure that we cover that as well.

Jordan Clemons 16:01
Yeah, I mean, you can find a ton of people on LinkedIn that are doing this already, to, to great success, you know, you think of great sales, mentors, and people that have really carved out their niche. And the thing that they’re really good at, you can find them on LinkedIn and look at this content that they’re putting out in the post that they’re putting out, they’ve established themselves at this thought leader about whatever it is that they do. And when you work in the chamber world, your job is so dynamic, and you talk to so many people and do so many interesting things. There’s just an abundance of content that you can create. And it’s really, you know, creating content seems like oh, I don’t know how to use Canva. That’s not for me. No, it’s just writing about what you do and pulling out the amazing camera that’s in your pocket and your smartphone, snapping some pictures while you’re out. And then tagging people and sharing them. It’s it’s not super hard.

Brandon Burton 16:54
Yeah. That’s great. So let’s let’s dive into some of the strategy then about how to you. So you, I think you’ve established you need to kind of create a base show that you’re a thought leader, and what’s next, how do you go about making those connections? How do you decide who to reach out to? And how do you do it in a way that doesn’t seem salesy, you’re like you’re, you’re coming at him to strictly for a membership and come join GLA?

Jordan Clemons 17:21
Yeah, absolutely. So I’m glad that you position that last part, because that’s exactly the way that this strategy works. And, and I, every conversation that I have, is, is a warm conversation, there are no cold conversations like zip zero, none, I do zero cold calling, zero cold outreach to anyone, obviously, that’s like, that’s a crucial part of your, that should be a crucial part of your sales strategy. If you’re newer to LinkedIn or newer in your sales role, or not to say that it doesn’t have a place, but this is where it can get is what I mean by that. So I’m gonna, I’ll tell you the steps, and they’re just gonna sound super easy. I’ll go into each of them. Yeah. But it’s almost like they’re so easy. They’re the people who really don’t understand how to take them or they’re disarming. So this is what I do every day, I post once per day. preferably in the morning, I try to get it in at like 755 or so I found that if I post around eight o’clock, preferably right before eight o’clock, the post, my posts do the best. It’s like it’s 1026 on a Friday. And that’s not to say you can’t post them. But if you can try to get your posts out early in the morning, to post once per day. It some people are like, Oh, that sounds easy. And then some people think that’s a ton to do. It’s five posts a week, you can do it, I promise, verbally in the morning. Number two is reach out to those people who are interacting with your content. So every day I post something, and then my next step is to look at what I posted yesterday, and to see who was liking this post who was commenting on this post. And then I go through, and I look at all of these people, a lot of them are first degree connections, which means that we’re already connected, and we’ve already had a conversation. But some of them are second degree connections. So the second degree connections, that means they’re connected to someone in your network, who are interacting with your posts saw it because someone in your network reacted to it. You know how this works. We should all pretty familiar with this by now, as far as social media goes. But those are people that just saw your face and just saw your name and liked something that you’ve posted, you know enough to press the little button, either clap at it or thumbs up it or whatever you may have. So I always reach out to those people and request to connect. That’s the second step. So you’re posting content every day. You know, positioning yourself as a thought leader. So writing a business showing people the cool stuff you’re up to, I could talk strategy. And I’m like, which posts do really well for days and days and days. But the point is that you just do it. You do it every day, no matter what, okay, consistency is key. And then you harvest your engagement, and you look at who’s actually engaging with the stuff and it will naturally grow your network, by way of reaching out to these second degree connections, and connecting with them. You know, it’s, it’s totally fine. It’s not a cold connection, they saw something of yours, they’re familiar with you, they might have forgotten that they liked your post, who I mean, you can’t control that. But what you can control is reaching out to say, Hey, thanks for liking my post about so and so would you like to connect, that’s I literally write that out,

Brandon Burton 20:46
I was gonna ask if you include a message when you reach out, David.

Jordan Clemons 20:50
Exactly. That’s, that’s him. That’s him. That’s a little more granular, the details, but that’s exactly what you do. There’s a couple of reasons. Number one, most people don’t do that. So you’re going to stand out. And then number two, when you start doing this a lot, you’re going to be getting 2030 connections a day, sometimes I’m telling you, it’s it really, really ramps up. And when you connect with them, they fall in your little messages, area of your LinkedIn. And you there’s no way you’re going to be able to remember how you connected with this person, what caused this. But if you include that message, and say thanks for commenting on my post about such and such, then you’ll be like, Oh, that’s what it was. And then you can keep the conversation going from there. Literally Ctrl C, go to the next one, Ctrl V, enter, I’ve got this down to the minimal amount of time that it takes to complete this process, because it’s getting so busy. That’s the second step. So you’re gonna reach out and connect with people that engage with your posts, second degree connections, specifically to grow your network, but when you’re starting this out, when you’re starting this strategy out new, you’re not going to get a ton of second degree connections, you know, doing this at least, that’s my, that’s my thought. But look at all those first degree connections to, you know, like anyone connected to you on LinkedIn, if they’re not a member of your chamber, is a potential prospect. So even if they’re a first degree connection, is it someone that you would like to start a conversation with, if it is, that’s, that’s the prime time to do it, it’s just like, going into a coffee shop, seeing somebody that you know, oh, it would be great to pick back up on a conversation with them, but I really don’t have a reason to call them. And that might make you feel uncomfortable, say you just like saw them in a coffee shop waved at them and said, Hey, how’s the family and we’re on your way. Calling them after that is a lot less intimidating, and will probably lead to more success. If they comment or like something on LinkedIn, that’s the exact same thing. As far as I’m concerned, you know, it’s just the digital version of networking. Right? So well, I’ve

Brandon Burton 23:00
heard that explained is returning every handshake, you know, if they’re engaging with your social media, it’s like they’re putting out their hand to shake your hand. And if you just leave them hanging, you know, they’re not going to engage with you anymore. But if you return that handshake, it continues to build that relationship.

Jordan Clemons 23:15
That is, that is a perfect way to put it, Brandon, I’ve never thought of it that way. But what I do, essentially, I wish I could return every handshake, I wish. My posts get like 10,000 views now they always get like over 100 reactions or so it would literally be a full time job responding to every single person, something I wish I could but all the second degree connections, you better believe they get a connection request saying thank you. And then that leads to the third step. So what have we gone over so far? You post once per day in the morning, not not super hard. You reach out to people who engage with your posts. You know, this is just that the next step, if you just do this again, consistently, it will get you the results. And then number three, you once you connect with these people just start the conversation with them. You know if more conversations equals more sales, so I can’t tell you exactly what to say to folks. But when I talk to people on LinkedIn, if it’s someone I’ve never met before in my entire life, but I found them and connected with them through this process, then they’re going to wind up in my messages inbox. I’m going to see why they what what post it was that got us connected because I put it in that message right so that I can have that to reference. Then you can go to their profile and look what they’re about. Did you go to school with them? You can see common connection requests. There’s so much data on here to help make the sales process go much more smoothly. And think about that compared to looking at a phonebook and dialing a number of a person you’ve never even heard before and you’re on the phone and you have no Data to go off of whatsoever. That’s literally how people used to do sales or knocking on their door. And I mean, you have the benefit of, you know, being face to face there. So it’s a little more of a connection. But on LinkedIn, you can see everything professionally about someone that they want to share. And they have it on there because they want to share it. And you don’t have to think of a perfect response. Right? That second, as if you were on the phone or in person, you can take all the time in the world, I don’t suggest you do. But I’m just, I’m trying to highlight the fact that there’s so much potential here. But if I connect with someone, we just have a conversation I, we talked about what they liked, we or the post or whatever, you know, we talked about, if it’s one if it’s their business, and if I really don’t have anything else to say, I’ll just say like, Hey, this is the first time I’ve heard about insert whatever their business name is, can you tell me more, or whatever. I mean, if you’re a sales professional, you know how to do it, you ask open ended questions, you get people talking. But the point is, you can have conversations with people on this platform that you meet naturally through this way. And then get them to a coffee, and then do your normal thing, the exact treat them exactly as if you met them at a networking event. And, you know, ask them out to coffee. So that’s the whole thing. It’s posting once per day, preferably in the morning, connect with people who engage with you, and then start a conversation. And by doing that, I’m on track to hit my annual sales goal by the end of this month, that will be June. So it’s working out pretty well. It takes some time for this stuff to build up. Don’t get me wrong. But that’s why I believe in the platform so much.

Brandon Burton 26:44
I think there’s a lot to be said about that, as you can call it asynchronous, asynchronous. I’m not saying the word right communication are Yeah, you get that time you get a little bit of a buffer, if you need it to respond in a way that’s going to provide the most value, it’s going to answer their question the best that’s going to align them with the right people, if you’re helping them make other connections and and it’s not that immediate response need to give if you are talking to somebody in person or on the phone where you need to have that back and forth dialogue immediately. So I wanted to circle back on the posts that you do. So posting once a day. Couple things came to mind. Do you ever use any scheduler? And how do you decide when it’s worth tagging another person or business in a post?

Jordan Clemons 27:35
Yeah, so great questions. I don’t use a scheduler, I’ve tried to go down that path a couple of times. But what works best for me is I like when I’m out and about is um, this is so ingrained in my my process every day. Pictures are great for LinkedIn, if you’re at cold places, doing cool things, take a cool picture of it, people love that stuff. I just sort of bank them in my phone. Sometimes I’ll schedule what I want to post that day on the calendar. So I don’t forget, but I don’t put it in something like buffer or anything like that, you totally can. But I think you’re missing out on the ability to post about cutting edge like current things. You know, if you’re subscribed to say the business first publication of your area, they put that stuff out, it’s fresh, it’s like happening that day. And tying off to that and being a person that shares something that’s like, that just happened, there’s a lot of value in that. And not to say you still can’t do that. But you are missing out a little bit of that if you do schedule it. But if it would work better for you to block off time, on a Monday or Friday and like get all of these scheduled so that you know that they’ll go out at the right time. I think that’s a great strategy. And there’s tons of free tools to be able to do that. What was the second part of the question, Brandon, sorry. So

Brandon Burton 28:55
yeah, before. So using a scheduler, I’m wondering if if it’s a Monday afternoon, and you know what you want to post on Tuesday morning, but you’ve got a standing Tuesday morning meeting or something that still work the same as you know, to say, this is what I’m going to post I’m going to post a schedule, so it goes 7:55am and then not have to think about it. When you’re in your you’re standing Tuesday morning meeting.

Jordan Clemons 29:22
Yeah, absolutely. Whatever works best for you, like know yourself as a sales professional. There’s a ton of value in that knowing your strengths, knowing your weaknesses, know how you operate the best sometimes. So I go to the gym at seven in the morning, a lot of days, and it’s over like right before eight so I literally will get done with the workout and go sit on the bench and get on my phone real fast. And post something it’s not ideal. I probably be a little bit more strategic about it. But yeah, if I if I was more adept at using the scheduler, it’s just that Have a matter of habit for me at this point, you know, it’s going to have morning no matter what, for me. But if if if you think that that’s something that would help you achieve step one, because without step one, step two and three don’t happen. Definitely look into that some of them. I’m not sure if you can tag people, though, if you do that, which I think was your second part of

Brandon Burton 30:20
your question, it was yeah, some things are obvious where you tag somebody, but how do you give thought as to whether or not you tag a person or another business on the post? Well, I

Jordan Clemons 30:29
would say automatically default to tagging as many people as you can that’s related to your post, that’s going to increase the visibility of it, they’re gonna get a notification, their network is going to see it. Again, social media has been around for a little bit of time now. So I think we all understand that the more people you tag, the more visibility your post gets, which is what you’re trying to do. You’re trying to get as many people to see this as you can. You know, that’s the that’s the purpose of the post. That’s one of the purposes of the post. Not everyone has LinkedIn, but most people do. Honestly, it’s, it’s it’s kind of crazy that most people do not every business does. But most Well, I wouldn’t say most businesses do but more more than you would think do. So I would default to you know, if you’re taking a picture of a ribbon cutting your app, definitely post the the business or I’m sorry, tag, the business tag, the business owner, tag anyone that would be related to whatever it is that you’re posting, so that it gets as much visibility as it can.

Brandon Burton 31:32
Okay, the next question I have for you is, so I have the the alerts set up on my phone. So if somebody interacts with something with me on LinkedIn, I’m seeing a message or a icon on my phone, but I’ve got a new, new alert. How do you manage your time? Do you block out time specifically for responding to LinkedIn? And, you know, an hour to a day just to block for that? Or do you just respond as it comes? Or? What’s your strategy for responding?

Jordan Clemons 32:03
Yeah, great, great, great question. So if you’re asking my opinion, I would say turn off the notifications, and block time out every morning, the LinkedIn strategy is literally the first thing I do when I fire up my computer, I don’t open my email, I don’t do anything else, the link, LinkedIn comes up, I knock it out, and then it goes down. That’s how that’s how I think is the best way to manage this. I mean, when you’re when you’re starting out, you can, you know, check it a couple times a day depends on how busy you Davis but the beauty of the of the whole system that I just told you is that you you open LinkedIn, first thing you do is you you post your content, you have that it’s done, it’s gonna live there for the next however long. Second thing you do is go to your notifications, and their groups nice neatly is going to be everyone who’s responded to something you posted yesterday, or the day before content can live for a long time, there’s some times it only lives for a day, you know, the feed is is sort of different than other social media platforms, you don’t have like a page where you can well, you can navigate to see everyone’s posts, but you know what I mean? So you can post and then say, I’m done with that part, then you go to the notifications. And you can look at the whole list in chronological order, I literally right click on each one, open in a new tab, and then knock it out that way. So I don’t lose that page. And I’m done with all of those notifications, it’s very methodical. Once you’re done with that, you have harvested all of that engagement 100%. And you put all that out there, you’ve sent out all those connection requests, you put all of it in motion. And then once you do after that step through, you’re gonna go to your messages, and you’re gonna see all of those people that responded positively to your connection request yesterday, or the day before, or the week before, you never know how much someone uses LinkedIn. But you do this methodically, every single day, then whenever it is that they come around to it, you know, they’re either gonna get back to you or they aren’t, it’s not really anything you can do about that. But you just make sure that you come through this every day. So respond to all of your messages. You know, keep that going if someone responds back, or if it’s something that you really want to make sure you don’t let slip through the cracks. You know, if I have, I literally have 1000s of messages, 1000s of conversations, it’s, it’s crazy. So you can keep it open if if the dialog is going, but you don’t have to. So when you first start, when you first start out using this method, it might take 510 minutes, do this, and then like be on with the rest of your day. But if you’re worried about notifications, sidelining you all day long, just turn them off. You don’t need them. Like you’re saying that asynchronous communication. That’s the beautiful part about this is that no one’s expected to get back to you immediately. You’re going to be totally forgiven. If someone’s like, I want to join them. chamber today because we connected Can we do that? They’re not gonna do that, just because you responded to them the next day? Because you’re busy doing the rest of your job. Right. So that would be my answer to that.

Brandon Burton 35:12
Yeah, no, that’s I think that’s a good response. So one thing that I noticed as I engage with people on LinkedIn is the response rate is much better than, say, email or other methods of reaching out there. Do you see the same kind of thing? I see your head nodding?

Jordan Clemons 35:30
Well, um, I don’t know. It’s, I get that. I mean, I should really be saying, yes, absolutely. I guess I’m just trying to think I can’t really put my finger on that. I would just say, Here, cut that maybe cut that a little part of the answer out, because I could definitely a better answer than that. I would say yes, yes, people respond on LinkedIn, a lot more than you think they were. And they will respond to you on LinkedIn, a lot more than you think they will. If you’re genuine. With your outreach, if you don’t try to sell them, the moment they start talking to you. If you’re just easygoing, and work a normal sales process, it’s really not hard. Think about the messages that you’ve received on LinkedIn. In the past. I’m sort of outlier because I use the platform like crazy, but if you don’t, you’re probably like, oh, anyone who’s ever reached out to me is sent me a paragraph about how they want to secure my financial future or something like we’ve all been there, I get it. So you can either look at it one of two ways, you can say, Okay, well, that’s just, that’s a useless part of this platform, because that’s all anyone ever does. Or you can say, well, the bar is set pretty low. Actually, if I just provide someone a message, that’s not as sucky as that, then they’ll probably respond positively, which is what happens. The other part that I would add to that, Brandon is that, as far as responses and communication goes, in the messaging part, specifically, the people that are going to be good prospects for you, at least as far as this whole strategy works out, are going to be the ones that respond to you. And then the people that aren’t, are going to be the ones that don’t connect, and don’t respond. So what you’re left with is the people that are self selecting themselves in to your pipeline. And then the people that are going to be a waste of time, because they don’t use the platform a lot. And they’re just going to be difficult to reach in this way, are just going to let you know that by either not responding to your connection requests, or not responding to your message that went along with that. So you can totally forget about them focus on the people that are engaging with you. And then the pipeline goes down from there. If that makes sense.

Brandon Burton 37:52
It does. And what I like about this strategy is when you’re reaching out and engaging with people that are engaged with your posts, you know, their user of LinkedIn, because they were on there to make that engagement to begin with, then you reach out with that warm interaction, that warm handshake, you know, returning, your response is going to be much higher than just the cold calling and knocking on doors is a traditional membership salesperson. So I love you know, the strategies you’re implementing. I know we can go a whole lot deeper in a lot of different channels of this. But I wanted as we start wrapping up here, I wanted to ask if you have maybe one tip or strategy for Chamber Champions listening that they can implement to help take their organization up to the next level?

Action Item/Tip for Chamber Champions

Jordan Clemons 38:39
Yeah, absolutely. Well, it’s gonna come no surprise, and I’m just gonna say, use LinkedIn, it’s such an I use the free, I use the free version. I’ve always forget to caveat that because when I give these talks, it inevitably comes up that someone thinks that you premium versions pricing, there’s a lot of bells and whistles with that you can do this with an account that you create today. And there’s I’m not, there’s nothing that’s gonna stop you from doing that. But I’m, I’m not a social media savvy person. All I’ve done is what I’ve told you here today for years and years and years. And here I am talking about it with people all the time. So the juice is worth the squeeze as far as spending a little bit of time every day, getting familiar with the platform, and finding your voice and figuring out how you can comfortably use it. But the best tip is just to do it, put it on your calendar, five minutes every morning. You know, it doesn’t take a lot of time I promise you. But there’s only so many networking events you can go to and the day and the week in the month LinkedIn lives on there and perpetuity people can secret shop you all day long. So if you don’t really put time and effort into just getting that off the ground then you’re missing the boat on a ton of sales. I promise you.

Brandon Burton 39:55
Yeah. I love that. You mentioned that use the free version. And because there is so much power that comes with that. And it reminds me of back in the day, if we can remember back when Facebook was a lot more robust. As far as you know, if you had a Facebook page for your business, you know, all your followers would see all the posts that you put out there because they followed your page. And then now Facebook, of course throttles it, they make you pay to get in front of your audience. So right now, there’s a lot of power in the free version with LinkedIn. Who knows how long that’ll last for before they put on, you know, a different pay barrier or whatever. So for anyone listening, I would say, jump on this now start building that network, because you never know how long a good thing is gonna last?

Jordan Clemons 40:41
Yeah, well, I mean, I have confidence. Microsoft purchased LinkedIn. A few years ago, I can’t remember exactly how much so I have confidence that it’s it’s like the last unpainted social media platform as far as I’m concerned. Right. So half of me is saying, like, shut up about talking about LinkedIn. But the other half is just like, This is so great. I can’t not tell people about it.

Brandon Burton 41:04
That’s right. So Jordan, I like asking everyone, as we look to the future and chambers of commerce, how do you see the future chambers in their purpose going for?

Future of Chambers

Jordan Clemons 41:14
Yeah, that’s an interesting question. I wish I had a correct answer. Or if there was a correct answer, I am 34 will be 35. In about a month here. I’ve been in July for three years, I’ve been involved in the community via networking and sales since 2013. So that’s, that’s my experience, in my view, I would say, chambers of commerce in the future. I don’t, I don’t know, membership based organizations, there are two types of members, there’s transactional members, and there’s transformational members. So transactional members want the value that is equal or greater to the amount of dues that they pay you. And the transformation or members are bought in for the vision and the strategy. And the goal of what it is that your chamber is out here doing, you’re going to have to have a mix of both of those types of members in order to thrive in the future. Obviously, younger businesses, I don’t know that they’re super familiar with a chamber of commerce, I’ve not started a business of my own. But if you’re young and upcoming business, I think of some of the other older organizations that you don’t hear about too much anymore. And I’m not sure who’s out here. Besides, you know, you and me and other young chamber professionals that are advocating for chambers for these smaller businesses that I have sort of a fear of that as we go in the future. So I think there just needs to be a lot of education around what it is that chambers do, which is literally what I do all day long. But that’s a long winded answer that probably didn’t tell you anything.

Brandon Burton 42:52
That’s all right. It’s all about perspective, you know, everybody comes to it from a different perspective. So that’s why I like asking that question. Because we can kind of aggregate those perspectives and maybe come up with some sort of a crystal ball as to what the future looks like.

Jordan Clemons 43:06
Yeah, I’ll say that, um, the future will be the future. And, you know, efficiency is what is where things go. And that’s, that’s economic. So I’m excited to see what happens there, change is a good thing. I don’t think change is a bad thing at all. So I’m, I feel good to be in the position that I’m in to help navigate whatever that looks like. So bring it on.

Brandon Burton 43:28
Right. So I wanted to give you an opportunity to share any contact information, because I’m sure listeners to this episode are going to hear this and think, you know, they’ve got their own questions they’ve got they need to connect with you on LinkedIn if they’re not already. And so how can they reach out and connect? Obviously, LinkedIn would seem to be the obvious choice, but what other ways and you know, opportunities are there to reach out and connect with you?

Connect with Jordan Clemons

Jordan Clemons 43:52
Yeah, just use LinkedIn. I mean, you can email me but I want less emails, rather than more honestly. Reach out to me on LinkedIn connect with me, and we can message it will help get you familiar with the platform. I’ll get back to you. And we can just have a one on one conversation there. It’s super duper easy. Go to LinkedIn search for Jordan Clemens, senior investor Development Manager at GE ally you can do it I promise you, you can find my profile, click that little Connect button. And then when it says do you want to include a message include a message say You know, you heard me on the Chamber Chat Podcast or whatever you want but that I’m coaching you on how to use the platform here, but I can help you from there too.

Brandon Burton 44:37
Absolutely. And I’ll I’ll put a link to your your profile in our show notes for this episode as well. So we’ll make it easy for people to find you and connect. But yeah, I’m all about making it easy. Connect with Jordan say Hey, I heard you on Chamber Chat Podcast help. So and Jordan is air with a wealth of knowledge Ah to be able to help you help your chamber through using utilizing these tools that he mentioned with through LinkedIn. So thank you, Jordan, for joining us today on Chamber Chat Podcast. And I think you provided a ton of value in the little bit of time that we had together. But hopefully it ignites in interest for those listening to explore the opportunities that LinkedIn provides.

Jordan Clemons 45:26
Yeah, thank you for the opportunity, Brandon. Sorry if I was a little long winded, but anybody that has any additional questions again, just send me a message. I’m here to help.

Brandon Burton 45:34
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8 Content Methods to Strengthen Your Storytelling

Does Your Chamber Tell Stories?

How does your chamber show up as a storyteller in your community?  What types of stories do you tell?  Our current social media environment shows us that people love to consume stories.  Infact, some social media platforms are shifting from “social media posts” to “stories”.  We often hear how Chambers of Commerce need to be storytellers.  This is because we live in a world where facts and benefits about your organization are important but largely overlooked if you don’t have good stories to back up what you offer.  

I have seen many chamber websites and membership brochures that list the key benefits of and reasons why a business should become a member of their chamber.  While these “lists” have their place, showing the impact and value of your chamber is done much more effectively when done through stories.

Story Platforms

Your storytelling can take place face to face.  Stories can be shared in newsletters, emails, or on social media in snippets.  Some chambers may have a talented staff member who can shoot and edit video to tell their stories.  As you might guess, my preferred method of storytelling is through podcasts.

When thinking of the stories you have to tell, think about who is the ideal audience you want to share the story with.  Where are they?  Where do they hang out digitally?  Do they prefer printed text, pictures, video, or audio?  Are your stories better formatted towards a specific media?

Many chambers like to go straight to social media to tell their stories.  So do a Facebook Live video.  My observation and opinion is that people open their social media apps when they are bored, tired, or stressed.  Social media becomes a mindless activity to pass time without truly engaging on any kind of meaningful level.  For this reason, I would strongly recommend NOT having social media be your primary medium for telling stories.  By all means, use social media to magnify and perpetuate your stories but choose another medium to host and share your stories from.  You may choose to repurpose some of your stories on social media as a teaser or an advertisement for the story in its entirety.

For most chambers, this would leave two primary content mediums, video and audio.  Of course YouTube is the place to host any video content as viewers can subscribe to your channel to receive any updated content.  For audio, podcasts are the place to be.  I have a whole podcast course to teach you how to get started with a podcast.  Every iPhone comes with a podcast app already preinstalled.  This makes it super easy for your audience to listen.

Storytelling Content

Once you know what platform(s) you want to focus on to share your stories, you can then dive into the content for story creation.  I have identified eight types of stories you can tell through your podcast or YouTube channel.  You can choose as many as you feel are relevant to your community or that would add value to your members or attract new members.

  1. Member success stories or member spotlight.  You can interview your own members and have them share how your chamber has helped their business find success.  You can also go a little more generic and have your members tell you about their business or entrepreneurial journey.  People love to hear a good original story and it ends up being a great commercial for your member business as well.
  2. Impact of nonprofits.  Identify and interview other local nonprofit organizations in your area to tell the story of the impact they are making.  You can make the connection of how your chamber helps to support these nonprofits or ways you have partnered with them.
  3. Community Partnerships.  Community partnerships often need a bit more of an explanation for the general public to understand why the partnership exists and what the combined mission is about.  There are often success stories that can go along with partnerships and the impact that is being made in the community.
  4. Advocacy Efforts.  In a very generalized sense, many of your members are still transactional members.  They want to know what the chamber can do for them and if they don’t see it on their bottom line, then they don’t see any value.  By sharing the stories of your advocacy efforts and the direct impact to each member of your chamber, you may sway some of your transactional members to become transformational members.  Promoting your advocacy work also will show your community that the chamber is about business and what is good for business.  The chamber is the sane center where both sides of the isle can come together for the good of your community.
  5. Impact of Events/Initiatives.  If you have people in your community who complain about why the city and/or chamber of commerce shuts down traffic each year for a festival that runs the whole weekend, then it might help to share why.  Telling of the economic impact, increased sales tax revenue, and hotel occupancy in addition to the other positive outcomes of your events might help your community better understand what the chamber is about.
  6. Staff Spotlight.  Do your members and your community know your staff?  Do they understand what the role is of each member of your staff?  If they have a need, wouldn’t it be nice if they felt like they knew the person they were reaching out to?  Doing regular staff spotlights will lead to building stronger relationships with your members which should help with your retention numbers.
  7. Why Members Join.  You are well aware that there are always businesses in your community who don’t know what a chamber of commerce is or why they should be involved.  Collecting and sharing stories of why businesses join your chamber can help to tell a better story or what your chamber has to offer without producing a long list of member benefits.  Remember, people have short attention spans and taking time to highlight just one or two reasons businesses join your chamber at each time will have the most impact.
  8. Testimonials.  A while back, I had Shari Pash on the podcast to talk about testimonial strategies.  This is actually a very simple way of telling very short stories.  Testimonials can be used in many ways.  From reading a testimonial on a podcast episode to including a member testimonial in your email signature, you should be gathering and sharing testimonials all the time!  Testimonials create credibility, social proof, and help with recruiting and retaining members.  Feel free to leave a testimonial or review for Chamber Chat Podcast in Apple Podcasts and see how I might integrate your testimonial into my storytelling strategy. 🙂

You are now equipped with eight strategies for your chamber to be a storyteller.  Now, you just need to lean into your medium of choice (audio or video) and then amplify your stories on your social media channels.  You may find it beneficial to tell some stories over video while others are better on a podcast.  If you utilize this strategy, you can also cross promote your platforms to each other and continue to grow your audiences.


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How Member Feedback and Data Can Help Drive Every Decision

Directional Data

When it comes to driving the course for your chamber, you need to have clear direction.  Can you imagine going for a drive without knowing your final destination or how to get there?  You would end up wasting a lot of time and resources going in the wrong direction while you try to guess where you should be headed.  I heard a quote a while back that said “you can work at 100 mph but if you are not clear on your destination, you will end up 100 miles away from your goal.”  This is true when making business decisions or operating your chamber.  You need to have a clear vision of where your organization should be headed.  

Proof of Concept

About a year after starting Chamber Chat Podcast, I started having some chambers reach out to me about how to get started with their own podcast.  At first I was answering their questions one by one.  Then I thought it would be a good idea to launch an online course to take chambers through the steps to get started.  But, before I invested a lot of time into creating a course, I created a simple downloadable Chamber Podcasting Guide PDF that I gave away for free to interested chambers..  This allowed me to test the market to see if there were more chambers who wanted to start a podcast.  After I had about 150 downloads of this Chamber Podcasting Guide, then I proceeded to create the course and guess who I marketed it to first?  That’s right, those people who had already expressed an interest in podcasting.  This was almost a guarantee that I would get sales for the course.

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When making decisions at your chamber, you should be collecting data along the way.  Collecting and evaluating data will allow you to create more relevant content, programming, and opportunities for involvement by catering to what is important to your member businesses.  Having a clear vision is important, but it also must align with your mission.  If you are collecting interest for programs that are outside of the scope of your mission, you might be better served by partnering with another organization or handing the program off all together.

Ways to Collect Data

Let’s brainstorm on some ways to gather data and member feedback to help you make better decisions.  

  • Understand what makes popular social media posts trend.
  • What are your most attended programs?  What is the content about?
  • Ask new members why they are joining the chamber and what their expectations are.
  • Provide surveys after each event to collect feedback.
  • Ask your members what they value most about their membership with your chamber.
  • Record common questions that members ask your chamber.
  • Post polls on social media for future programming.
  • Survey people who attend community events.

A note about surveys…it is important to be clear about the desired purpose for the event or program you are providing the survey for.  If the person being surveyed doesn’t understand what the intent for a program or event is, then their responses can lead you in the wrong direction.  You should clearly state the reason you put on your community festival for example, the impact it makes throughout the community, and then ask your questions.  This gives more context rather than having a person complaining about the festival because it was too hot that day.

I recently came across a chamber who surveyed their members about whether or not they should continue producing a community guide/directory or a map.  The feedback came back that the members did not want the chamber to produce either publication any more.  This chamber failed to mention the added value to each member of having their name listed in the directory and distributed throughout their community.  They also did not inform their members about the non-dues revenue the chamber receives for their budget from these publications and how having a tangible publication can help with branding your community to newcomers and visitors.  The expectations and reasoning was not properly laid out and for that reason, the members voted the way they did.  With more accurate information, the vote likely would have been much different.

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Interview with Aaron Nelson-Data Driven Decisions

In June of 2021, I had Aaron Nelson from the Greater Chapel Hill-Carrboro Chamber on the podcast to discuss how he approaches data driven decision making.  He talked about how they go about collecting data after every event.  They gather data about the venue, the speakers, the food, just about every aspect of each event that you can think of.  This creates a very clear path going forward for their future events with the understanding that each event is a continual iteration.  

What to do with Data?

One of the tricky aspects about collecting data and gathering member feedback is what to do with it.  If you have a quality platform for your membership software, then this should be your hub for storing all of this data and feedback.  I am partial to the Chamber Nation platform as it is a robust platform with a ton of added value that you don’t find anywhere else. It is also very affordable for even smaller chambers to adopt this platform.  Many chambers even turn the Chamber Nation platform into a non-dues revenue generator within a few months.  As you collect data and input it into the Chamber Nation platform, you are also able to produce monthly activity reports for each member so they can see the ROI of their membership.  This is providing data to your members to help them make better decisions!

The key is to continually collect and record the data and feedback from your various sources so you can learn what is important to your members.  Once you know what is important to them, you will have better engagement with your programming because you are providing more targeted value to your members.


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What Makes a Chamber Board Successful?

What Makes a Chamber Board Successful?

Have you had any formal training on how to develop a strong, diverse, effective chamber board?  My guess is that most chamber executives who are reading this blog post have not been trained on board development.  Many find themselves in the chamber industry by happy accident.  What makes a chamber board effective anyway?  While I am by no means an expert on board development or management, I will share what I have learned from experienced chamber professionals and non-profit board experts.

When it occurred to me how many chamber leaders find their career in chamber work by accident, it prompted me to do a survey to ask chamber leaders about their experience working with boards before starting with the chamber.  The results were interesting.  Only 27% of chamber leaders surveyed had worked with a board previous to entering the chamber world.  37% had no experience working with a board at all while another 37% had served on a nonprofit board.  I think we could all agree how the perspective changes from serving on a board to being on the other side as the chamber executive.

Survey results about board experience.

To start, it may be helpful to understand what an effective board is.  I would argue that an effective board is one that will engage in meaningful discussion which leads to action.  These outcomes of these actions should support the mission of your organization and further build your community.

Chamber Board Selection

As I recently attended the MAKO (Missouri, Arkansas, Kansas, Oklahoma) Chamber Conference, Dave Adkission was one of the speakers.  Of the many topics that he covered in his talk, he spent some time talking about the unique qualities of a Chamber leader.  He shared how you are often the only person in your city or town who does what you do.  You may have colleagues in neighboring towns but you are typically the only Chamber Director/President/CEO in your community.

Dave also talked about how as a Chamber Executive you have a new boss each year, of course referencing your board chair.  With this understanding, it is not very common in the workplace to have a say about who your next boss will be.  However, in the chamber world, you can be intentional about building your board of directors with people who share a similar vision for your community.

When it comes to board selection, you may be tempted to look to those business leaders who can be a strong source of revenue.  You probably want people on your board who are well connected.  Oftentimes the people who make up a chamber board are some of the most influential business people in your community.  This can lend more credibility and influence to your organization as a result.

On the flip side, by having your board filled with high level business leaders, there is a good chance that their time and resources will be stretched thin.  They are probably serving on other boards in your community.  They are most likely being asked for money from other organizations.  They will likely notice that they are being asked to participate on various boards because they are well connected and have access to money which can change their perception of your organization.

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You want to be very intentional about recruiting for board service as you build relationships with other leaders in your community.  Be mindful of what mindsets and skillsets are missing or underrepresented on your current board.  Have discussions with some of these leaders who you think would be a good addition to your board to plant the seed or idea in their mind about the value or perspective they can provide.

Developing Board Diversity

In the past, at least in the United States, most chamber boards were composed of older, white males.  As demographics change, as social justice and awareness are more front of mind, it is important that chamber boards reflect the makeup of the community which they serve.

With chambers having a sharper focus on diversity, equity, and inclusion, we are starting to see more of this shift in board seats.  As there are more women owned businesses, having the voice and perspective of women on your board is important.  As you develop your chamber board, notice if your community tends to have a younger demographic, you may want to recruit board members who represent your younger business owners.  Your community may have a larger makeup of hispanic, African-American, Asian, or Pacific Islanders.  This should be reflected on your board.  

As a chamber leader, you are expected to know your community and to have a pulse on what is important to them.  Should you focus on having more veterans on your board or people from the LGBTQ+ community?  Although the development of your chamber board should be very intentional, you should be careful not to recruit board members simply because the check a box. Each board member should bring specific skillsets to make your board whole.

It is important as you recruit new board members to work towards filling seats with the people who can help move your community forward and not just who has the money and influence.  Ultimately your chamber should carry the influence in your community that you are looking for.  You should be leading the way in showing what is important to building a stronger community and why each segment of your population is vital to this vision.

A while back, I had Matt Morrow on the Chamber Chat Podcast.  Matt is the President and CEO of the Springfield Area Chamber in Missouri.  Matt talked about the lessons he learned from a book titled “The Wisdom of Crowds”.  The main takeaway message was that more often than not, a diverse crowd of people can, together, come up with the most correct answer to problems than any one person or any one demographic can on their own.  This is because the diversity brings different perspectives which help point to the most correct answers.

Setting Clear Expectations

Communication and expectations are key to a functional board.  It may be tempting to complain about an underperforming board member.  You might get frustrated when the ball gets dropped on certain action items that come out of a board meeting.  Are certain members always late to your board meetings or not engaged?  These board members may not clearly understand what is expected of them and how important their role really is.

From their perspective, they may be complaining to themselves, a spouse, another board member or a co-worker about how unorganized and unproductive the chamber board meetings are.  They may not have clearly expressed what their expectations were from you as a chamber leader.

Either way, if the dysfunction is coming from the chamber side or from the board side, this will quickly result in a disengaged board.  Have open and honest communication about expectations.  Be intentional with the onboarding process for new board members so they clearly understand the importance of their role.  While in your board meetings, try to spend the bulk of your time in discussion about things that really matter for your community.  You will likely have some of the most influential leaders of your community in the same room so don’t waste their time.  Find out how your board members prefer their communications.  Do they want detailed drafts for each meeting or a simple outline? By defining expectations up front will save you a lot of frustration later.

Along with clear expectations, always be mindful of your board member’s time.  These are often busy people who live by a schedule.  Be as concise, yet thorough with communications and meetings to keep up the level of engagement.  As soon as you notice any disengagement, have an open conversation to assess the load your board member is carrying and encourage adjustments with assignments as needed.

Board Unity

It is not abnormal to have very strong personalities among a group of business and community leaders.  This is not a bad thing at all.  Oftentimes, these strong personalities are what land these individuals in the positions of influence where they currently reside.  However, some personalities can be like oil and water as they repel each other.

Be intentional about creating opportunities for board members to break down barriers and to get past personalities.  This could be done by providing opportunities for these individuals to serve directly with each other and to learn from each other’s experiences and skillset.  This is often facilitated through board retreats and training.  

If you can build buffer time around your board meetings to allow for your board members to socialize for a few minutes before or after board meetings, you will see more ideas generated once they are outside of the formal setting of a meeting.  A good signal of board unity is when you see several board members linger after a meeting to continue discussion ideas or even just getting to know each other better.

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Continue Your Chamber Board Development

As I stated at the beginning of this post, I am not an expert on nonprofit or chamber board development.  However, I have learned a lot as I have worked with chambers over the past 15+ years and as I have been interviewing chamber leaders on Chamber Chat Podcast for over 3 years now.  

One of the best people I have interviewed on the podcast about this topic is Hardy Smith, author of “Stop the Nonprofit Board Blame Game”.  I would encourage every chamber executive to read this book.  You will learn key insights about managing your board that you have never thought of.  

Book cover-Stop the nonprofit board blame game.

I would also encourage you to continue learning from others, whether that is through conferences, regional chamber meetings, listening to podcasts, reading blogs, or by reaching out to others directly who you admire and feel like you can learn from.

Chamber service and board development is a continual iteration as our tools become more refined and as the world continues to evolve.  


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Why Chambers Need a Strong Digital Presence

In today’s world, everyone has a smartphone with them at all times.  Thanks to social media and text messaging, we all look to our tiny screens to pass time.  If your chamber has not been fully immersed in creating a strong digital presence, then you are missing a huge segment of your community.

Mobile is Everywhere

Next time you are out in public, take a look at the people around you.  Look at your own behaviors with your smartphone.  Most of society are consumers of digital content.  For some this comes in the form of social media platforms like Facebook or Instagram.  For the younger generation the trend is currently TikTok and YouTube.  Podcasting is the digital platform for audio content that people can consume while doing many other tasks at the same time.  The gateway to almost everything digital today is done through a mobile app.

I have yet to come across a chamber in the last five years that doesn’t at least have a Facebook page.  Most will also have a website.  I would suggest that these are the most basic digital platforms to utilize and they also have the lowest barrier to entry.  I once heard a quote that said “the lower the barrier, the greater the competition”.  There is a lot more ‘noise’ at the lower barrier of entry levels.  The Facebook page and website are important digital marketing tools.  I believe tools are designed to leverage your efforts.

Leverage Print Media

For example, printed publications are still very popular in the chamber world.  They are great producers of non-dues revenue and can often have a digital counterpart.  The digital side of your printed publications should be amplified on your website and social media to further spread the distribution of your publications.

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I would also encourage your members who advertise in your printed publications to leverage their advertising using digital.  They can do this by sharing a picture of their ad in your chamber directory on their social media pages and tag your chamber in the post.  You can take it a step further by encouraging them to use a specific hashtag to further promote the publication.

Repurpose Other Chamber Content

The same is true with other chamber content.  Your website and social media pages should be used to amplify your message.  Your digital presence will be much stronger as you identify ways to broadcast your traditional/analog efforts.

If you have a podcast, post each episode to your social pages.  Tag any guests in the social media posts as well as their company.  Your website could have a dedicated section that points to your past podcast episodes with show notes and links to relevant content and sponsorship partners.

If you have a YouTube channel, the same practice can be applied.  YouTube will also allow you to have ‘in video links’ to other relevant content you have on YouTube.  You can embed certain videos on your website and share your videos on your social media networks.

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Blogs

As you get caught up in the digital craze, don’t forget the importance of the written word.  That is by the way how you are consuming this content right now.  Blog posts for longer form messaging can still be highly effective and could be a source of non-dues revenue with sponsorships.  You can share your blog posts on social media. 

I recently worked on a project with a homeowners association.  This was a monthly magazine that was mailed to the homeowners.  With a younger demographic moving into the community and in an effort to gain more advertising revenue we decided to leverage digital.  We decided to repurpose the articles that were already in the printed magazine as individual blog posts.  This allowed us to insert additional advertising content and it allowed the HOA to reach a new, younger audience. 

Content Frequency

However you choose to approach your creation and distribution of digital content, it is critical to have a plan.  Creating a frequency for digital content will help you stay on track.  Oftentimes you can repurpose content in multiple ways.  I would encourage you to create a content calendar to plot out how you are putting out content in a strategic way.  Izzy West spoke about this in a past podcast episode.

As you create your content calendar, see where you can spread some of your content creation.  Maybe staff members could be responsible for different platforms or types of content.  You may be able to utilize a board member, ambassador, or another volunteer.  One unique way of creating content is to use your members.  Holly Allen talked about this in my interview with her as she talked about how her chamber was marketing the thought leadership of their members.  Essentially, their members became the experts on certain topics that their chamber then shared on their different platforms.

Summary

I will share a personal thought.  As you plan deliberate content, consider the platform.  For example, people tend to turn to Facebook to tune out, not to tune in to a message from the chamber.  However, a platform like podcasting and YouTube have active subscribers who tune into and subscribe to hear from people and organizations like you.  I would not rely solely on Facebook and a website as your digital footprint.

The bottom line is that if you are not actively thinking about a strong digital presence, you will inevitably miss out on opportunities.  We are living in a digital first world now where people turn to their phones for answers, information, and entertainment.  How is your chamber interacting with people on their tiny screens?


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