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New Teacher Program with Renee Earls

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Brandon Burton 0:00
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Our guest for this episode is Renee Earl’s Renee has proudly served as a president and CEO of the Odessa Chamber of Commerce in Texas. Since 2016. Native of Odessa, Renee believes that she has the best job in town. She works alongside a team of staff and volunteers to promote her hometown community through special events, membership, Economic Development and Tourism. Renee is a graduate of Texas Tech University where she obtained a bachelor’s degree in broadcast journalism. So I do have Renee on Zoom and I see the guns up so you guys can’t see that. Sal? Yeah, you got to do it. Right. But she started her career as a reporter and morning anchor at the Odessa Midland ABC affiliate. Then she spent 14 years in the health care arena serving as a community community as the communications Marketing Executive Director for Medical Center Health System. After volunteering for the Odessa chamber for decades and serving as our board chair Renee was thrilled to take on the role full time. She also has what she calls her midnight job. In 1999. She and her husband became the fifth owners of the Odesain. Magazine, a bimonthly community publication, which has been in print since 1964. Renee has served on numerous boards locally including the Odessa college and Ector county ISD Education foundations, and nonprofit management center of the Permian Basin United Way of the Junior League of Odessa. Renee serves as elder at connection Christian church. She’s a board member for the Texas Chamber of Commerce executives, having just completed the year as vice president of professional development and chair of the annual State Conference, which was held in Odessa this last summer. For 2024, she will serve as the TCC II VP of Governmental Relations. Together with her husband rich, they have three grown children, two grandchildren, and her motto for a successful life is whatever thy hand finds to do do it with all thy might. Rene, I’m excited to have you with us today on chamber chat podcast, I’d love to give you a moment to say hello to all the chamber champions that are out there listening and to share something interesting about yourself so we can all get to know you a little better.

Renee Earls 4:21
Wonderful. Well, thank you for having me. And thank you for allowing me to talk about what the Odessa chamber does. You know, we’re out here in West Texas. But as you mentioned, we hosted the State Chamber conference this last summer and we just have great feedback. You know, I’m blessed to be from this community born and raised, left long enough to go to college and came back and I honestly would not live anywhere else. And I’m a huge champion of my community and I just encourage those who haven’t been to West Texas in a while to come visit us come see us. We have a lot of opportunities here. So

Brandon Burton 4:55
absolutely. And I was at the TCCE conference and it was was a it was a success if you guys did a fantastic job, the venue and hosting and just everything about it was just fantastic. So great job. No, I

Renee Earls 5:09
think one of the the the most important thing that we have in our community, world oil and gas community. So obviously the resources below the ground are what is literally fueling the world. But it’s our people here who are just fantastic very much roll up your sleeves, get the job done, leave a lot of grids, and you won’t find better people than here in Odessa and West Texas. Yeah,

Brandon Burton 5:33
no, that’s that’s, that’s fantastic. So that’s a little bit about Odessa, tell us a little bit about the Odessa Chamber, just to give us an idea of the size of your staff Scope of Work budget, just that sort of thing to kind of set the table for our discussion today.

Renee Earls 5:48
So our chamber is one of the few chambers left in the in the industry that actually is the three legged stool. So we have the operation side, we have you know, the membership, the events. One of the programs that we’re going to talk about today from the membership side of the of the office, the operations, We’re also fortunate to have a contract with our city to run the economic development aspect of the community through our Odessa Development Corporation. So we have a economic development staff. And then we also have the tourism arm that we received funding from the city through Hotel Motel. So as a total, we have a staff of 18 here in our chamber. And those are pretty well divided between those three departments. We also have a community foundation, where we just focus on you know, just as it says community projects, things that come up in the community. And we have about 775 Members, we’re having our first membership drive in January for the first time in almost 20 years. And we are turning 90 in 2024. So we are looking to hit that 900 mark. And it would be nice if we went over the 1000 mark. So that’s kind of a little bit about our chamber, our operations department itself is a little over 1,000,003 in budget. So overall, we’re about a $3.4 million chamber budget wise with the three departments.

Brandon Burton 7:19
Yeah, that’s very good. That definitely helps give that perspective and 90 years coming up. That’ll be exciting, especially to cross that 900 threshold. It’ll be huge. Yeah, and I know it’s there. I know you guys are going to do it. So yeah, that’s awesome. Well, for our topic today, we kind of settled on the idea of talking about the new teacher program that you guys do there Theodosia chamber. I’m excited to dive into this learn more about the kind of the unique aspect and approach you guys take to it. And we’ll dive into this much deeper since get back from this quick break.

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Brandon Burton 11:08
All right, Renee, we’re back. As we dive into the discussion today about your new teacher program. I guess first of all, do you guys have you? Is it branded with a certain name? And just answer that one first, I guess we

Renee Earls 11:24
host right before school kicks off and into July 1 part of August. We call it our new teacher reception. It’s been a breakfast. It’s been a tailgate party. It’s been a reception. So it’s basically just a big party for our new teachers with our school district. I

Brandon Burton 11:44
love it. So I guess let’s just start at the beginning the origins How did this program come about? What was the need? Was it presented you guys you guys come together just tell us how this became how it started and how it’s evolved? Sure.

Renee Earls 12:02
So we were actually approached by one of the superintendents at the time, just a little over a decade ago, maybe 12 years ago, the chamber was approached about hosting something new for teachers coming into the market. The Odessa market is somewhat unique in that at one time, you know, we have between three and 400 vacancies for teachers. You know, we’re talking in like June, before school. That is a huge number. And so we obviously wanted to do something that made them really, you know, learn about the community. And most of those were coming from out of the area. You know, we were they were the district was recruiting Ector County ISD was recruiting from not only all over the country, but they also bring in teachers from different parts of the world. And we wanted them to learn about Odessa, we wanted to connect them with our businesses. We wanted to just thank them for taking on a profession that is, you know, probably one of the most valued most important professions, you know, teaching our students, our future, our workforce. So the superintendent came to us and said, Let’s do something. So we came up with at the time, a new teacher breakfast. So we brought him in to our big can What if the time what we would call our you know, our Coliseum a big event center. And it was like a pep rally. You know, we had the students out there, the cheerleaders and the band and the mascots and they would come in and you know, they ran under the tunnel and it just really set the tone for the school year. They would come in there are you know, 50 to 60 booths from our Chamber members because when they come into town, they need a bank, they need an insurance salesman, they need to find a place to go get their hair cut, they need a place to dry cleaners, they need to get their nails done, they want to go shopping, I mean all the things that a person when they moved to a community they need so it was a win win. The teachers felt wonderful. They left there with literally bags full of goodies. We were giving out door prizes, T these, you know cash rewards gift cards, the vendors that we had, were just giving away incredible gifts and breakfast and we had speakers we had, of course our superintendent, we had our mayor, we had our county judge, we had our state representative, all the leaders in the community welcoming these teachers, again, some coming from far away some coming from, you know the area or maybe they lived here and we’re going back into the field. I remember one gentleman told me this was about five years into it. He said he had literally driven his car from out of state moving to Odessa and that was he had literally driven into the parking lot that morning and this was his first impression. Wow. Um, so um, and through the years, you know, after COVID hit, we couldn’t have an indoor breakfast. But you know, we’re still having school we still have new teachers coming in. So we went to the famous Ratliff Stadium, which is known for Friday Night Lights, where the Friday Night Lights community, we go to Ratliff stadium and we had a tailgate. So they literally would drive through the parking lot to the vendors and, you know, had their windows down, and they were throwing stuff in their bags that we would give them. And again, it was just a lot of fun. You know, we gave them food, we gave them coffee, and they never got another car. And the cool thing about that is many of them had their kids and their families in the cars with them. So even though COVID had hit, we did that for a couple of years. And it worked out great. So once COVID was over, and we could go back inside, we did the tailgate in the morning, it rained, we did the tailgate in the afternoon, it was really hot. So we said, you know, we’re gonna go back indoors. So we went back to the Marriott where, you know, we have a beautiful new hotel, we wanted to show that off, what a beautiful reception with lots of food. And again, going through the booths, this last year, we had it at one of our other hotels here, the fundo, a little larger. And it was just it’s a fun time we give out incredible prizes. And the district really, you know, they really encourage those new teachers to come in, they’ve had two days of training, and they end up their their training time at our events. And our members love it because it gives them an opportunity to see you know, 400 people in a two hour time span and get their product and their information in front of them. And it just really kicks off the school year with a fantastic culture and attitude.

Brandon Burton 16:57
Yeah, I love it. So what a great way to welcome these teachers into a new community for it sounds like a lot of them, it’s a new community for them. Let’s talk a little bit about the logistics of it. Right. So you had mentioned vendors a few times. So I anticipate that they’re, they’re paying to have a booth of some sort, they’re sponsoring the program somehow. So kind of walk us through what does that look like, as far as the logistics of obviously, you’re serving food of some sort, whether it’s a breakfast or dinner, whatever, some something at this reception. So there’s moving parts to it. So kind of walk us through what that looks like,

Renee Earls 17:37
you know, any chamber professional knows that the leading up, there are hours of planning, and then you have this two hour event, it’s kind of like a wedding, you plan and plan and plan the minutes over. And we do have sponsors for this, we have a program, our Platinum sponsors where they at the beginning of the year, they commit to sponsoring every event we have. So we have about 25 of those. So they’re premier sponsors of that event. And then we also have a presenting sponsors. And like $1,000, you know, we probably have 10 or so of those. And then we have breakfast sponsors at about $500. And we might have about 10 of those. And depending on where we have it, obviously we haven’t a hotel, you know, they’re they’re responsible for where we’re purchasing the food from them from the catering. We have one particular credit union, that since we’ve started they every year, they get, you know, a very nice Yeti style mug, they fill it up with either, you know, if it’s breakfast, they’re doing a great coffee setup with every kind of flavor, you can imagine, they probably have 10 or 15 of their staff members, they have aprons, they it’s a huge deal for them, and that everyone wants to get to that booth. In fact, a couple of times they’ve run out because everybody goes people want to go to in the afternoon they’re filling it with you know different flavors of of tea from HTO. So these vendors will either they’re either a sponsor a breakfast sponsor, or they can just purchase a booth space. I think we’ve we’ve gone from you know, about two to $300 for the booth space. And we have the draping, we provide the table a couple of chairs, and they come in and dress that booth that almost like a business expo. Yeah. And basically that’s what it is because they’re going up and down rows to to learn about these different industries. We give them a piece of paper to encourage them to go to everyone and so once it’s complete, and they’ve seen it, you know, they’re putting their name in a big drawing. So, it there’s a lot of logistics to it. But again, our members love it. We start promoting it several months in advance and we fill up and honestly we’re Are, we’re running out of space. So. But it’s a great opportunity, it’s a lot of fun.

Brandon Burton 20:05
I think it is a great opportunity when you have, like you mentioned three to 400 new teachers coming in, to be able to match them up with local businesses in the community. So that I think that’s so key. When you’re new to a community and you’re looking to get established in a new community, you need a place to bank you need an insurance person, you need a physician, you need a dentist, you all these different things to get established in the community. So being able to help match them up with those Chamber members that are vendors or sponsors that the program, I think,

Renee Earls 20:37
benefit of being a chamber member to, you know, we have other groups who will come in and say, well, we want to have a booth, well, you’re not a chamber member. So that encourages them to to become a chamber member, I will say Chevron is has been our host or our our major sponsor from the get go. And every year we give the teachers are really nice, special gift. And for years, we were giving them something that they would put in the trunk of their car, it was like a trunk holder. And you know, it’s like a cloth bag, it had the chevron logo, it had the ECSD logo, it had our logo. We did that for years. And we listened to the teachers this last year, because they said, you know, many of our teachers are going from classroom to classroom and they they drag along that little, you know, things. So we’ve got them a wheeled cart that had the logos on it. And, you know, they love that. And again, I mean, they just filled it up, and we’ve had teachers, you know, post on social media, they’re getting all these awesome items. And many of our vendors will do things that they can utilize in their classroom, you know, supplies, because we all know, teachers are having to go and spend money out of their own pocket for supplies, and so many of our vendors will just fill them up with things that they can use in their classroom. And, you know, these teachers come to us and they’re emotional, and they’re just so thankful. And it’s it’s a great feeling. And we’ve been encouraged other chambers to do this, you know, in the in the chamber industry. We have that very important R&D that we talked about, which is rip off and duplicate. We want everyone to rip off and duplicate this program because it’s great. It’s a it’s an easy way to really promote your members and and make these teachers in such an important profession feel good. Yeah,

Brandon Burton 22:27
I love the idea of the wheelie tote, right. So it’s got your logos on it, they’re gonna use it every day, it’s being seen every day, all the other teachers are using them, versus something that sits in their trunk, and nobody’s ever gonna see it. I mean, it serves a purpose, and it’s a great gift. But to be able to have that win win, you know, all the way around. I love that. And then just to be able to see the involvement that the Chamber has with the schools. My wife actually works at our kids elementary school and not as a teacher, but front office and through COVID. You know, the kids weren’t allowed to drink out of the drinking fountains, right. So there was a realtor, local business realtor came in, he brought two pallets of water bottles to the school. Now, the kids all had water bottles. I don’t know how many months that lasted. But so just to see that involvement, when whether it’s a business or the chamber, getting involved with the schools, everybody notices, you know, they’re appreciative they see, you know, they’re grateful that somebody cares about them and providing tools and resources that they need. So, so important. And I know you guys are very connected with your local school district there. A while back, we had Chris Mead on the show, and he talked about the pen pal program that that you guys started with Odessa, Ukraine. You want to take a moment, just kind of tell your point of view story on that.

Renee Earls 23:54
Chris Mead, this was a fabulous idea that he had, he reached out to me and and he had some connections there in Odessa, Ukraine. And they are, you know, our sister city, if you will. And he just had this wonderful idea to connect students in Odessa, Ukraine was students in Odessa, Texas. So we got a hold of our school district, they then put us in touch with, I believe some of the social or history teachers. And so those teachers and those students started literally writing back and forth. Some of them had zoom meetings back and forth. And it was just amazing to see these students from two different worlds. Connect and at a time when things were so volatile in Odessa, Ukraine and they just really needed to hear from others that they were supporting them and, you know, the art of writing is really gone as well. You know, the pen pal program. I mean, that’s just not something people don’t write personal notes anymore. And we saw this too. units do that, and the teachers loved it. And again, that all goes back to Chris Mead and the idea that he had, so kudos to him. Yeah.

Brandon Burton 25:07
But what I love about that is a program like that doesn’t happen unless you already have that relationship with the school district. And just the lives that are being touched on both sides, both here and in Odessa, Texas, and there, and in Odessa, Ukraine, lives are being touched, stories are being shared, they’re being enriched by each other. And it’s all facilitated by having those relationships, through things like this through the new teacher welcome program and building that goodwill.

Renee Earls 25:37
You know, that’s what chambers are all about are about relationships. And we’re so fortunate to have very healthy relationships with our educational partners either in the our school district, we just recently passed, our community passed a bond for our school district, and our chamber really got behind that, as far as endorsing it in just that. One, we wanted people to go to the polls and vote because we’ve seen such voter apathy. Not very many people, you know, going to the polls, so we encouraged a very active voting awareness program. But also, these, again, are our future workforce, these students who are in school today will be working for us, they will be our bosses, they will be running these companies in this community, and we have to have a strong education program vient, the ISD. We have private members here that are private schools, we have charter schools, and then of course, our community college, and our university, we are so fortunate to have really good programs and partners with our education.

Brandon Burton 26:49
Industry. Absolutely. So it’s so important. I love it. And appreciate you highlighting, you know, this, this new teacher program or reception new teacher reception, I’d love to give you an opportunity for any chambers listening who wants to take their chamber up to the next level, what tip or action item might you offer to them to to consider maybe implementing at their own chamber?

Renee Earls 27:14
You know, one thing I think that is so valuable is just talking to other colleagues in the chamber industry, find out what other chambers are doing, find out what will work in your community and make it your own. Um, you know, we talked about this new teacher program at a Texas chamber conference probably five years ago, just highlighting what we do, in a room of about, you know, 100 people, and it was a, it was almost like speed dating, you find out, you know, a program that’s working in a community, you get some info on it, you go to the next person, well, we all got, you know, five to 10 ideas that day. And I think it’s so important to just find out what other groups are doing, don’t reinvent the wheel, find out something that you can take in your community and make it make it your own. And, you know, again, those relationships are so valuable, and not only the relationships with our own members in our own community, but with colleagues throughout the state in the country, and what’s happening and just like listening to your podcast, people get so many ideas, and can again, take that into their own chamber, and make it work for them.

Brandon Burton 28:23
That’s the idea. That’s the hope everybody listens, gets those ideas, and then, you know, takes what may be valuable to their own community and implemented and do their R&D and be a successful chamber, right? Well, Renee, I like asking everyone I have on the show, as we look to the future of chambers, how do you see the future of chambers and their purpose going forward?

Renee Earls 28:49
You know, chambers have have really changed a lot. membership organizations in general have changed over the many decades. We’re not your grandmother or your grandfather’s chamber anymore. And we can’t think that way. We can’t act that way. I think it’s so important that you know, because we are a membership based organization. If you look at any chambers budget any more. A large portion of your budget is not tied to actual memberships, because we’ve had to think of other ways to be successful and to create dollars for different programs. So I see, you know, the chamber is a major part of any community, or at least it should be, you know, our chamber is fortunate in that we have we’re we’re built on 90 years of just incredible volunteers who have served prior to us and have made our community what it is. And it’s so important for us to I tell people for an organization that’s supposed to be non political, you know, chambers are political. We we work with our all members, we work with all leaders, regardless of, you know, our, our party affiliation. And regardless of how we feel on certain issues, we all have to get along, we all have to work, our goal should always be with our community in mind. And I think for any, any chamber to thrive and continue to grow, is we have to continue to build those relationships, continue to meet in the middle, if you will, and just be the community cheerleader that talks about all the things that are happening in community, good and bad. But be the the person in the middle who can bring the people to the table to have a respectful conversation about how your community can grow, you know, be the be the liaison be the one who pulls everyone, the collaborator who pulls everyone together.

Brandon Burton 30:59
Absolutely. Yeah, chambers are political, but hopefully not divisive, like politics. Typically, you’re bringing into the middle. So I love that point. And in showing that role that chambers have in the future of being that same center and helping to be at the table and bring parties together to be able to come to a common goal and moving your community forward. I love that. Well, Renee, I wanted to give you an opportunity to share any contact information for anyone listening, who might want to reach out and connect and learn more about the new teacher reception or anything else you guys are doing there in Odessa, what would be the best way for someone to reach out and connect? Well, we

Renee Earls 31:40
would love to hear from you. Again, I think it’s so valuable for chamber professionals to connect with each other. So you can always reach out to us on our Facebook, Odessa chamber, make sure it’s Texas, there are a couple of chambers throughout the country at Odessa chambers, you can always, you know, email me at renee@odessachamber.com. And reach out to us here at the Chamber 432-332-9111 with lead to visit with you put you in connection with any of our staff on any of our programs that we’re working on. And follow us on social media. Again, I think we have to support each other as chamber professionals and just rely on each other to work us through you know, chamber profession is, as we said, at the beginning of this, you know, I feel like I have the best job in the community because I get to promote the chamber in my own community. But chamber work is hard. Chamber work is stressful. We’re working with a lot of personalities and a lot of people a lot of volunteers but at the end of the day, I wouldn’t be doing anything else. It’s it’s the peak of my career that I’ve I’ve enjoyed every minute of it. And you know, take time for yourself and rely on each other to see what’s working in what’s not.

Brandon Burton 33:02
I love it. So we will get your contact info in our show notes so people can pull that up and connect with you. But Renee, this has been so much fun having you on the podcast and learning more about the new teacher reception and the relationship you guys have with the your local school district there. And I appreciate your example and willingness to be with us today and providing all this value for us. Thank you for being with us today.

Renee Earls 33:25
Well thank you so much for giving the chambers a voice and for all of us to be able to learn from each other and through the programs that you do. And thank you for having me and thank you for allowing me to highlight great things happening here in Odessa, Texas.

Brandon Burton 33:41
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Our guest for this episode is Velma Knowles, Velma is a Gallup strength certified coach, human behavioral expert and best selling author from helping to build the Conservation Legacy of the Bahamas to leading award winning membership growth for associations. Boundless passion is helping organizations build a value driven culture of belonging. Velma enjoys photographing birds riding bikes and pretending she likes to exercise, Velma and mix excited to have you with us today on Chamber Chat Podcast, I’d love to give you an opportunity to say hello to all the Chamber Champions who are out there listening and to share something interesting about yourself so we can all get to know you a little bit better.

Velma Knowles 2:37
Well, Brandon, thank you so much for having me here today on your Chamber Chat Podcast. And thank you for the kind introduction. Something that listeners might not know about me, other than you’ve revealed my big secret, which is I’m from the islands of the Bahamas, now living here in the United States. But one of the things that they may not know is that I cut a demo recording at the age of 17 in the hopes of becoming a big country and western singer, which we know by the end of this episode, that did not happen.

Brandon Burton 3:18
That’s exciting, though. Not everybody can say that. And it’s kind of putting their their neck out there. So to speak, and and take a risk. So good job. So I’m curious where in the Bahamas are you from? Yeah,

Velma Knowles 3:31
so I was originally born on the island, the island of Nassau New Providence, like so officially now. And I have family throughout mostly in the Abacos and in Long Island.

Brandon Burton 3:43
Okay, well, hopefully you have a chance to get back there often.

Velma Knowles 3:47
So I do try to go several several times a year. Yeah, that’s

Brandon Burton 3:52
great. So I like giving all of the guests that I have on the show and opportunity just to tell a little bit about the work that you do. Kind of your business structure how you serve, especially when it comes specifically to Chambers of Commerce. How your your work aligns with chambers. Sure.

Velma Knowles 4:12
Yeah. Thank you again for that opportunity. For those that might not know me or a little bit about me, my career includes 20 Plus, and I always say plus because after 20 years to stop counting, but yeah, does 20 years working inside so I’m one that has been inside the not for not for profit space, especially in the association and world of providing services to members. And my span of expertise encompasses marketing, a membership engagement, retention and growth board, strategic planning and engagement and then of course, leadership development. And I want to just caveat that leaders To me are across the organization, they’re not those that are in higher positions. But I think everyone in the organization is a leader in one way or another. My last position was the vice president of member experience with a little brand that folks might have heard of called AAA. And so today, triple A services about 60 million members across the United States, and then Canada, Europe worldwide for the other arms of that Federation. In 2017, I had the opportunity to venture out on my own, and I felt called to serve more associations. And so today, I have my own business. It’s called leaders pathway where leaders go to grow. And that word leaders means you as the individual and your organization, I believe that your organization can only grow higher as you as the leader grows higher. And so it all starts inside, in order for it to grow outside. I work with chambers, not for profit, which could be donor based organizations, member based organ associations across the country. And my focus is really to help them create this culture of belonging where the members, the employees, and the board, which is that that ultimate leadership in there, they feel like they belong in that organization. And I know we’ll talk a little bit more about that as we go forward. But I truly believe that when you as an a leader of a member based organization, when you create that culture of belonging, you’re going to solve the challenges that you face around engagement, which I know is like top of the line and on everyone’s buying, retention, which we are we’re struggling with across the board, and then ultimately moving from stagnation or, you know, a declining growth to a sustainable model for growth. So I hope that level sets a little bit about me, I do executive coaching, I do strategic planning, I do public speaking for workshops, and conferences. And I also do employee retreats and membership planning. Very

Brandon Burton 7:18
good. Now, that definitely gives us a good snapshot of the work that you’re involved with. And I love the focus on leadership. And I think no matter what position you serve at at a chamber, that you are a leader, you’re helping to drive the vision for your community. And if you are the chamber executive, you should be thinking about training the next leader, right? So at some point, you will leave and you want to make sure you’re leaving the organization in a good position to continue growing and have that strength. And I love to you when in the context of leaders, you talked about kind of hitting the the potential and everything I think it’s John Maxwell talks about the lid, yes, the organization is only as as good as the leader right if the leader caps at a certain point and the organization caps so we want to be able to unleash that lid so that the organization can grow so well Velma and I’m excited to get into our conversation today. And we’ll be focusing our you know, the bulk of our conversation around the idea of fostering a sense of belonging as you alluded to, and specifically to impact membership growth. So we will dive deeper into this conversation as soon as they get back from this quick break.

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Brandon Burton 11:50
All right, Velma. We’re back. So as we talk about fostering a sense of belonging to impact membership growth, what does that look like? From your perspective? I know you had mentioned, you know, fostering a sense of belonging for members B, it also mentioned for the board. So how do these dynamics play together for the strength of the organization? Yeah,

Velma Knowles 12:12
sure. Well, if the if you haven’t heard me speak yet, you’ll you’ll hear this message over and over again. And that is that I believe that there are three things that everyone everyone wants in life, it doesn’t matter if you are the board member, the member of the organization, the staff and employees, there’s three things that everyone wants. And what they want is to be seen, to be heard, and to be valued. See, to me fostering a sense of belonging is you have to build a connection. And in order to do that, you need to be able to see people for who they are to hear them the voice and the things that are on their mind. And then to value them and their contribution. Engagement is not an activity. And when I when I look at what the you know, my my clients are doing what chambers and associations or member organizations in general, what they do is there like a heavy focus on engagement, and I totally my whole heart understand why. But engagement is is not an activity that you do, you don’t, you know, have this webinar or have this conference to get people engaged or recruit people into volunteer, it’s about a connection. And when people are connected to the mission, and when they’re connected to the individuals. That’s when you see this sense of belonging happening. I’ll give you a good example. Myself, okay, I was a member of an organization that shall remain anonymous, because we’re not promoting anyone. And then, you know, this worldwide pandemic, came into play some time in our life here. And in the end, all of a sudden, a lot of things kind of shut down. And so when it was time to renew my membership, I was like, Well, you know, I can’t I can’t go to the functions that can’t do things the normal way. And so I, I paused, I know, I paused my membership, or full disclosure, and I said, I’m not going to renew. And then you know, as things started to get back into what we would consider the next stage of this work, force, the next work environment that we’re in and, and moving on to the future. I said, you know, what, I miss my connections. I miss the people that I was so close to when I was there. And so literally, I really, you know, reinstated my my membership and they took me back. And the big idea whether it was a webinar, which is, you know, a service you provide, or whether it was the annual conference, or whether it was the mag Xen I got or whether it was, you know, a lunch and learn that they had or coffee club that you got to go to whatever the Chamber’s had available to us. It was an opportunity to connect with those people that I have a relationship with. And so I say that to say that when you create a sense of belonging, you’re really creating a place for people to connect. People need to feel like I’m seeing when I’m there, people recognize me, Hey, Brian, great to see you. I, you know, me, and you’re connecting with me, you hear me? If I tell you that I have this problem or this challenge in my business, you hear what I have to say. And it’s not just listening for the sake of listening, but it’s listening with a focus on how do you help me solve that? And if you can’t solve it specifically from the chamber, how can you connect me to a resource that you might have that can help you solve that? And then do you value me, and I don’t mean value in the sense of the dollars that I pay for my membership, I mean, value me in the sense that you appreciate what I can bring to the table, maybe there’s a specific strength that I have, or a specific expertise that you could tap into, that is a resource for someone else in my community here in my chamber, that that has a need. And so I just feel like personal connections, build engagement. And engagement is, is fortifies retention, and retention gives you results. But connections are not products. It’s a personal connection. It’s not a product, like a webinar, or conference, or any of the beautiful things that we use, those are just vehicles to help us create that connection.

Brandon Burton 16:59
So you’re really upsetting the paradigm they’re not an activity and personal connections are not a product. Right? So, man. I appreciate the three things you talked about. Everybody needs to be seen, heard and valued. And, and I think from a board perspective, as as a chamber executive working with the board, I think those three things are, they’re super important to implement. And I think you can be very strategic with how you do that. Because you’re, you’re dealing with a limited, you know, a finite amount of people, right, that you’re trying to have seen be seen, heard and valued. As you open that up to the membership in general, everybody tends to join the chamber for different reasons. They I mean, they all join probably to raise their bottom line, right to make a little more money, benefit their company, but the way they the vehicles to get there, they see different value with the chamber. Right. So as a chamber approaches individual members, how do you make those personal connections to help them be seen heard and valued? Sure.

Velma Knowles 18:15
Yeah. And I think it gets to how do you create those communities within the community. And and I say that because coming from, you know, working inside a very large Association, and then working voluntarily with some chambers offering support to help them in their membership growth. As a member of that chamber. What I’ve found is that, you know, all members are important. Get ready for this one, but all members are not equal. And so what that means is that if you as a an association, you have a very small staff, even if you’re a big chamber, you have a small staff, and you can’t be all things to all people. And so marketing segmentation, which is not anything new here, but really trying to understand that 8020 principle, but warming what is known as these micro communities, or a community or, you know, a special interest group is another way of labeling it, but it’s a community within the community. So you have a member base, and then you look at that member base, and you say, who’s really, you know, my, my big 8020? Right, the the members that are truly engaged, that are volunteering, that are sponsoring that are doing the things that elevate the whole chamber, and then you say what of those individuals what is the needs that they have and form groups so that other people can connect on a smaller scale to get their problem solved and see a greater value in In the return for the dollars that they’re investing in, so I think it begins with really understanding, you know, where it where are the chamber champions, we will use your word a coin here, which I love. Where are those champions, those chamber friends that are inside the association and organization? And how can you create those sub communities that allow others to come in and feel seen, heard and valued, because it’s a smaller group, where everyone can have a place? You know, when you when you when you look back, and you research the whole idea around? Why chambers exists? Why, why what is a chamber of commerce, a Chamber of Commerce is really a place to, we’ll use the word network, which is the kind of the old school hat, right? Because that kind of has a different connotation. What is networking, ooh, nobody likes to network, I want to bring that forward to today’s and I want to modernize it in the 21st century. And it’s connection, it is not networking here, here’s a business card like speed date, it’s truly connecting and being seen, heard and valued. And I think when we can put on that, that member, first that people first sense of, of a culture, we’re trying to build those connections in a genuine way. And I really want to say genuine, genuine rapport. That’s when you reap the benefits of greater engagement, retention and growth.

Brandon Burton 21:34
So great, great response, the thought that comes to my mind, is this unnamed organization that you are a member of and drop the membership for a short time and then miss the connections that you had. Was it the connections with the leadership of that organization? Or was it the connections with the other individual members of the organization?

Velma Knowles 21:57
Very good question. And so let me let me do this. First and foremost, it is the members first, and for to me, they were members in that association or organization that I couldn’t wait to hug again, I couldn’t wait to see to talk of old stories and to make new memories. But did I have a connection within the leadership, I would say that it was selected. And, and it’s because you know, when you when you have, when you have a staff, and I’ve been in those shoes, you’re working in a small organization where you got a lot of members, but you’ve got a job to do. And so you’re very focused on trying to get the job to do and, and sometimes you can miss the person, when you’re focused on getting that project. And this is in any organization, you know, we tend to focus on project project project, but then we missed the person. And I think for me, it’s been where certain individuals in the leadership of the organization has seen me, and they hear me and they value me, and they’re like, oh, yeah, great, you know, and there’s that connection. But then unfortunately, that doesn’t trickle down to the entire team, even if their entire team is five people. And so that’s why I go back full circle, that, to create that culture of belonging has to begin on the inside, you know, if your employees feel like they’re seen, heard and valued, you’re going to foster that type of behavior, that’s going to then trickle outside. And then any member in your organization any prospective or like, I like to call them future member, any future member is going to be like, I gotta belong, they have random makes me feel like I missing out on something, I gotta, I just want to be there. Because I want to be among that, you know, people like Brandon. And I think that’s where the opportunity, that’s why I’m heavily passionate about, you know, your, your leadership has to in leadership across the organization, they have to buy into this culture of belonging, and then live that out every day for your members to be able to experience that and then want to stay.

Brandon Burton 24:10
I thought that’s where your response might go. So like,

Velma Knowles 24:18
oh, my gosh, I feel like Okay, pass the test.

Brandon Burton 24:24
So, I love the line that you had said about how all members are important, but they’re not equal.

Velma Knowles 24:31
Yeah, I

Brandon Burton 24:32
just need to let it sink in. Right. Yeah. Usually

Velma Knowles 24:35
when I say that, when I’m at board, you know, when I’m with my clients, and I do a board strategic planning session and, and, you know, we were talking about membership member engagement, member experience, and then they’ll, you know, they kind of throw some things at me and I’ll say, Well, you know, just let this sit for a minute. Okay, I’m gonna let this just let this plane land here. And and I tell them, you know, members are important. And everybody’s like nodding their head. Absolutely. You know, because they’re all members, everyone on the board is a member, right? Yeah, in different levels of capacity representing their companies. And I said, but all members are not equal. And then I’m like, will they ever bring me back to work for them again, right? So you know, and then it kind of sinks in, and then one or two people will say, Well, can you expand on that a little bit. And so I think that it’s, it’s not to take anything away from the the value of each individual in a member, you know, organization or customer if for that matter, because, you know, I wrote the book, the valuable leader, that’s my shameful plug in. And so I, I truly believe everyone brings value, but you’re running a business, the chamber is a business, it’s not for profit. It’s not nonprofit, right? It’s a it’s a business. And so you have to apply some strategic business processes. And that that’s one of them. Yeah,

Brandon Burton 26:03
and I think oftentimes, those members that are of higher value and value, there’s different ways to assess value with a member, right. But you talked about an 8020 rule. So you may look at that 20%, that are really bringing in 80% of those key metrics. And that may be a good pool to look at, as you’re looking for future ambassadors there, people get what your chamber does, or people who can get on board with your vision, and help make those connections with other businesses in the community. So I love that you point that out, you draw attention to the 8020 principle, and, and lean into that. So there’s a lot there. So I feel like I have to ask you, you have a term called Tiger Teams, can you tell us a little bit of Tiger team is and

Velma Knowles 27:00
yeah, tiger team. So when I was working inside the association world, one of the things that I got tasked by the CEO to do was to turn around a membership deficit. Now, you know, this is a big number. But if you put everything in perspective, wherever you are in the world, if you are losing members, it is a big number. Okay? Because it’s a problem that you have a big challenge you have to face. And so we had a, we had a huge member deficit that needed to turn around. And I was in the marketing department. And if you work in any support area of a company, you know that you’re there to serve the operations teams. And so to be called on to lead such an important task. First and foremost, I had the considered it a career opportunity for a promotion, or a career limiting move. And, and so thankfully, it turned out that I had the opportunity to literally turn this deficit around. But I didn’t do it by myself. And I always say that whenever I engage or work with, you know, coaching for for clients, or if I’m a part of the board planning, I always say that I don’t, I don’t have all the answers. But all the answers are in this room. And so I had this idea creatively, to tap into the various what I would call experts in each department. And so no matter how small your organization is, it’s got individuals that have a different discipline, a different set of lenses, if you will, that they look at the business every day. And so they see things and have a perspective, that’s very different than yours, right? And sometimes, I know we can, we can have such a deep focus on what we’re doing that we end up with blind spots, I like to call them blind spots where we just can’t see what’s what’s outside of our vision, and someone coming from a different lens can see what maybe you can’t and so, the idea was to bring together this group of people and the marketer in me said, nobody wants another job to do especially in a small organization. How do I how do I, how do I motivate? Or how do I inspire? How do I, you know, just bring this group where they want to belong to this to this challenge that we have this task force and it was called the task force, the membership retention Task Force, and I was like, Ah, I think you know, that just painful, right? And so I decided that I was gonna rebrand it, and I came up with teen Tiger. And so the tiger was a inside marketing strategy, if you will. that I created. And so I came up with a new name. And the team Tiger consisted of those that were going to be very passionate about running after, you know, running after the members that we were losing in the hopes of bringing them back and setting the stage to really give a roar, if you will, around how important it is to belong, the value proposition that you would get and really shoring up some of the things that that we felt we were missing. And so team Tiger became known throughout the organization, I just started talking it up. And it was interesting, because within eight months to a year, after testing a lot of ideas, I had people volunteering, can I be on Team Tiger? And so I was like, Well, you know, we’re really right now we’re just trying to kind of manage, because we didn’t want it to be too big either. Because then it becomes, you know, it becomes a place where it’s harder to have everyone be seen, heard and valued, right, becomes too big. So we did, we did rotate folks off because of other responsibilities and to bring in new perspectives. But it worked. So well. And you know, that it, we not only turned around the deficit, but we exceeded our goal within the time of budget. And so it’s safe to say I was able to keep my job. But then after, after that time, in the in that organization, I got tapped by another CEO, because sometimes people think, well, that’s a one and done. And, you know, it was a silver bullet. And you guys had some tricks of the trade. And for a while there, I thought that to Brendan, but then I got tapped by another CEO. And he said, I heard about what you did in this organization leading this team Tiger. And I was like, wow, you know, news travels. And he said, I would like to, I’d like to talk to you about doing some consulting workforce. And I was like, Well, I don’t really consult but I coach, there’s a big difference, you know, because I think you’ve got the power and you’ve got the talent, they just need a different lens, a different perspective, right, someone to come in and kind of cheer them on champion them and their cause and their tie in and reenergize them. And, and so I had the opportunity to engage with them, it was three weeks of doing some preliminary roll, you know, just kind of getting the lay of the land. And then I was asked to go to present to the board. So they flew me up for a 20 minute presentation. And I couldn’t even go to the board meeting, this was so funny, because they flew me to did to go to the board. But I can only come in the board room at the time of my presentation, which was only going to be for 20 minutes. And so I was like, okay, so I went in, I really didn’t have anything to report on. I mean, it’s three weeks, so you can’t really get a good feel for Okay, here’s, here’s the solutions you need right now. But I, I did present a business case. And, and not only a case, but a pathway forward, if you will, I call it the pathway principle. And it’s just really four things for them to have to look at, you know, know your numbers. And so really getting into your your data, your member data, know your numbers, know your resources, you got to know resources. And when I talk about resources, I talk about who you have in the organization, and who you have outside your organization, resources, like staff, or like members that are a part of your organization in your chamber. And they have expertise, but but also your partners, and your vendors, right, or industry vendor partners, because they’re due or different. Sponsors may be different as well. But those expertise, so know your resources, number three is you have to know your value. So is the value that you bring to your member base, relevant, as my good friend, Mary buyers would say, is the relevance there today as it was when you first started. And I think you know, for all of us, we have to take a look at what our value is, as we go forward. And then the fourth step on that pathway principle is really to know your plan. And that sounds very simple. But it’s not easy. Because everybody’s got a day to day job. And so I just presented that pathway principle and the thesis that I had so far, and at the end of 20 minutes, my my time was over. And we met when we met at around six 630 for cocktails, and it was then in there that the CEO said I’d like To bring you on board 100% full time, we want you to work with our organization to turn around our membership, retention deficit. And I thought, Okay, I got a year. And three years later with Team Tiger inside another organization, we won the Federation growth award for the highest net growth. Year over year, every year, we exceeded budget. So it’s not me, I really, really really don’t want to, to shortchange anyone here it is the collective connection. I’ll go back to that, again, of having the right people on Team tiger with with a focus of creating that culture where they want to belong, and where people want to belong as members to

Brandon Burton 35:51
very good. And your right, team Tiger sounds way more sexy than membership retention task force. So for anyone out there who’s on a membership retention Task Force, maybe, you know, think about rebranding it. Yeah,

Velma Knowles 36:03
I tell you, it goes. It’s just built curiosity. And you know, curiosity sparks interests, and interests, then return gives you a return on your investment.

Brandon Burton 36:15
Right? Well, Velma, as we start to wrap things up here, I want to ask you for any chamber champions that are out there listening who wants to take their organization up to the next level? What kind of tip or action item might you share with them that they can implement it their organization?

Velma Knowles 36:33
Right? Oh, yeah. When I thought about this question, because in full disclosure, you gave me all these questions. And, and I thought, well, what would what would I want someone to say to me, and I could rattle off several different tactics that you can test. But I think they’re shortchanged. And I don’t think you have to know more about that chamber in order to really give them good direction there. So for me, I would say, if there’s one thing I would, would challenge, or even encourage my chamber champions to do is to, first and foremost, look at, look at your, your organization, your communication to your members, and to your future members. And ask yourself, Am I focused on communicating how I solve the problems that I know they have? Or am I focused on communicating the services that I offer? I think there’s a big difference between, you know, when you say, I’m going to communicate the problem, the solutions to the problems I solve, versus the services that I offer. Services are, you know, things that you get from membership. But everyone has those services, right? I mean, just about even even for profit organizations now have member based organizations, Facebook, and Amazon, and they have magazines, and, you know, they may not have conferences, but they’ve got a lot of different other benefits that that that are traditional in our membership model. So I think when you focus on selling the problem that you solve, giving them the solutions to the things that you can provide, I think that that over the service, because it services services, that is what I expect, solutions is what I need. Right?

Brandon Burton 38:27
I had heard a quote, it’s been a few years back now, but it went to the the effect of if you can define the problem better than your future customer or client member, whoever it is, they assume that you have the answer. So if you can get good at defining their problem, they will assume that you have the answer. So to your point with communication that is key. So as we look to the future of chambers of commerce, how do you see the future of chambers and their purpose going forward?

Velma Knowles 39:00
Oh, you are going to be so surprised by this one. But I think the future of my chamber champions out there, and I would, I would invite all businesses, so if they they listen in anyone outside of this listens in, I think that your greatest future opportunity is focused on connection. You know, the Surgeon General of the United States here has reported in this timeframe that we’re in that one of the greatest health crisis is not it’s not heart disease, it’s not, you know, smoking or cancer or any of those other really, you know, detrimental health issues that that we face. It’s it’s loneliness. And the solution to that is connection, and it brings us full circle because the primary reason of the existence for our chambers is to connect people So I really, really believe that I’ll use the quote that, you know, if you want to be stronger. You know, if you if you want, how does it go, if you want to go fast, go alone. But if you want to go further go together. And I think partnerships through collaboration is a way that you’re going to be able to provide solutions to problems that don’t even exist today for your future members and existing members. And it’s going to allow you to be viewed as innovative, creative, and a leader in really bringing organizations together. And I think that is going to elevate your board leadership. It’s going to elevate your member engagement, increase your employee retention, and it’s going to give you a sustainable organization for the future.

Brandon Burton 40:56
Very good. I love it. Getting back to the basics back to the roots of what chambers are all about. Well, Velma, I wanted to give you an opportunity to share any contact information or places you’d like to point people to follow you or connect with you and learn more about the services you offer. Anything you touched on today. Where would you point them to? To connect with you?

Velma Knowles 41:19
Yeah, sure. Thank you. Thank you, again, so much, Brandon, for the opportunity to be on the Chamber Chat Podcast I and to be such a an easygoing post. So I appreciate that. No real tough, tough questions here. But thank you so much for helping me be well prepared for our listeners. It’s really truly my honor to serve today. And I’m very easy to find. i My website is my name Velma Knowles and so it’s VelmaKnowles.com. And if you go there, I have some resources that are just free that you know, anyone can tap into some of them are on membership, and some are on leadership blindspots communication things that can help your team inside the organization level up, if you will, and then help your help your organization from a growth retention engagement standpoint. So I would just suggest go to VelmaKnowles.com, of course, I’m on LinkedIn, under the same name, and, and so and social media channels as well. I’m in on YouTube, I have a small podcast, a YouTube podcast called Your Leadership Chat.

Brandon Burton 42:32
Very good love podcast. So I know you check out Velma there. And we’ll we’ll get all of that in our show notes to make it easy for people to click and follow yes and learn more about what you have to offer. But I appreciate you spending time with us today. Here on chamber tap podcast, you provided a lot of value, a lot of perspectives. I took a lot of notes, and a lot of good. I don’t want to just say one liners because I think that shortchanges them but those lines that make you think you know and make you kind of look internally a little bit more and a little deeper on the the comments he made today. So thank you for for coming on and sharing that and I really do think you’ve provided a ton of value for us today.

Velma Knowles 43:14
Thank you, and thank you to the listeners and for supporting the Chamber Chat Podcast.

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Business Building vs. Networking with Sharon Mayer

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I’m excited today to have Sharon Mayer with us Sharon is the President and CEO of the Allen Fairview Chamber of Commerce and a little bit of background on Sharon. She was named the President CEO of the Allen Chamber in August of 1997. She began her career in her chamber work career as a part time employee at the Arlington Chamber of Commerce in 1989. She then quickly moved up the ranks and in 1995, she accepted the position as president of the DeSoto Chamber. During her tenure at the Arlington chamber she completed the IOM program in record time and continuing education in chamber work is still important to her today she has to Institute for Advanced Management courses that she’s participated in when an SMU and went to Colorado Springs Institute programs. Working with other chambers and within the state association is extremely important to Sharon. during and following her tenure on the TCC board she facilitated retreats for area chambers and assisted in the planning and facilitation for annual programs and chamber basic courses hosted by that association. Sharon joined the Board of Regents for the Center of Chamber Excellence in 2004, where she participated as an instructor for member bait membership basics, and served as Chairman of the Board of Regents. She also served as board member on the North Texas Chamber Executives which represents over 42 chambers in the north Texas area. And as the 2023 board chair. She is a past member of Board of Directors for WAC II, and Sharon serves on the North Texas Commission Board and their executive committee in 2011. Under Sharon’s leadership, the Allen chamber expanded to become the Allen Fairview Chamber of Commerce serving two very diverse communities in 2022, that marks Sharon’s 33rd year in the chamber business, and 25 years as CEO of the Allen Fairview chamber. In 1997. She married Paul Mayer, who’s the CEO of the garland Chamber of Commerce. Together they have five children and nine grandchildren. Sharon, we’re excited to have you with us today on Chamber Chat Podcast, I’d love to give you an opportunity to say hello to all the Chamber Champions and share something interesting about yourself so we can all get to know you a little better.

Sharon Mayer 4:28
Well, hello, everyone. I am absolutely thrilled to be here with you today and looking forward to our discussion. You pretty much told everybody about my life

Brandon Burton 4:40
secrets, right? There

Sharon Mayer 4:43
are a couple of things that were not included on that. So I have a certification from the University of Texas at Arlington and as a paralegal, which I’ve never used one time in my entire life. I was also I’m a licensed real estate agent and sold one house. But the only reason that I was involved in real estate is because my late husband away, and I owned a real estate company in order for me to keep it going, should anything happen to him? And unfortunately, it did. I had to be a licensed Realtor so that, you know, we built houses. I had a business, especially advertising business that did hand engraving on sunglasses, and our biggest client was Harley Davidson for 1000s of pairs annually. And then guess what they did, they found out that you could go to China and have them stamp for a lot less money. So pretty much tied to that business.

Brandon Burton 5:50
That’s the story of a lot of small businesses these days. Right.

Sharon Mayer 5:53
So so that’s a lot of historical stuff that that I don’t mention in my bio.

Brandon Burton 6:00
Yeah. So tell us a little bit about the Allen Fairview chamber just to give us an idea of the size of the chamber scope of work, you guys are involved with staff budget, just to kind of set the table for discussion.

Sharon Mayer 6:13
All right. So our chamber is right under 600. Members at this time, our budget is a little over 500,000 annually. And I will say that, probably 55% of that goes for staff. Because if you if you don’t invest in those resources, those people resources, then you’re doing your chamber a disservice. I have four and a half, three and a half employees. We have a finance director, a membership director and a programming special events director plus, I am so fortunate to have a part time law student who was actually started with our chamber as an intern when she was in high school, and worked has worked remotely for us all the way through her undergrad, and now her law school. And she’s in her third year of law school. And she works remotely and does all of our social media and marketing and things like that. So and she’s she’s just excellent.

Brandon Burton 7:33
So that was my next question with her working. So I love hearing about chambers utilizing interns first. But then to have her working remote to retain her as she goes through her schooling, what type of stuff she’s doing social media marketing, what other kinds of things do you have her

Sharon Mayer 7:51
to keep the graphics, but she does all the social media stuff. And you know, she does the promotional graphics and things for all of our programming. And I mean, she’s really creative, and does a great job she just completed we just had our annual gala and she did all the collateral for that. And it was it was done as well as the marketing firm that we had been paying $26,000 a year you know, on a contract to do and you know, and she’s she I think she she’s just under $20 An hour and she tracks her time and it’s definitely saving us money plus it puts money in her pocket you know, and

Brandon Burton 8:41
love her find a big chunk of change in the budget like that. Well for our our topic today we’ve titled this episode business building versus networking. And we did that because of the approach that the Allen Fairview chamber takes in approaching their members and, and how they call different things you know, the the Cymatics, if you will, so we’ll get into a much deeper conversation on this as soon as we get back from this quick break.

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Brandon Burton 11:37
All right, Sharon, we’re back. So as I mentioned before the break business building versus networking, what’s the difference?

Sharon Mayer 11:46
Great, big, huge difference. So everyone does not everyone does networking, one way or another, obviously. But the reason that we chose to focus on this building business is because you got to go back to our mission, the mission, our mission is to advocate educate and build relationships that enable our communities and our members to prosper. So everything that we do to us back to our mission, and changing the name of what we at one time called Allen net, that was when we were teeny tiny and there were 12 people in the room networking, and then we changed it to Tuesday morning Live, which everybody still calls it Tuesday morning lab, at least those who have been around for a while it has transitioned to now it’s coffee and connections. And so we wanted to use the connecting and the building and all of that together. And it is now grown to around 90 in attendance every week. And these people understand the value of building a business network, which is not the same thing as networking, they do not spend their time shoving their business card in somebody else’s nose under their insight, you know, here, I have something that would benefit you. And you know, just going on and on and talking about yourself. What’s really interesting, if you attend one of our networking’s is that you find out that they’re not talking about themselves. They’re talking about everybody else in the room. They’re talking about how Joe really helped Sammy over here, you know, find a plumber, and it was an emergency he needed somebody. And, and they also have I mean, they have fun with it because they make up silly sayings and silly names about their other businesses. And they just, they make it fun. And I think if you talked about the whole atmosphere, around our business building, whether it’s the morning or whether it’s a an after hours event, or whatever it might be, you’re gonna find that people talk about us as a family, not as a membership organization, because they are all so connected, and their friends and they invite others to come in all the time, which is the reason that it has grown the way that it has. And it all goes back to the to what we originally said is you’re in these seats and in front of these people to build your business. But the best way to build your business is to and we’ll use the word network to network with people that you know I can trust and the people who are in that room Boom, know, like and trust one another. And a byproduct of that is that they know, like and trust staff know, like and trust the organization. And it just, it helps us to increase our influence within the community. But it also helps us when we’re building our membership.

Brandon Burton 15:20
Yeah. So I know, I get the sense that networking is like a four letter word there that now in Fairview chamber? How did you successfully go about changing the mindset for people as they’re set on? Using that four letter word, networking, and converting that to business building?

Sharon Mayer 15:43
We just stopped. We didn’t, we never, we don’t ever tell anybody anything. We just sort of start using a different term ourselves, and move on from there. And it just catches on.

Brandon Burton 16:00
So about how long ago did you guys make the shift from calling these networking events to build business building events? Well, it

Sharon Mayer 16:08
started during and right after the pandemic. You know, that was, you know, well, that was a really horrible time in our lives. And thank God that we’re, you know, on the other side of that, it was also from our chamber perspective, and our engagement. And like I said, our, I guess we’re influenced within the community, probably the best thing that’s ever happened to us. Because our chamber had to keep connecting people, but we had to do it the, you know, like we do now, with Zoom calls a lot of times. And so that was when we thought, you know, okay, we’re not, we’re networking, but we’re not networking. And we’re not doing this face to face thing. So let’s just kind of change the way that we present this and the way we said, so if they became business building opportunities, and we’ve just kind of hung on to it after that.

Brandon Burton 17:09
Yeah. Yeah, I know, a lot of people networking can be a very intimidating phrase, if you say, to a new member, for example, Hey, we have this networking event coming up. And you see the sweat start coming down their foreheads, I got to talk to people and get uncomfortable and do you know, pass out business cards and be sold by everybody in the room, versus changing that and saying, we’re having a built a business building event, come and learn how you can grow your business. And it’s a totally different perspective for the similar kind of outcomes. But it changes that perspective coming into it for a different objective

Sharon Mayer 17:47
does and in fact, if I were to tell you something else, about myself and my husband as well, that nobody that we interact with, when believe is neither one of us are extroverts. We are not, we would rather than being alone in the office door closed, nobody bother you. But you, it’s so it’s not a natural thing for us to do. But at the same time, this is something that we have to learn in our positions, and we put ourselves out there so we can really understand. And I particularly can understand the reluctance of someone to just show up cold at a networking event. So what we have done other than Chase, or is that we make sure that there is someone there to greet them and someone to take them and say, Come over here, let me introduce you to these people, you know, and our members do not sit with their friends, because we tell them when you’re sitting with your friends, you’re not building your business. So you just sit with someone that you don’t know. And the best ones to sit with. And the ones that you get to know really well as time goes by is that if you’re the first person that that a new person that comes to one of our events meets, then they automatically feel like if you’re open and welcoming, and all of that they feel like okay, they’ve made one friend in a group of 90. And so it’s a little less intimidating that way.

Brandon Burton 19:12
Yeah. So I’ve recently heard a term when you’re in a situation like that social setting, that you tend to see the circles of people, right that stand in the circle and talk. And the idea was instead of creating circles to create horseshoes to where it’s open for newcomers where you can be welcoming for newcomers to join the conversation. They don’t feel shut out because they’re looking at everybody’s back. And you purposely leave an opening.

Sharon Mayer 19:38
Yeah, and our volunteers, basically our ambassadors, our business success advocates, both of them. Both groups are really really good about taking a member or a visitor under their wings. And they don’t talk to them about the chamber but they they actually stay And during the 32nd commercials, and they do the first commercial for them, so that they actually feel more comfortable the next time they come back.

Brandon Burton 20:09
Okay. Yeah, I like that having the volunteers there to just help make sure that they have a good experience that they’re meeting people getting connected with those right individuals that will help build their business. So. So you also take a different spin on some other vernacular than your, in your chamber. For example, members versus investors. You had another one it had to do with sponsors, that have sponsors, partners, and so the sponsors, talk to us a little bit about the the thought that goes into those names.

Sharon Mayer 20:48
Well, my staff gets worried when I start thinking. And because I like changing things up, because I think everything gets old, it gets stale. So we may do the same series of Legends, or breakfast meetings. But we don’t call them them. I mean, you know, so So I sit down and I go, Okay, let’s see what would be start, let’s start your day. And then I go start smart topics and relevant themes. So I mean, you know, everything has a meaning to me, I have to have that. So. So we changed the name of start. And then we changed the name Merlin engines to bold bol D stands for nothing, just bold topics, okay. And speakers. So that led to the whole thought process of Okay, now we’re looking for sponsors for these events. And why not just say, hey, come partner with us on this event. Because partnerships, in my opinion, are a much closer, more personal relationship than a sponsorship, sponsors write checks, partners get involved in the whatever event it might be. And we involve them ahead, we promote them like crazy, but we involve them by asking them to come in and introduce the speakers, give them time on the program, you know, to talk about their business. And that’s how we refer to them. So and then you talk about the the member versus investor. So members are easy to lose, investors are a little bit harder. Because what you’re doing is you are working within your organization, but you’re you’re drawing them in, and when you refer to them as investors, then they see that what they’re doing with those dollars, is that they’re investing not in the chamber. They’re investing in their business. And they’re investing in the community and economic growth within our communities. And we use those terminologies all the time, invest in your business, invest in your community.

Brandon Burton 23:12
I like that. Yeah, the investor definitely brings a level of commitment, where a membership is like, you know, see how it works for me see what’s in it for me, right?

Sharon Mayer 23:22
We still get a lot better, you’re always gonna get what’s in it for me.

Brandon Burton 23:26
Right? Right. So another terminology that I picked up on is you don’t necessarily call your volunteers or ambassadors these, you said six business success advocates. Yes. Is that are those essentially ambassadors or do you have ambassadors as well,

Sharon Mayer 23:44
we have ambassadors as well. But what we’ve done is we’ve taken some things away from the ambassadors and given it to this new group that we’ve had in about two years now. So our ambassadors are still the meters in the greeters and the the ribbon cuttings and you know, open houses, all of that. Our business success advocates are BSA as we call them, are focused on retention. And they are focused on building relationships after someone joins Not, not when they show up at one of the coffee and connections or that sort of thing, because they’re the ones that will, will call members, especially first year members every three months. So they’re kinda like a mentor. They tell them about not chamber events, but they tell them about chamber benefits, particularly at whatever level they have joined it because we have a, you know, tiered dues investment schedule. And they forget, they join, they choose this level, and they think, oh, yeah, I’m gonna do this. I’m gonna do that. Well, we track what they do and what they don’t do. And so our Business Success Advocate which is really hard to say. I actually have a list and they know what the expectations were when that member joined. And they can relate to them. Because I mean, they’re members themselves. And so they’re peer to peer. And it’s a lot easier. And a lot, it’s really a lot better and more impactful conversation when you’re talking to someone who is is your peer, rather than you’re talking to this chamber staff person.

Brandon Burton 25:28
Yeah, absolutely. So I’m curious, the question comes to my mind, as you talk about these PSAs business success advocates. There, they’re there as mentors to help guide these new investors along their path at the chamber. As a new business joins the chamber invests in their business and their community, are you having the opportunity to evaluate where maybe they can get involved with whether it’s a committee or as a weather ambassador, or Business Success Advocate or partner, whatever it may be?

Sharon Mayer 26:09
Yes, but we do have some rules. You need to be a member for at least a year, before you can join either the investor group or the business success and this good group X PSA Group. But those are the only two where we really have a rule. I mean, we have a dei committee, we have a legislative affairs business advocacy committee. So those were, if that is your, what you’re interested in, then you can join immediately if that’s what you want to do. And we introduce them to these things gradually. It’s all in their membership packet that they you know, but the other thing about membership packets is, you know, they’re drinking through a firehose, instead of, you know, a water fountain or a water bottle, whatever it might be. And they forget and so that’s what the BSA is, do they remind them that you know, here’s an opportunity to hear but also don’t forget, you know, you get on the chamber podcast at your level of membership, you get three minutes on the you know, the podcast, you get a free hole at the golf tournament, you get all you know, other things, the

Brandon Burton 27:28
podcasts that you guys have in your chamber, right.

Sharon Mayer 27:33
Past Al Anon action, don’t ask me why didn’t say Fairview in action, but it started out Elden an action. And that’s the way it’s remained. So yeah. And it’s kind of fun, because we get to talk about our members. And we do and they get to participate depends, like I said, depending on their level of sponsorship members, what’s that word investment? Yes. But yeah, it gets a little tongue twister when you get right down to it. But you know, we have, we have not a huge audience. But we do have our regulars who listen all the time, we have a little over 600 that, you know, that subscribe to the podcast, very easily found right there at the top bar website, on the left hand side, along with our blog, and all the other things that I add to it continually.

Brandon Burton 28:28
That’s great. I’m a big fan of chamber soon podcast, as you can imagine, so glad to hear you’re using that as a platform to tell the stories of your members and, and highlight them. So I’d like these, you know, taking these old terminologies freshen them up a little bit, maybe giving a more meaningful definition to them, to allow these investors to really get more bang for their buck to really build their business stronger, and to see their involvement with the chamber on a different level. So I think this has been a good exercise, and hopefully chambers listening or jotting down, you know, some of their own terminologies that they use, they might be able to freshen up a little bit.

Sharon Mayer 29:13
If you if you don’t look at things annually, whether it’s the name of coffee and connections to you know, whatever it might be and thinking, Okay, we’ve been doing that for two or three years that’s getting really old. Let’s put a little zing in it. It’s like our new member orientation, it was called a new member orientation. And we’re going to call it chamber 411. And guess what time of day, we’re going to have it for 11 at the end, and our battle fab after hours battle. People know people remember those times that are odd, you know, that are off kilter. And they remember for lemon and 505. So that’s what propose things to I mean, there is nothing too small or too big in your chamber that could not stand a little refurbish refresh at once. No. Well,

Brandon Burton 30:08
absolutely. So Sharon, I wanted to ask you if for those listening who would like to take their chamber up to the next level, what tip or action item might you share with them to accomplish that goal?

Sharon Mayer 30:24
accreditation through the US Chamber, we have gone through the process three times. And we moved from being an accredited chamber to a four star chamber. And then last year, we are awarded our five star chamber recognition. And every single time you go through this process, you have to take a really in depth look at your chamber and what you’re doing. And while a lot of chambers will involve a large group of members, in going through each of these different aspects, we do not and we did not. And we had one or two of our board people involved. And what we found out is volunteers unless you’re in a smaller chamber, or a really, really large chamber, and they understand the benefit of this will drop the ball every single time. So as much as I love them, God bless them, don’t count on them. And so they what it really has done for our chamber and our staff is it’s made us look internally, instead of externally. And, and the feedback that you get from the US Chamber on when we got our four star accreditation. The one little Hickey that we had was Governmental Affairs. And I had four years to fix that. And and what was that mission statement again, advocate, educate and build relationships. So we went to the top of the page. And now we have a very, very, very active business advocacy committee. So it’s, that’s that’s really and that’s important to me, especially in the state of Texas, because we’re kind of crazy here right now.

Brandon Burton 32:21
That is a good tip to go about the accreditation process.

Sharon Mayer 32:26
And you know what? I mean, it’s so gratifying because let me tell you what it did. I have been talking about getting my CCIE and God knows I’m putting this out there to public for 30 years. And after that five star came in, I went okay, that’s checked off my list. Now it’s time for the CC anything. So I am everybody listening

Brandon Burton 32:49
can help keep you accountable to that.

Sharon Mayer 32:54
Email me, Sharon and LM Fairview chamber.com. Wish me luck and ask me how it’s going. And I’ll be happy to share the good, the bad and the ugly.

Brandon Burton 33:02
That’s good. So I like asking everyone I have on the show about how do you see the future of chambers and their purpose going forward?

Sharon Mayer 33:10
You know, what really bothers me is when people say chambers are becoming obsolete, that the younger generation doesn’t know what a chamber is. I was in Austin yesterday. And I was at a legislative affairs thing. But I had a little bit of time. So I went to the mall. And I am walking into the mall next to this young man, and he’s very places how’s your day? Go nuts. Have fun. How’s your son? He said, Are you just out shopping? You’re on your way to work? And I said, No, I’m here for a legislative session. And he said, What do you do? And I said, I run a chamber of commerce. And he looked at me and he was like, I said, you don’t know what Chamber of Commerce is, do you? And he said, no, no. And I said, most people your age No. And most people who are a lot of them who are older than you don’t. And I said, but let me tell you what we do. We advocate educate you build relationships, and keep going back to that. And we are a business association that works on the local level within a town in a community to help businesses thrive. And to help them with so many business issues that are coming up right now. One of the things that and I’m gonna throw this in there you didn’t ask. I’m really proud of our legislative affairs stuff, but I am exceedingly excited about our diversity, equity and inclusion committee. And the fact that we are making such strives to get not only our work with our city and our school districts and to get the word out that this is what we’re doing. But we are working towards getting minority veteran Now, women on LGBT queue businesses certified so that they can actually do business with our local municipalities or county state and beyond that program, once we get that launched is really going to be what will be remembered in our community and within our membership as something that was done well and is extraordinary for them. So

Brandon Burton 35:30
that’s fantastic. So Sharon, before we go, I wanted to give you an opportunity to share any contact information for listeners who want to reach out and connect or keep you accountable and your CCE, you threw your email out there already, but what would be the best way to have someone reach out and connect with you?

Sharon Mayer 35:49
Well, the very best way to is to email me because I will probably answer it at two in the morning. So it’s sharon@allenfairviewchamber.com.

Brandon Burton 36:03
And I will get that in our show notes for this episode. So it can be nice and easy as someone’s listening before they go to bed and they want to send you a message that you can respond to at 2am. There you go. Oh, Sharon, I appreciate having you on the show today and setting aside some time to be with us and share the approach that you guys take there at the Allen Fairview chamber. I think that’s something that’s kind of been on the radar for a lot of chambers. But it just made me that reminder that they needed to keep things fresh, keep things with purpose, to give the best experience for their remember investors.

Sharon Mayer 36:38
I have told you all about our mission statement. I didn’t tell you what our vision is to be an indispensable resource to Allen, Fairview and Collin County businesses. And that’s what we’re continuing to work towards to be indispensable.

Brandon Burton 36:53
I love it. I love it. Well, thank you for for being with us today and sharing your example. I do appreciate it.

Sharon Mayer 37:01
It was my pleasure anytime.

Brandon Burton 37:05
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Addressing Challenges Facing Businesses with Rick Wilson

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Our guest for this episode is Rick Wilson. Rick is the President and CEO of the San Diego Regional East County Chamber of Commerce, and has been since 2019. Rick comes from a 16 year career working at the YMCA organization in a variety of different roles from facility manager to executive manager. He’s an active Rotarian, and is involved at different levels with several local organizations and board of directors. But Rick, I’m excited to have you with us today here on Chamber Chat Podcast, I’d love to give you a moment to say hello to all the Chamber Champions that are out there listening and share something interesting about yourself so you can get to know you a little better.

Rick Wilson 2:37
Well, thank you, Brandon. And it’s exciting to be on the show here. And hello, everybody out there. All those interested in what goes on at chambers of commerce. And again, my name is Rick Wilson. I’m the President CEO for the San Diego Regional East County Chamber of Commerce. I’m very excited to be on here today to chat a little bit about what’s going on with chambers of commerce, especially here in Southern California and hopefully, some great storytelling on will help you guys moving forward on some of the things you’re looking to do as well. But a little interesting about me. Born and raised here in Southern California, I went to school for a little bit in Australia for about a year as well as in Virginia, of when I was in high school and then went to college at UC Santa Barbara. And then was lucky enough to come back to San Diego to work for the then San Diego Chargers. And that was a great experience for seven seasons traveling on the road working in coaching and working in the business department. But since then, I’ve moved on was at the YMCA, As Brandon mentioned, and now landed over here at the East County Chamber of Commerce for about the past four years and really excited to continue to help our business community.

Brandon Burton 3:38
That’s right. And you you came into the chamber world at just the right time get about a year of experience under your belt before they really put you to work, right?

Rick Wilson 3:47
Yes, sir.

You know, got hired in May of 2019. And about March of 2020. We all experienced the same thing and stay at home orders and the 100 year pandemic and there was no playbook for anybody on what to do during 100 year pandemic, especially for Chambers of Commerce. So we definitely rolled up our sleeves and dove into it and just went after it. Absolutely. But tell us a little bit about the San Diego East County Chamber just give us an idea of you know where you’re coming from. So things like the size of the chamber staff budget scope of work you’re involved with. And that’ll kind of set our table for discussion. Great. So yeah, the San Diego Regional East County Chamber of Commerce was founded back in August of 1912. So we are now in our 100 and 11th year of operations here at the chamber. So that’s quite a few generations that have really looked at our chamber as the go to resource in that community, whether it’s business related or not. And we definitely really love that and appreciate that and want to keep that up our staff size. We’re fully staffed. We have five employees. And we have two longtime volunteers one for about four years and one for about 11 years now. And that’s really helped us out our budgets, just over half a million just

over 500,000. And we’re looking to continue to grow our membership is right around 600 members. And so we’re looking coming out of the pandemic continuing to grow that we had a great program and a great plan going in 2019. And then as I mentioned earlier, the pandemic hit and for everybody, it just kind of changed the way we did business, but really excited about what the future holds. And as a chamber of commerce, we want to be that resource in our community to help everyone out.

Brandon Burton 5:26
So I know it’s in the name. So the San Diego Regional East County team, what all the do encompasses geographically?

Rick Wilson 5:35
Now, that’s a great question. So well, first off, I’ll start off by saying that as a chamber of commerce, we don’t really see boundaries or barriers. We’re a global economy. So we’ve gotten members in other states here in the United States, Northern California, and then obviously a lot in Los Angeles in Southern California, but we are in San Diego Regional East County Chamber of Commerce. So if we had borders, we would say we go as far east as Borrego Springs as far south as Spring Valley as far north as Poway and as far west as La Mesa. But we do things all over San Diego County, we partner with tons of chambers of commerce here in San Diego. And the whole goal of that is to bring our businesses together, it has nothing to do with poaching, membership or anything like that. We kind of believe that, you know, the rising tide lifts all ships so we can work together as chambers of commerce, we can help the business community even more, and that’s really what we’re looking for. So as a Regional Chamber, we’re not just regionally for each county, but we are regional throughout San Diego County doing everything we can to help.

Brandon Burton 6:33
Okay, I know that that makes a lot of sense. So I appreciate the the extra explanation of the name, right?

Rick Wilson 6:40
Yes, it is a little bit of a sentence. Yeah.

Brandon Burton 6:43
So as we get into our discussion for our topic, today, we settled on the idea of talking about how chambers can really be a resource and a help for businesses who are facing struggles and some of those struggles that businesses face. So we’ll dive deeper into this discussion as soon as they get back from this quick break.

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Brandon Burton 9:37
All right, Rick, we’re back. So leading into the break there we introduce the topic for our discussion today being addressing challenges that are facing businesses and specifically how a chamber of commerce can help with addressing some of these challenges and and I think it’s kind of an inherent thing for Chambers of Commerce to be involved with being problem solving. versus their community. But as we approach this discussion, what what are some of those things that are maybe top of mind for you when it comes to a chamber of commerce helping businesses that are facing certain struggles?

Rick Wilson 10:13
Absolutely. Well, first off, thank you, Brandon, the Chamber of Commerce exists because of so many businesses that exist in our society, right? We are in a capitalistic society. So Chamber of Commerce has are here to really help businesses small, medium, and large size. And some of the challenges that we’ve been seeing over the past year and a half, two years coming out of the pandemic, obviously, is workforce, getting employees, I would say, the middle of 2021, coming out of the pandemic wooden restrictions kind of lifted up was definitely a challenge. Definitely, in Southern California, we saw, restaurants half empty, and they’re not serving the other half, because they can’t get enough employees, cooks, waiters, you name it. And so a lot of stores or retail, or manufacturing, or anything that we can think of have struggled with getting workforce. So as a chamber of commerce, we are definitely working with the Workforce Partnership in San Diego here, working with the Economic Development Council, working with government, local agencies, to make sure that we are doing what we can to help get that workforce back into our society back into working, that really is the machine that makes everything go. And so Workforce Partnership is incredibly important workforce development work with, like I mentioned, all those agencies, that’s been really big for us, and we’ve not arrived, we are still looking to do that, I would say we’ve gone from getting bodies in there to now really needing to look at incredibly qualified people getting back to where we were pre pandemic. So looking for those qualified applicants now and really getting them placed into our workforce out here in East County and throughout San Diego County. So that’s, that’s one of the big topics that we’ve seen.

Brandon Burton 11:49
Yeah, so the workforce issue, I think it’s taken on a whole different approach, a whole different issue, you know, coming out of the pandemic. So before, I think, you know, we’d see jobs shift from one region to another, or different states, navy, whatever political climates or incentives there are for employers to be in certain places, but the pandemic when everything shut down, and people kind of got creative in different ways to bring in an income, and especially those in the service industry, if they weren’t, you know, super high income earners to begin with. And maybe they’d created their own side gig or side hustle that became something. I mean, it just really created a different need and that time of their own employment, but then it leaves a huge void today, right? So as we look at trying to help with the workforce issues, is that something you guys are seeing there in the San Diego area? How, how are you trying to approach it to fill that void? I’m sure others are looking at a similar situation.

Rick Wilson 12:56
It’s a really good point, we have seen coming out of the pandemic, a lot of people who were employees of organizations, nations looking to kind of go on their own. And so we’ve had a lot of people come into the chamber of commerce, and we’ve worked with the Economic Development Council to help them start a business are starting to realize to during the pandemic, that a brick and mortar isn’t the be all end all that you know, it really expose the fact that those who were not comfortable with people working from home, for the pandemic, really were forced to see this results. And as many saw, you’re getting the same production, if not more, with some of those people working from home, which has really, you know, allowed. The word I’d like to use this pivot, we talked about that a lot during the pandemic is businesses looking outside the box re looking at their business model. You know, what if I use an example of one of our local companies here was heavy, a barbecue place, heavy seven days a week in their restaurant pandemic happen, they changed their business model pretty quickly. And they jumped all over the fact that all of our hospitals, and all of our health care, were starting to feed their people on a 24 hour basis, because remember, during the pandemic, and people working 12 hour shifts, 15 hour shifts. And that pivoting of that model for that restaurant, just as little restaurant completely blew them out of the water. They’re doing better than they’ve ever done. They’ve looked at their model. Now they rent out their facility three days a week for parties and events. It’s less staff that they need to put on the front end with not sharing what’s going to come in and able to load up their staff or catering their chefs. So pivoting was really one of the biggest things that we worked on during the pandemic to try to think outside the box to help businesses think of something different and individual employees who were unemployed during the pandemic, who maybe didn’t fall into the wonderful PPP program, working with them if they wanted to start a business on how we could get this going, especially during the pandemic and we’ve seen some really great results with that.

Brandon Burton 14:50
Yeah, so yeah, I guess that’s that’s a whole nother aspect of the the workforce issues all the money printing and all the money that got put into the system and I Um, stimulus checks and things like that that made work optional for people for a time. Or give them that flexibility to explore the opportunities to so yeah. What are what are some of the other challenges that you see businesses facing that a chamber of commerce can help with,

Rick Wilson 15:18
especially coming into 2023, two of the big things that we’ve been seeing is obviously, the supply chain, we all hear about this challenge that’s been happening. And then obviously, inflation. So with inflation, you know, businesses looking at their total package, what they’re offering, you know, most that we know how to increase pricing, depending on what service it is that they have, or what industry they’re in, as our chamber of commerce worked really hard coming out of the pandemic, and in 2022, really made some great strides. We were able to as a decision this year with our board of directors to not raise our pricing for our membership, do the fact that everyone is it totally makes sense to do it. You know, this is the time that you can argue and say, Yes, but if you’ve been able to do some really great things and make some really great decisions that have benefited you financially, as an organization, we’d like to turn that around, and give that back to our members by being able to say for 2023, with the inflation going up, and pricing going up and everything being like it is we’ve been able to hold our pricing at membership for 2023, which we’re incredibly proud of. And we’ve been getting incredible feedback on that, knowing that in 2024, we will have to look at an increase, but we just we’re talking at the end of 2022. What can we do for our members as they go through supply chain issues, inflation workforce challenges. So we’re really proud of that. And if you know, organizations are able to do that, whether through grants, whether through donations, whether it’s due just smart strategic and what you’re doing with your events as a chamber, you know, that’s a great way to give back to your members without actually taking it out of your pocket.

Brandon Burton 16:56
Right. So I think those are two key things that the chambers can can work on. And I think that we see a need across the country with both supply chain and inflation. And I commend you guys for being able to take a look at your budget and say we don’t need to raise price. And I’m sure your members appreciate that. As far as addressing the needs of the members, I mean that that’s one way of addressing that the inflation, but are you guys providing any feedback or data or anything as far as inflation goes? Or to be able to provide resources with supply chain issues? At what’s the approach on those two things you guys are taken?

Rick Wilson 17:37
Yeah, partnerships are very big for us at this Chamber of Commerce, we feel like we are able to reach more and do more by partnering. So when you’re talking about data, yes, we work with several groups here, not only in East County, but throughout San Diego County to keep our eyes on what’s going on with the economy. And so with related to inflation, what kind of data can we push out what kind of suggestions, so we’re not the be all end all as a chamber, the more partnerships we have, the more research verses we’re able to give to our members and non members just in the entire business community. So really, partnerships are what’s big. And so working with those groups, we can give those resources out. One of our big partners, and I think for most chambers is the Economic Development Council. They work on a lot of similar items that we do. So we try not to duplicate what we’re doing, we try to work together to make sure that together, we’re pushing out those resources to the community. So we’re very proud of that. And also continuing to work with other chambers really makes that partnership with other outside agencies much easier. Because we’re all trying to do the same thing. We’re all trying to help the business community. And it’s not a competition, it’s really about if, if the business committee is doing great tax dollars are rolling in coming back to your city in your county, it just makes a better place where we all work, live and play. And that’s what we’re really our goal is to go towards, right.

Brandon Burton 18:56
So the thing that comes to mind, you know, oftentimes, chambers are very involved with important work, you know, and oftentimes, they’re not seeking the credit, you know, the the partnerships, it doesn’t matter who gets the credit, necessarily, as long as the work gets done and information gets out there and everything. But at the same time, it’s important for people to understand what a Chamber of Commerce does, right. So there’s that definition of what a chamber does. So I’m curious as you guys work to address the needs, the the issues that are facing businesses, obviously, it’s best to have, you know, success stories, you know, individuals who are telling others that word of mouth spreads. But are there other ways that you guys are trying to educate the community about the work that you guys are involved with, and specifically with sharing some of these success stories of helping businesses overcome obstacles?

Rick Wilson 19:52
And that’s a great question. I think that’s probably one of the number one challenges most chambers have is pushing out the information and the resources on what they do. I think most people will think they know what a chamber of commerce, I probably have exactly one of those before I got the job. And then when you dive in, you realize that, yes, it is about the business community, but in that respect of the business community, how are you going about helping them. And in my opinion, there’s multiple branches on this tree of how you get to that success. So like, we talked about partnerships are partnering with government partner with leaders in your community, partner with big organizations that are looking to give back to the business community. So there’s multiple ways that you can do that, obviously, during the pandemic, we had program grant programs that came out in the county, the states and the cities that we all live in work in. And that was kind of a band aid to help, you know, get to a certain point. But it really wasn’t a solution. It was really about talking with other groups and making sure that we’re working to be successful, and not just saying, we as an organization know what is happening, we need to get a vibe of what’s going out throughout our county. And that is the best way to get those results and get those two people or organizations or businesses that we work with. Could you follow up again, with the second question? There’s another part to that question?

Brandon Burton 21:10
Yeah, that’s a good question. Mainly about just how you guys go about sharing the success that you guys create for businesses and beyond the word of mouth of businesses that have been impacted, telling others? How are you sharing the message of what a chamber does? And specifically with addressing the challenges that face businesses? And a great,

Rick Wilson 21:35
that’s a great question, and I appreciate you kind of falling back up with that. So for us, you know, when we look at, yes, social media, that’s where people live, right? So social media is incredibly important that we’re, we’re pushing out the word, a lot of people are using Twitter or Instagram to find out their information, we know a lot of our media, really still follow Twitter, that’s really kind of where they get their information. So we’re pushing out as much as we can on that we have a weekly newsletter that goes out to over 2500 businesses, but we only have 600 members. So we know the business community has their eye on what’s going on with us. And we want to help. And when people find themselves in an alignment with what we’re doing, then fantastic, they can join our chamber. But our goal is really to help the business community. And so looking at these opportunities, success stories. I mean, there’s lots of them, I think of stories that we constantly tell people and educate, reach out to the chamber when, when you have a question, we can probably help you. And a lot of it is businesses with permitting and cities in the areas that they’re in. Well, we’re working with all these cities. So we can call in sometimes it’s just as easy as the permit is ready. But someone didn’t press the button within that city organization, because they’re so busy themselves trying to get things done. And Souplantation was a huge organization here in San Diego that died in Southern California during the pandemic. And we have a business owner who’s bringing that back and working with the city to bring that back. And people are very excited about that. And I’ll just share one little simple story on that is, she also is running a different business in there until she can bring Souplantation back. So she didn’t want to take the big signs down there on a 30 foot pole, the ones on the buildings. And if you’re not running the business at the time, you need to do that. But there’s also a clause that you can also put a wonderful canvas over it. And so she went from oh my gosh, this is going to destroy my business to oh, I can just have put a canvas over it until we get Souplantation open again. So working with your chamber communicating with your chamber. That’s the biggest thing, the more we hear from our businesses, that voice of what’s going on, the more that we can push that towards government write letters to the state, work with local entities, you know, deregulation, you name it. But when we hear from our business, community, especially our members, that’s the biggest thing. So one of the big tips I would give to anyone listening out there is reach out to your chamber, your chamber is there to serve you. And I know that it’s very difficult, you’re running your own business, you don’t have a lot of time to be engaged. But I used I like to use the analogy of a gym membership, right, we all kind of have a New Year’s resolution, we get that gym membership, we put it in our front pocket, but we never go to the gym, not to say that you can achieve your goals. But it might be a little bit more difficult to achieve your goal. If you don’t go to the gym. Well, if you join the Chamber of Commerce, the chamber is going to do everything it can for you, it’s going to mark it for you, it’s going to reach out to you it’s gonna have touch points, it’s going to share resources. But if it’s not hearing from you, and it’s not engaging with you, it’s harder for that business to achieve its goals. So my suggestion always is try to be engaged, try to be involved in Do not hesitate reaching out to your chamber, they have more resources than you would think.

Brandon Burton 24:34
Yeah, that’s great advice for business owners. So maybe I will shift that it says a good tip for business owners. What tip or action item might you have for a chamber that’s listening that would be interested in taking their chamber up to the next level? So

Rick Wilson 24:51
they I love this question. This is one of my favorite answer is that chambers definitely in their areas is you know the the environment in the communities that they’re serving. He will be strategic on that. But for us, the bigger picture is we’re all inclusive. We care about everyone in the business community. So for us, it’s not about getting our membership to 1000 by next year. And what are we doing strategically to do that? If we’re pushing out that information, and really being all inclusive, when I say all inclusive means that you’re willing to partner with other chambers, you’re not we’re afraid about another chamber, oh, they’re talking to someone on the side and taking my member. That’s if that’s what’s happening, then that chamber is not really driving and doing what it’s supposed to what it’s supposed to be doing is collaborating, working and bringing all these resources to the business community. So the first thing I would suggest is, open your doors to all chambers, try to partner with mixers, any opportunity that you have. Look at that we have a meeting next week, we have our women in leadership luncheon that we’ve been running now for 21 years. And there’s a huge group here in San Diego called mana, which is Latino business women in that group has 400 Women in that association. Well, we want to see what opportunities there are for our very successful event that has over 600 people that attended every year, we want to partner with other groups to find out what might we be missing. So always be as a chamber be open to hearing other ideas, doesn’t mean that you’re going to move forward on every idea. But we’re that crazy chamber that believes if we throw 100 things on the wall, and one or two stick boy, we are going in the right direction. But if we don’t vet those opportunities, if we don’t look at that opportunity, then we’re going to kind of be the same chamber that we’ve always been. And we are a chamber that wants to be innovative. Were the first chamber of commerce in North America to have a personal assistant robot that Tammy robot that you’re starting to see in airports, restaurants and things like that. So we want to be leaders in our community, we want to be innovative, if and the only way to do that is to open our doors, and work with as many organizations, government agencies and chambers of commerce as we can so that we can all succeed. So in my vision, if the chambers in San Diego County, which is about 30, or 40. If they’re succeeding, then we’re all succeeding than the entire business community. So be open to working with other chambers of commerce. And there’s incredible ROI for that.

Brandon Burton 27:09
Awesome. So circle back, tell us about that personal assistant robot. Everybody’s all over AI these days, right? Yes. What can this robot do for you.

Rick Wilson 27:22
So interesting. Back in 2019, when I got the job, I met a gentleman who was a member of virtual reality for Main Street. So he kind of saw the technology, which is kind of already here. But he wanted to help chambers kind of grow with that. So we started a program called chamber innovators that did okay. But really, when the pandemic hit, chamber, innovators, all of a sudden became one of the number one programs in San Diego, we’re putting, excuse me, we’re putting it on virtually once a week. And we have people all over the nation with innovative business practices, innovation with technology. And so we had a lot of members throughout San Diego County that were members of other chambers jumping on this free program, and really started driving us in that technology innovation Avenue. Coming out of the pandemic, we had the opportunity to get one of these Tammy robots. And so if you walk into our office, the first thing is you’re greeted by the robot, it will welcome you. We bring it to all of our events. So it’s like anything else, you got a program and for whatever you wanted to do. But we had all our sponsors that are big EC honors event that we just had last week. And all the sponsors love that, that is robots talk, going around and talking about the sponsors. And, you know, it was definitely just a different way of looking at things. And as time goes on, we’re seeing airports restaurants using these not to replace employees, but to really use it as an additional tool to make the organization more efficient and better. And I’ll give an example. I was just at a restaurant three weeks ago, where when you walk up the person that greets you and says oh table for four great, they send the robot to take you to where which sends a message to the waiter that now your table for is ready and the robot sat you down. And the restaurant we weren’t at didn’t have the robot serving. But I have seen that. And so the personal robot assistant is really an assistant, it’s not a replacement of any employee that we have is to really build on what we’re doing and become more efficient in what we do. Plus technology’s kind of cool. So everybody does like it.

Brandon Burton 29:18
That’s right. Yeah, that reminds me, I was at a Chick fil A in in Texas, a small town in Texas. And we sit down and they had to have these robots that would bring the food to you. So they’re taken at the counter, put the tray on this robot and they would go right to your table. And it was pretty slick. I mean, everybody’s in there just watching the show, right? Technology is cool. But so does this robot. Does it collect any data, or is it just delivering data? How is it interacting?

Rick Wilson 29:50
Yeah, so so far, we have one of the first models that came out, t Mi, Tammy. And so there’s all kinds of new ones like I’ll just segue real quick into there. There’s ones that it’s, uh, the, the stamp, I guess you could call it is a refrigerator. So if you had one at home, you would still need to stock it. But you could call on your robot anytime to bring you a beverage or anything like that. And for us, it’s not collecting data, it’s you program it to do anything and everything that you want. I do believe that that is the future. And I’m sure some of the newer models that have come out do have that it’s an evolution. But the first model that we got out really has one little platform that we put some waters on, it greets our members when they come in or non members. It shows them a few things in our lobby or business cards, you know, materials of our members, sit them down in our conference room and let them know someone will be with them right away. Then it goes to each one of our offices until we say hello. Oh Rick’s not in hope someone else is not in this person’s in and lets them know that someone’s there. So it is helping us being more efficient. But right now, we’re not using it as a data collection. We’re putting information into it, depending on what day it is what event it is that we have going on. But mostly Monday through Friday. It’s a it’s a welcome robot that welcomes people when they come in. And what I wanted to have happen is happen, people who walk in, they walk out and word of mouth is Have you been to these County Chamber recently, they’ve got a robot in there. And so that’s kind of one of those spread of word where people just want to come in the postal workers now don’t just drop off the mail, they want to come in everyday because they want to be greeted by the robot.

Brandon Burton 31:26
That is great. Any any of these things that can draw that attention and positive positive comments? That’s great. So I like asking is another good segue I like asking everyone I have on the show, how do you see the future of chambers and their purpose going forward?

Rick Wilson 31:45
That’s a really great question. I’ll just say this, if chambers aren’t innovating and thinking outside the box, they could get left behind. If you’re doing it the way it was 1015 20 years ago, exactly the same, you might get left behind with all the innovation that’s coming out. So my suggestion is that what we’re doing is looking at all the tried and true practices that still do work, yet open to all kinds of opportunities to look at what the future has, as technology gets better. As as partnerships grow as bigger, or organizations are looking to partner with smaller organizations Chamber of Commerce are ripe for that. So continue to look for partnership opportunities, continue to try to partner with chambers of commerce, and be open to innovation and new ideas that really is what’s going to continue to take chambers to the next level. Because we are not going to be the same in our community, especially after the pandemic. So looking at business models, really looking at the way we do things, the way the business community operates, be flexible and right along with them to help them achieve their goals.

Brandon Burton 32:54
I like that. And I think look into the future. Some of those things that are on the horizon right now, obviously, is artificial intelligence. Already, a lot of buzz around that. But also look at things like blockchain and NF T’s and the business models that go along with that, because it’s going to change the way a lot of businesses operate. And if as a chamber, we need to know, you know, how do these things work?

Rick Wilson 33:20
Correct. And to your point, AI, as well as augmented reality is starting to become really big. If you went to our website, you’ll see, about two years ago, we had created a virtual Chamber of Commerce. So you could go to our chamber of commerce, virtually, you could go into different rooms, different lobby areas and get services and get stuff that would traditionally be on our website. And now we’re starting to see an augmented reality avatars that are walking around you create your own avatar, and building Chambers of Commerce is our businesses or, gosh, what do I even say like, imagine a conference but you’re you’re you’re you’re in downtown San Diego at the wonderful conference center, where you’re doing it 100% virtually don’t have to actually fly out and get a hotel, you can be a part of that. And we’re starting to see that becoming reality. During the pandemic, we did a couple job fairs like that, that were incredibly successful, where we weren’t sure how people would react to having a little avatar and go into different rooms and sitting down and having interviews virtually. And we didn’t know how it worked. But we had about 350 participants in that and it was incredible. And so I think it’s the more that you do the stuff in technology, artificial intelligence, augmented reality, you name it, the more comfortable you get into I am someone who’s not a techie. And so for me, it’s like I get the concept. I want to be innovative, but I’m not your leader. That’s gonna say this is how you do it. Here’s, here’s all the logistics. But I tell you surround yourself with people that do you know what’s going on that are leaders in that industry, and they can hold your hand and take you with them to because for us, we’re one of the chambers in San Diego they’re looked at as Wow, look at all this innovation but it’s Because of the partners that I have, is why we’re there. It’s not because of myself, I wouldn’t know the first thing about that stuff except saying that looks super cool on the screen. That’s

Brandon Burton 35:10
great. So Rick, I like to give you an opportunity to share any contact information for listeners who would like to reach out and learn more about how you guys are doing things at your chamber, and maybe addressing some of these challenges that businesses face, what would be the best way for someone to reach out and connect?

Rick Wilson 35:28
Yeah, so I’m pretty transparent on everything. I’ll give you my email address, which is rickw@eastcountychamber.org. Our website is eastcountychamber.org, you can contact us here at the office 619-440-6161. And I want to be here for any chamber, I’ve learned a lot from other chambers, people who have been CEOs for 2025 years and Chamber of Commerce’s throughout the United States. And I want to be that reference and resource as well. And I’m sure whoever contacts me, I’m going to learn from them as well. We continue to learn from each other continue to evolve and grow our chambers of commerce, they’ve come a long way from 100 years ago. And as businesses pivot, and as they look at new ways of doing things, looking at their business models, we as a chamber need to be flexible as well and coming right along with them, hearing their voice and sharing that with our local government.

Brandon Burton 36:21
Absolutely. And that’s why we do this. That’s why we encourage people to reach out and connect and build that network and learn from each other. So thank you, Rick, for joining us today on chamber tap podcast for sharing your experiences. And it’s been a fun conversation and something that hopefully in re energizes those that are listening to do that important work at their chamber, and especially when it comes to facing those difficult challenges that their business members are facing. So thanks a lot for for being with us today.

Rick Wilson 36:51
Well, thank you so much, Brandon, for the opportunity to be on chamber chat. What a great opportunity to share resources, but also let everyone know that we are here to help and we want to learn as well. So if you have something incredible and innovative that you’re doing, I would love to learn about that as well. But thank you so much, Brandon. Great to be on chamber chat.

Brandon Burton 37:08
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The Impact of State Chambers with Lew Ebert

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Lew Ebert 2:47
Wonderful. Thanks very much, Brandon, great to be with you and appreciate the opportunity. I love the title. By the way, I mean, chamber leaders are champions, and they’re leaders of an important movement, no matter where they’re working. In my case, as you indicated, over four decades, I’ve had a unique opportunity to kind of work in a number of different states. But more importantly, really been very fortunate to get to know a lot of great leaders and a lot of great mentors, and even in our profession, learn from some of the best in the business. So part of what I’m now doing in my second chapter, if you will, is kind of category you know, kind of collecting intellectual property and sharing best practices and ideas. But it’s a it’s a wonderful opportunity to help leaders make the kind of impact in their state and regions like I found in my career. So good to be with you.

Brandon Burton 3:40
I love it. We’re in the same business just maybe in different mediums, right. sharing best practices. Yeah,

Lew Ebert 3:47
absolutely. Yeah, we’ve lived at the intersection of business, politics and the economy for over four decades. So it’s been kind of an exciting journey. And I’ve obviously seen a lot done lot figured out what works and what doesn’t work, as you’ve indicated, and someone told me a long time ago, I think was Mark Twain suggested that the definition of a consultant is you know, we have to learn from other people’s mistakes, because we won’t live long enough to make them all ourselves.

Brandon Burton 4:13
That’s a great point. I love it. That should be a t shirt. Well, and tell us a little bit about the consulting work that you do just to maybe set the stage a little better. I think you shared your bio and everything. But what I didn’t share is you worked with over half the states in the United States as far as their state organizations go. So tell us a little bit more about that and the type of work you do.

Lew Ebert 4:38
Well, you know, as you indicated at the outset, I’ve had a chance to work in three different states, you know, red state, blue state, big state, small state. So kind of have unique perspective. I think it’s often said, I’m sure you’ve had guests on your podcast suggest if you’ve seen one State Chamber, you’ve seen one state chamber or chamber in general, but I think what I’ve been able to kind of connect is one of the things they all do when All. So regardless of size, regardless of geography, regardless of their economy, regardless of red state, blue state, purple state, whatever the demographic looks like politically, really helping them navigate, you know, kind of a path for success, and ultimately have an impact. I think the common thread is that most chamber leaders, including State Chambers, leaders kind of see their job as really doing three big things. They raise awareness to, you know, challenges as well as present problem, you know, solutions to those problems, they raise money to address those. And ultimately, they try and find a way to have impact, whether it’s job creation, economic growth, or moving their state forward from a competitive standpoint. And that’s mostly what I’m working with, as I’ve worked around the country with big state, small states, New States Chamber leaders, you know, there’s sort of not a common body of knowledge about how this business works. Because I think unlike a local chamber, state chambers have to sort of navigate all the different dynamics, with governors with legislative leadership, people of different parties, you know, kind of the unique regional business communities, even in the state where I am here in North Carolina, where I finished up my chamber career. You know, you got a wide disparity of regional challenges, you know, rural urban, in my case, you know, Raleigh, Charlotte. So, again, you’re sort of bringing together, you know, what are the what are the most impactful ideas that can move the state forward?

Brandon Burton 6:35
That’s right. And I think that actually sets the table very well for our discussion today as we focus our conversation around the the impact that state chambers are making across the United States. And we’ll dive in deeper on this conversation as soon as we get back from this quick break.

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Brandon Burton 9:38
All right, Lew, we’re back. So tell us I like the idea of you’re taking these best practices as you work with states across the country. You’re seeing some of these differences that you mentioned. You need to work with governors you need to talk to you know, work with people, different political backgrounds, different things, you know, businesses regionally and And yet, there seems to be some things that maybe float to the surface that are common amongst all the the State Chambers. What are some of those maybe keys for success or things that you’re seeing these chambers do effectively, to share some of these best practices, and then we can go the direction of impact that they’re making.

Lew Ebert 10:22
I tell you, Brandon, sort of the handbook for my career everywhere I’ve worked. And even when I meet with new leaders across the country, it’s an old book, but it’s still very timely. Jim Collins is the author of a book called Good to Great. And it’s sort of in my career, it’s been sort of a handbook on how to build high performing teams, and ultimately have an impact everywhere I’ve worked and even where I’m consulting with folks, and I kind of mentioned seven quick points. And we can come back and talk about any one of these that you want to. But I think the first line of the book talks about Good is the enemy of great. And I think, you know, most of us want to work somewhere. That’s great. I think it’s critical to know your why. So Jim Collins talks a lot about your hedgehog concept. What are you deeply passionate about, and something you do better than anyone else in your community in your state? I think the third thing is have a clarity of vision, you know, why are we here? What what’s our main purpose? You know, why do we exist? The fourth thing, I think, everywhere I’ve worked need to have a B hag, a big, hairy, audacious goal. And in many cases where I’ve worked, it’s how do we become the best state for business? How do we become more competitive? I think that hedgehog concept, the fifth point provides not only clarity of vision, but it also turns your flywheel. And Jim Collins talks about that in terms of how generates revenue. Because at the end of the day, you need to attract revenue to hire the talent to accomplish the mission. And that’s never changed over my career. I think the other thing that chambers sometimes are afraid to do, but I think it’s really important. The sixth point is the Stockdale principle. Admiral Stockdale was the highest ranking POWs in a Vietnamese POW camp. And he, he, he became very focused on, you know, kind of recognizing the sober assessment of their current reality. And he saw over his time in incarceration that the POWs and embrace their reality, and realize we’re gonna be here for a while, tended to be the ones that make it, the ones who didn’t, didn’t seem to make it out of the camp. And then the seventh thing I found in my career experience is, you’d have the right people on the bus and in the right seats. So it’s an old axiom that people are your best asset. And the only thing I would put kind of put a fine point on that Brandon is the right people in the right jobs are your best asset. So those are probably the things that I’ve kind of seen that has been kind of a kind of a Northstar for my career, you know, leading and running and working in State Chambers, both as a CEO and also working with leaders in our profession.

Brandon Burton 13:02
So I think some of these chambers get now I’m trying to figure out there why having that clear vision as you. And I think these two points are kind of related to the good being the enemy of great and having that big, hairy, audacious goal, right? So you can have these goals. And as you work towards them, sometimes you let good get in the way of great along that way. Do you mind touching on either one of those points, or maybe a combined just maybe some things that you’ve seen throughout your career that would point to those as examples?

Lew Ebert 13:34
Yeah, I think probably the best example, when I look at what some of the best state chambers in America are doing right now, the way they embrace both of those concepts, you know, Good is the enemy of great and driving and leading changes. They’ve sort of evolved from, you know, not just advocacy organizations, but they’re really becoming seen as agents of change. And there’s at least a dozen State Chambers in the country that have pretty impressive blueprints or visions for the future of their state over the next 10 to 15 years. And many have positioned themselves as the state’s futurist. So they’ve really sort of elevated their importance in estate. And when you think about it, you know, governors come and go, and in most states you can think of, but the constant is the State Chamber in the business community. So what many states have done is a sort of move from good to great to say not only do we want to focus on how to be great, but we have a plan to make our state great. And I think that’s where the profession has evolved. So it’s no longer about just you know, working with the legislature to defeat bad legislation, which is still important and beat up on the trollers in unions, but it’s really about how do you bring solutions to move your state forward and make a big impact on the most pressing issues in many states kind of holding them back? And that’s where I think states chambers at least have embraced not only their new role, but actually put a methodology in place. Ways to drive and lead and keep track and grow and keep change front top of mind, and also hold politicians accountable. So I think in a lot of states, it’s no longer, you know, what the state legislature wants to get done for business. In many cases, the State Chamber is sort of setting the tone for the kind of change that has to happen to make their state great and more competitive. Right. So

Brandon Burton 15:25
as we look at change, like you said, having these goals trying to make your state great, and your community great for those local chambers listening, you mentioned the Stockdale principle. So there’s got to be a fine line somewhere of Yeah, realizing and accepting your the sober assessment of your current reality, as you put it, or as Jim Collins puts it, versus having a healthy dissatisfaction for your current reality and wanting to improve it. Can Can you talk to that a little bit?

Lew Ebert 15:55
Yeah, you know, random, in my experience, most powerful tool is data. And there is just dozens, if not hundreds of data points and studies, that kind of, you know, surface some of the challenges. And, you know, everywhere I’ve worked, I’ve, you know, I’ve used member polling data to surface these challenges. I’ve used state to state competitiveness data to surface these challenges. So it’s never been my opinion of what needs to be addressed. But it’s like, here’s what business thinks needs to happen. Here’s what state competitiveness metrics show. So if we’re in a state, we’re in the sort of the bottom third of every major ranking known to mankind, you know, we’re not going to make our state great by not talking about that. So there has to be a way I think you’re making a great point. You know, we don’t want to be sort of the the chamber of bad news, right. But we do have to, you know, going back to what chamber leaders do, they create awareness. And in some cases, the awareness is, you know, we have some things we got to work on. But but right beside it is they’re also bringing solutions. So they’re not just sort of throwing a flag saying we’re bad. But here’s how we get better. And then bring the resources to the table to help make that happen, and ultimately have impact because you’re absolutely right. I mean, just drawing attention to, hey, we’re 38th in this ranking, whatever that is, you know, that’s a data point. But what are we going to do about it, and I think that’s where chamber leaders are now kind of leaning into, we have to get better if if we have a B hag to be a great place for business, or the best state for business, or go from good to great, you know, you can’t, you can’t get from good to great, by only getting better at what you’re good at. Right? You have to eventually get better at what you need to work on. And I think state chambers have a role in sort of surfacing both, you know, here’s what we’re good at. But here’s some things we have to work on.

Brandon Burton 17:51
Yeah, I like that approach. Because I can see some, some chambers, maybe in certain circumstances where they say, our governor just is not business friendly. And there’s nothing we can do about that until the next election, and almost use that as an excuse of your, their current the sober assessment of their current circumstance. But I like the idea of still having those goals, still trying to press forward, still trying to make that case. So even when that next election does come around for the next governor, or whatever that elected position may be, to be able to say, here’s some things that are important to the business community in our state.

Lew Ebert 18:31
And I think, Brandon, you’re making a great point. I think, business wants to see these things, politicians when I see these things, but what can we be for? And I think chambers have a responsibility to be for things, not just against things, and being forward thinking and proactive and future focused. You know, there’s a lot of things chambers are for. But there’s also things along the way that we have to be against, because they kind of moved the state in the wrong direction. But I think at the end of the day, most business leaders and CEOs want to see an organization that’s stepping forward indicating what we’re for.

Brandon Burton 19:05
Yeah, I like that. It keeps a positive approach on it, for sure. Absolutely. So as you look at these states that you’ve worked with, we’re talking today about the big impact that you’re seeing State Chambers make in their communities. And I mentioned before we started the recording, I recently had Glenn Hamer on the podcast from Texas. So he talked about some of the things that they’re doing in Texas. But maybe as you as you talk about the impact these state chambers are having maybe through the lens, how local chamber can get more involved with their state chamber as well and supporting that work.

Lew Ebert 19:44
That’s a great point, Brandon, and again, over my career when I first started doing this my first job out of college, you know, four decades ago, which seems like forever, you know, local chambers and state chambers were really seen as competing for membership competing for mindshare. and had a very similar role. I think in most states in America now, it’s pretty clear that they’re both different organizations, but they complement each other. So in many states, State Chambers of Commerce have, you know, put together kind of a chamber Federation, where they have local chambers sort of working hand in hand with the State Chamber, on the most pressing issues affecting the economy. Because I think at the end of the day, if I was running a local chamber, anywhere in America, I don’t want to be working with the statewide chamber, because the kinds of issues that are happening in state capitals affects my members in my community. But there’s no local chamber anywhere in America, that has enough political clout, and even enough votes to move the needle on anything at the Capitol. So being part of a statewide Federation, if you will, of local chambers rolled up under a State Chamber banner working on the big issues, because when when you affect change in any state and improve your competitive position, you know that that helps every community in the state. But I think where local chambers have become more aware, I think is, you know, lobbying, advocacy, political action, getting big things done at the capitol is kind of what State Chambers do. And local chambers play an important role. And plenty of things they do locally, moving their community forward. And even you know, as as the world has evolved, they’re picking up a lot more community based groups that they’re being, you know, leading the kind of non government groups and being forced to do more than they used to be able to do. So I think recognizing that there’s a statewide advocacy organization that can be part of and on that team is a compliment rather than a competition.

Brandon Burton 21:44
Right. So throughout your career throughout maybe the history of State Chambers, local chambers, and it’s a long history looking back, but do you feel like there’s been a shift, and maybe the the mission and purpose had mentioned before, they were kind of seen as being competition to, to local chambers.

Lew Ebert 22:03
I think at the end of the day, many of them have the same last name. But I think the roles we play are different. And I think that’s just evolved, given the nature of how things are happening. And what I like about how the evolution has happened is partially it’s happened, Brandon, because where the action is, now, it’s no longer in Washington, DC. So when I first started doing this 40 years ago, the sea was sort of the epicenter of all things that affected business. And now I think what you’re finding is with the level of acrimony, and somewhat dysfunction, the action is now in the States. And I think some of the states that that you will have on this program have sort of figured out how they can crack the code at their state capitol, and really improve their business climate in such a way where they can become a lot more attractive for job creations and economic activity. So that that’s probably where local chambers and state chambers have figured out, hey, wait a minute. If we work together, we create economic opportunity for our state. And at the end of the day, that’s what all of our members fill in the blank state want to have happen, we want to have a big impact for our state, create jobs and more economic opportunity. So and in many ways to Brandon, the, the major members they all have in common, are really kind of very intent on making sure that focus happen. So I think the customer is also driving the need to work together to make the kind of big impact of the state level that’s needed. Right.

Brandon Burton 23:30
So maybe this may be a step back a little bit in our discussion, but going back to one of those points that Jim Collins made, so the hedgehog concept and the revenue for maybe a local chamber who maybe you know, I’m sure they see their State Chambers a good ally, but maybe they still do see that certain level of competition because they take some of the same big members from their community. Can you talk a little bit to how some of these State Chambers go about their their budget, their financing to maybe clear some some money? Why would they local chambers that might be confused on it?

Lew Ebert 24:07
Yeah, you know, I think at the end of the day, a typical local chamber, probably 80% of their members have less than 10 employees. And for a State Chamber, it’s just the opposite. So I think the big trend over time, State Chambers in most states only have about one to 2% of all the companies in his state are members of the State Chamber. But I think what’s happened over time, Brandon is across the board, most state chambers have seen a decline in the number of members, and a pretty significant increase in the revenue per member. And I think that just recognizes how they’ve grown their business model. And also, you know, the mission they have in terms of their hedgehog concept. You know, not a lot of businesses 99% In some cases, don’t really embrace the mission and vision of why a State Chamber is needed. So it’s kind of been necessary to say okay, well If we need more believers in the cause of advancing economic growth in our state, and a lot of states have been very attractive, very successful and attracting Cornerstone investors from major companies, as I suggested earlier, they’ve eliminated the competition of, in many cases, attracting small businesses. And they’ve effect effectively said the local chambers. You know, anybody under 10 employees, for example, is automatically a member of the State Chamber. So they’ve created a grassroots network to effect change. But they’ve also sort of gotten out of the business of saying, we’re not going to hire a bunch of salespeople to come into your town to recruit small business members. But because at the end of the day, we’re still back to what what State Chambers do well is making impact on the big issues that affect business in their state. And it’s just not cost effective to use a lot of those resources to go find money, it’s more effective to aggregate the resources to make a big impact on the big issues that affect businesses in the state. And that’s where most of the chambers are spending their time and resources.

Brandon Burton 26:05
Yeah, and I know every chamber, I’ve seen one chamber seen one chamber, but a lot of chambers have very similar missions and purposes behind the work they do and, and it should align very well with their state chamber. So I hope that those local chambers may see a conflict of interest with the State Chamber. I hope that’s fewer and fewer. Today, I know what it was in the past and building a stronger relationship, because oftentimes is the state chambers that are putting on a state or regional conference, you know, to share some of those best practices and help support the local chambers.

Lew Ebert 26:40
Absolutely. And again, I think you pick the right issues. I think a lot of State Chambers, local chambers have a lot in common when you start talking about how we can make our state more competitive and attractive to business, how we can address workforce and education and talent issues. How can invest more in infrastructure? Those are at least three issues where I would guess most local chambers in America and most state chambers in America would say that that’s kind of a sweet spot. No disagreement here, let’s figure out how to do it. But I think most of the chambers would say quickly, we can’t do it by ourselves. And most local chambers would probably also admit we can’t do it from our community. But collectively, we can make the kind of impact that’s needed. That’s right.

Brandon Burton 27:22
That’s a great way of summarizing that. So Lou, I like asking everybody I have on the show about maybe it for a tip or an action item for listeners who want to take their chamber most been local, or maybe regional chambers, but I’m taking them up to the next level. What What tip or action item might you suggest for

Lew Ebert 27:43
them? You know, I would suggest if they haven’t read, good degrade, you know, go get the book. It’s not a new book, but I think it’s sort of a handbook on how they can develop their organization and, you know, accelerate and create more opportunity and have more impact. And then the other thing I would suggest, and I know many of them do, I’d invest in knowledge acquisition benchmarking. So I’d really, as I’ve done over my career, you know, what are the best organizations in America look like? And how can I learn from them. So it’s, you know, get your CCE certified chamber executive credential, you know, become a cAe, if you want to certified Association Executive, many of them go to institute and get your IOM certification, some participate in a SAE, or ACC. Those are all great organizations to really put leaders of any level and I found even late in my career. There’s always great new ideas, great new learnings, and the profession keeps evolving. So I think have a great sense of awareness, it’s important to know what you don’t know, as well as to know what you know. And I think that people that are sort of open to understand like, Hey, I just don’t know how to do this. But let me go figure out how to do that. And who can I learn from, I think is a great skill that continue to evolve.

Brandon Burton 28:59
Yeah, I like those tips. I always like when you get a bonus tip like that, too, you know, not just one. So there you go. So the other question I like asking everyone I have on the show is as we look to the future of chambers of commerce, how do you see the future of chambers and their purpose going

Lew Ebert 29:15
forward? I think we’re just sort of hitting stride in terms of the importance and the role they play. And I think a lot of it is not just, you know, our politics in DC, but I think politics in general, you know, we live in a more divided time than probably ever before in our history. And I think the common denominator chambers of all varieties bring to the table is their kind of the common sense, middle. They represent a business community, they represent leaders that want to figure out and kind of come up with solutions. You know, they’re not partisan. Usually. They’re not philosophical. There’s sort of the pragmatic, common sense middle. And I think that role, you know, you know, probably 20 years ago was probably not as important as it is today. But there has to be a way and a place where business politics and the economy can kind of intersect. And right now more than ever, it’s the Chamber of Commerce.

Brandon Burton 30:09
Right? I like that. And I would agree with that, too, is that the future chamber? We are hitting that stride right now as far as importance and relevance and keep leaning into it. Then Lou, I’d like to ask if there’s, for those listeners who want to maybe reach out and connect with you learn more about the work you’re involved with? What would be the best way for them to reach out and connect with you?

Lew Ebert 30:33
Yeah, my email is EbertLew@gmail.com. Or you can call me on my cell phone. And if I’m awake, it’s on 919-614-2810.

Brandon Burton 30:46
All right, and we will get that in our show notes for this episode, as well. So anybody shows up and get that that contact information. Great. I really appreciate you spending time with us today on chamber chat podcast, you bring a great perspective, from the experience you’ve had working with a number of a wide number of chamber of State State Chambers across this great country. So thank you for sharing that, that insight, some of these lessons that you’ve learned, and I think we’re all better for it. So thank you.

Lew Ebert 31:14
All my best all your viewers. Thank you.

Brandon Burton 31:16
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Impact of Community Teamwork with Kyle Spurgeon

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Our guest for this episode is Kyle Spurgeon. Kyle is President and CEO of the Jackson chamber in Jackson, Tennessee. Before joining the chamber, Kyle was vice president Corporate Relations for Jackson Energy Authority. He has also served as marketing director for the Tennessee Department of Economic and Community Development. He’s helped facilitate project locations representing more than $2.5 billion in capital investment. He holds a BS and public relations marketing from Murray State University. He is past president of the Tennessee Economic Development Council, past president of the Tennessee Chamber of Commerce executives, past board member of the south of the Southern Economic Development Council, and past president of the Tennessee economic partnership is also a board member of several other local community organizations. Kyle is a 2017 graduate of leadership Tennessee. He was recently named the 2019, Tennessee Chamber of Commerce Executive of the Year. Powell is married to Melissa together they have five children and one very happily spoiled dog. Enjoy running and traveling the tile. I’m happy to have you with us today here on Super Chat podcast. I’d love for you to take a moment to say hello to all the chamber champions that are out there listening and share something interesting about yourself so you can get to know you a little better.

Kyle Spurgeon 3:18
I didn’t realize you’re gonna read that entire bio,

Brandon Burton 3:21
we got to get the good stuff, you know.

Kyle Spurgeon 3:25
Melissa and the dog go smiled when you get to the very end. So Leila was wagging her tail? Good. Yes, something interesting. I guess it’s not in that and maybe the reason I enjoy doing these kind of podcast is in high school and college. I was at a radio disc jockey records, and I was a sportscaster and read the news. And so that, you know, as we started getting into the podcast area, that something that just not I’m not gonna say was natural, but it’s something I really enjoyed. So I look back on my days working in radio in Paris, Tennessee, that’s probably where this comes from.

Brandon Burton 3:59
Yeah, that sounds great. It’s your you’ve kind of got that natural comfort with that, I would say so. Well, I hope so. Yeah. So before we just jump into our topic, I’d like you to get some more background on the Jackson chamber. Just give us an idea of size, your chamber staff scope of work, budget, things you’re involved with, just to kind of set the table for our discussion. Yeah, so our

Kyle Spurgeon 4:23
chamber we have are running at 1050 members and budget of 1.6 $1.7 million, a team of seven and that word team is all capitalized because we all work together extremely well. And I look at our chamber and over, particularly the last four decades, we’ve been recognized as a chamber that’s very, very effective at recruiting new jobs in industry, to Jackson in West Tennessee. What has changed really over the last decade is we’ve maintained that standing and that influence in the community and that’s the SAS but were looked upon more, for addition to that term, our leadership programs our assistance to small business, in really since the announcement of Blue Oval city working with our city and county and others, in making sure we lead community development efforts with them, either we lead those were on the team, because that’s becoming an extremely big part of what we do. Our chamber was founded in 1905, we’re accredited by the US Chamber, we’ve got a four star designation now we’re going to be pursuing that five star designation, I think, later this year, or in 24. And as you know, when you’re accredited, by the US Chamber you one of the top 3% of chambers in the country. And that’s something we are extremely proud of. I’ll conclude this by saying just about a decade ago, our chairman at the time, told him he was talking to a group of people about the chamber and he said, one of the things I’m most proud of, is this organization has a seat at every major discussion that goes on in our community. That’s something that we don’t take for granted.

Brandon Burton 6:08
Right. And I think that’s going to lead in well to our topic for our discussion today as we focus on the impact of community teamwork. So having a seat at all those major discussions, being you know, right there, the driver of economic development and community development. I think we’ll have a fantastic discussion around that today. As soon as I get back from this quick break.

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Brandon Burton 9:34
All right, Kyle, we’re back. So as I mentioned before the break we’re focusing on the impact of community teamwork. So when you were talking about the chamber you brought up blue oval city. I’m familiar with it. I’ve heard you heard some great things about this set this huge economic development win. But if you would just fill the listeners in on what what is blue oval city and they maybe a little bit of background about how that came to be. And I think that’ll lead well into our discussion today.

Kyle Spurgeon 10:06
Sure. So blue oval City is a 17 year overnight success story as it took a while. And I’ll give you some background on that in a second. But it’s a $5.6 billion investment of Ford and SK Innovation to build the world’s most advanced assembly automotive assembly plant in battery plant. 3500 acres between Memphis and Jackson. So we sit right on Interstate 40. We are an hour from a Shelby County and two hours from Davidson County, which is which is Nashville. So Jackson is ideally situated. That project started back in the early 2000s. When Governor Phil Bredesen and the commissioner of economic and community development, Matt kispert, worked with the Tennessee Valley Authority and identified a site that would be great, what they would call a mega site because TVA had started that program. Two years earlier, local folks in Haywood County, the chamber, President CEO at the time, Paul tour was part of that effort. And those were the early people. You know, in our business, a lot of times when you make the announcement, the folks who were there at that time get all the credit. Well, if it wasn’t for the folks early that identified that property and caused it to be purchased project would have never happened. And what is happening now a blue oval cities under construction, Ford plans to be rolling their new electric vehicle off the assembly line and 25, which is crazy to think about it. That’s two years from now. And you’ll start seeing supplier announcements this year, the project announced again 5800 jobs $55.6 billion in capital investment. That’s really just the beginning. We’re starting to see those supplier locations, the tier one and tier two folks looking at Jackson and other parts of West Tennessee plus the projects that will need to be situated on site. But every piece of that project happened because of teamwork. Mark Herbison is President and CEO of HTL advantage. So that’s Haywood, Tipton Lauderdale counties. Haywood County is actually where the Megasite is it spans Haywood County and Fayette County, Mark led that effort. I tell folks, he has created more jobs, personally per capita for a staff than anyone probably in the world and economic development because he he led that project with two people. Our team, it’s a Jackson chamber in the Memphis chamber, were part of the negotiation process and helping to close the deal. But Mark was the guy day to day. And so when you take what Mark did what we were able to do with the Memphis and Jackson chamber and TVA in the state, in no one caring who got credit, you know, we were able to close that deal. And it turned out to be, you know, obviously one of the largest economic development projects in Tennessee’s history and one of the largest in the country.

Brandon Burton 13:14
That is fantastic. So as you’re, as you’re talking about this, the development of the site just yesterday. So I’m in Texas, but yesterday, I actually drove past the news Tesla facility that’s being rolled right now. So in my mind, I kind of I can kind of picture what this is looking like just a massive space, massive building, the technology that goes into it, and as you mentioned that the discussions of this started in the early 2000s. So almost 25 years from when the first cars will roll off the assembly line. But the evolution that’s happened in that amount of time, from having the focus on batteries now versus just what cars were in the 2000s. If you see an early model in 2000, f150 versus what’s going to roll off and 2025 They’ll be vastly different for sure. Being able to keep up with that, that evolution, that involvement. But let’s let’s focus more on this the community teamwork effort. So you’d mentioned that the teamwork part from an economic development standpoint, working with different counties, different cities, be able to pull together as a team. What are what are some other examples how things have have worked together as maybe you guys have been the convener of some of these, you know, throughout the community to drive some of these wins throughout the Jackson area. You

Kyle Spurgeon 14:43
use that great chamber award convener, and you know, we all successful chambers do that extremely well. The reason and focus it on the economic development piece first. The reason this community has been successful for 40 years doing economic development and recruiting Companies like Delta Faucet, Toyota, Stanley, Black and Decker. Kellogg’s is here, all the Pringles in North America are made in Jackson, we’ve always had that stance, no matter who was in an elected position as one of the mayors, or who ran Jackson Energy Authority, which was our utility, who read who ran the hospital here, we never care about who gets credit. And whoever is Mayor allows the chamber to be the quarterback for all economic development activities. And we everything we do is built around that team concept. But we also don’t have to pick up the phone and call a mayor’s office or a chairman’s office to, you know, direct every single move that we make, because we’ve got enough brand equity in the success that we’ve had. And that’s something we we protect, you know, if you’ve ever were to see a member of our team try to step out and make it all about themselves, instead of the community, that team member is going to get called back and pulled back and probably not gonna be on the team anymore. And so again, I think we’ve used that success model. And as we’ve had to expand our reach, I guess, and the different projects we’re working on and in different communities, we just make sure again, that it’s just all about pain.

Brandon Burton 16:21
Yeah, I like that. And I see the importance of that, I wonder if there maybe is some tactics or ways that you go about whether it’s dealing with your team internally there at the chamber or broader throughout the community to help build a sense of team. And and you’ve touched on a little bit there. But what what some of that mindset and maybe tactics around building that team mentality.

Kyle Spurgeon 16:45
Yeah, one of the ways is making sure particularly your elected officials are not surprised, in that they give us a lot of leeway to work on projects, again, because not just the team we’ve got in place now. But we’ve always been successful doing that. So just Just imagine if you had a mayor in office, and all of a sudden you’re about to announce a project and he knew nothing about it, that’d be a surprise. But for us to be able to do that our elected officials and everyone on the team has to understand the confidentially the confidentiality involved in those projects. Excuse me. And so by bringing them in early, and us respecting the fact that they understand that confidentiality allows us to do that. And then when we have a new chairman, coming into the role within our organization, again, bringing them in early, helping them understand how projects occur, because if you’re not an economic developer or been involved in projects, you probably have some misconceived notions about it. And so it’s education and making sure people don’t get surprised. So

Brandon Burton 17:55
I’m curious, as far as not having these elected officials be surprised. Is that something that you had to learn through experience? Or like, ooh, we should have plugged them in a little more along the way? Or is it just something that it kind of made sense to you from the beginning? So you just a good practice to follow all along?

Kyle Spurgeon 18:13
Yeah. When you said, Did I learn that from experience in a roundabout way? Yes. You mentioned I worked at Jackson Energy Authority. And I remember firing someone without our CEO knowing it. And John made it very clear to me that his name was John Williams at the time, that he needed to know that because he went to church with the guy’s mother, that we had just fired. And so you learn real quick, and he came back the next day sick out, you and your team did the right thing. God needed to go. But I can’t be surprised. So I’ve always taken that with me in terms of you know, when you announce a project, or you’re doing some community initiative, and it’s successful, you will get your elected officials and your investors up there announcing that project? Again, you don’t want them hearing about it a day before or a week before without having any Yeah,

Brandon Burton 19:13
or worse as things are even more developed or the read in the paper social media. Yeah, so yeah, I think it’s neat how some of those lessons kind of stick with you and with whether it’s something professionally or personal lesson that carries over, and it’s something that is important to you, that brings a lot of value to others that are listening to and you can provide that experiences. So I appreciate you being willing to share that. I know it’s not always easy to to share from past experiences like that, but

Kyle Spurgeon 19:43
it’s that thing about everyone makes mistakes. And as long as you learn from that mistake, not gonna say it’s not bad, but it’s a heck of a lot better if you learn from it.

Brandon Burton 19:53
That’s right, and learn from the first time hopefully. So I Want to know if there’s maybe tips or action items for those listening who maybe want to build a better community or teamwork effort throughout their their community and take their chamber up to the next level? What might you suggest for them to try to implement and to sharpen that focus,

Kyle Spurgeon 20:20
like an easy thing to do is sit back. First of all, you have to have a strategic plan. And any organization is trying to build a to build their brand and build on success or initiate some success, you have to have a strategic plan. And then once you get that, identify a group of people that you know, like and trust that you can work with, and then slowly help them find their way onto your board or your executive committee. And then look at that group as your core team folks that you can pick up the phone and call and know that they’re all pointing in the right direction. And can you know, they can alert you so that you’re not surprised? on things that might be going on in the community, either business wise, or political wise, but I think it’s that first step, you know, every chamber CEO, if they’re moving, taking a job somewhere else, my belief is, the first thing you need to do is look at that strategic plan. If the community doesn’t have one, make sure that’s one of your first action items. Because if you don’t do that, then everyone’s going off in different directions. You’ve got to have a North Star, something everyone can focus on. And so you can build that team effort that way.

Brandon Burton 21:36
Right? Well, I’m glad you went that direction. With that with those, we’ve seen a lot of change in the chamber industry right now with leadership and everything. So for those who are new to community, I think that’s key advice and make sure that there is a strategic plan. And if not, do focus on getting one ASAP. But you had mentioned finding those people in your community that you can know, like and trust. So when you’re new to a community, any tips on how to find those people, because there’s certain people that want to be found, right? For good, for better or worse, they want to be able to filter out Who are those ones that you should know, like and trust?

Kyle Spurgeon 22:12
Well, I’ve been lucky, I haven’t had to go through a search process in 13 years, but just think about it. So if I’m in Jax, and if I was moving somewhere out west, or wherever it was going to interview with the search committee, you’re not going to take the job unless you have confidence in the organization in that search committee. So that’s probably the best place to start. Those are the people that because they’ve accepted that position on the search committee are obviously vested in the community, and the folks in the community or organization, trust them to make the right decision, identify one or two members of that, or the entire committee, and just tell them that who are the folks that I need to understand can best influence our success moving forward.

Brandon Burton 23:01
I love that piece of advice. So yeah, I have that that deeper conversation with that search committee once you get that job and seek their their counsel. And I’m sure it’ll be valuable. I’d like to ask everyone I have on the show, as we look to the future of chambers of commerce, how do you see the future changers and their purpose going forward?

Kyle Spurgeon 23:24
But maybe your toughest question that you

Brandon Burton 23:27
bring out your crystal ball and see what it looks like I

Kyle Spurgeon 23:31
think we’ve seen it in I can only speak to our organization, something that has changed, you know, early, particularly I say early, three to four decades ago, and we’re all the way up into the 2000s, early 2000s. We could have encouraged someone to join the chamber, just because we were successful, creating new jobs and capital investment, they just want to be a part of that. Now, they’ve got to experience something. And so Chambers of Commerce, the our events, you know, our social media presence, it’s networking, and it’s an experiential type, membership. And people will no longer write you a check just because the chamber is great in your community, your your membership sales team has to build relationships with them. You have to support your existing industries, you have to run leadership programs. So you really have to be in tune with the folks in your communities and the business leaders. So I think moving forward chambers, just like you know, something that you look at, it’s a negative look around the country at the civic organizations and how their membership has declined. Well, it’s those civic clubs that have changed a bit who have been able to stabilize their membership and in any chamber organization. If you look at the average age of the men First, they may be skewing upward. Well, you’ve got to make sure you’re running young leaders programs, under 40 type programs, because those are the folks that are going to sustain your organization moving forward.

Brandon Burton 25:14
I like that I think I just had my own little aha moment because he gave that response. And so when you when you mentioned that, you know, today, people have that need to experience something. And it makes me think of just the connectivity that we have the the instant gratification, the, especially as you look at the younger generations coming up right now, if they can’t get Amazon to deliver whatever it is, you know, next day, or today would be even better, then it’s not good enough, right. So to experience something, you can’t just talk about doing something you can’t just, you know, have a good organization, they need to experience something they need to kind of need that dopamine hit right to be able to want to come back and have more. And if you’re able to provide some small wins along the way where they can see, okay, I’m seeing the value here, okay, I’m seeing where this is helping the community, I see how this impacts my business, leading up to those big wins is big economic development, contracts, things like that. I think it’s important for every chamber to be thinking about those small, small wins along the way to give that feedback loop of the what you’re doing is important, and they feel involved. So

Kyle Spurgeon 26:31
you know, one thing to do is make sure not only celebrate the successes that your chamber has in the community, but just think about ribbon cuttings, those in another, you’re celebrating the success of a small business or big business. So being a part of the success without taking credit for it of other organizations to where you attach your brand, to their brand. Because everyone loves attention. And if you’re a small business, we’re doing a ribbon cutting for you. They love seeing their faces and their names on our social media feeds, on the traditional media, news stories, and so attaching yourself and supporting other folks success without taking credit for it. And that’s a big help.

Brandon Burton 27:16
Yeah, absolutely. So I’ve heard some chambers getting away from ribbon cutting somewhat, but I think there’s still a great value there with giving that that positive feedback loop so well, Kyle, I wanted to give you an opportunity to share any contact information for those who are listening that want to reach out and learn more about how you guys are doing things there in Jackson, or learn more about Blue Oval city and how they can, you know, bring somebody else to their community because they’re not going to get forward right. What would be what would be the best way for them to to reach out and connect with you?

Kyle Spurgeon 27:56
Yeah, my favorite way actually is through LinkedIn. Really, all social media is not great all the time. But our team finds LinkedIn to be a fantastic source to connect and share information. Other than that, my email address love to give that out. It’s kspurgeon@jacksontn.com. And you know what our business you learn from other folks, we’ve, in the last several years, we’ve been to Wichita, Kansas, Greenville, South Carolina and Monroe, Louisiana, Franklin, Tennessee a few years ago, just learning what those communities were doing in their chamber and economic development teams. And yeah, we’re stealing ideas and bringing those back, we just are going to hopefully be able to announce a $34 million training center that our governor has put in his budget. The idea from that training center, pain from a visit to Wichita, Kansas.

Brandon Burton 28:56
That’s awesome. Yeah, those leadership visits as you know, inner city visits are, they’re very valuable. So by learning from each other, you know, those listening, reach out, talk to Kyle, you know, learn learn from him, and, and even take it to the next step and schedule a visit to another city and see how things are being done there. So that’s a whole other topic we can dive into right. Yeah. But Kyle, I appreciate you spending some time with us today, here on chamber chat podcast, I think you’ve provided some great value for those listening to really maybe just take another look at how they are building a sense of teamwork throughout their community to lead to some of these big wins. So I appreciate you sharing your experience and what’s going on there and Jackson, thank you.

Kyle Spurgeon 29:43
Thank you Brandon. Great questions and appreciate having the opportunity to be a part of it.

Brandon Burton 29:48
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From Membership Organization to Community Economic Driver with Mark Field

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Our guest for this episode is Mark field mark is the Senior Vice President and membership at the Knoxville chamber and has been since 2004. Mark oversees investor development and relations events and programming, Marketing and Communications. He previously was the vice president development for the initial group and East Tennessee provider owned Managed Health Care Network. He has over 35 years of experience in sales and marketing. And he’s been very involved with several boards throughout the community as he’s an active member of his community. He is a 2011 graduate of leadership Knoxville he graduated southeast Institute in 2009, past chair of the US Chamber southeast Institute Board of Regents member of the Board of Trustees for the US Chamber Institute. And Mark is married to Vicki he has two step children and seven grandchildren. But Mark I’m excited to have you with us today on chamber chat podcast, I’d love to give you an opportunity to say hello to all the chamber champions that are out there listening and share something interesting about yourself so they can get to know you a little better.

Mark Field 3:09
Yeah, hello everyone. It’s great to be on the podcast. Brandon, thank you so much for the opportunity and I hope everyone’s having a great day. Something entered interesting about me so a lot of people might not know that for about seven years. I was on the competition barbecue circuit. And so I still love to cook barbecue obviously, because of that it got a little bit more time consuming than I had originally anticipated and a little bit more cost prohibitive than I’ve anticipated as as barbecue became more popular and but anyway that’s that’s something that I used to do a little bit of and still like to cook so that’s that’s something that a lot of people don’t know about me.

Brandon Burton 3:55
All right, so I have to ask I’m in Texas now. I spent some time in South Carolina I grew up in California barbecue is different everywhere. What is barbecue like in Tennessee?

Mark Field 4:06
You know our barbecue really kind of takes a lien from from both Kentucky and from Georgia and Memphis you know, we Knoxville Tennessee, you know kind of sits in the middle. A lot of people like the Memphis dry rub for ribs and a lot of people like the more Georgia sweet and tangy style for their pull pork sauces, so and then of course the great vinegar by sauce from Kentucky and and North Carolina are at you know, have a big influence here as well. So we’re a little bit of a melting pot on what kind of barbecue people lack in this region.

Brandon Burton 4:39
Yeah, you get the best of all of it. I didn’t hear any brisket in there, but you know, you get the best of

Mark Field 4:44
you know, it’s kind of funny. Granted, the very first brisket I cooked was a cross between what I would say a hockey puck and a conveyor belt. But But I learned I learned and so now it’s pretty good and I don’t I really don’t like any sauce on my bread. Should I really dislike my brisket? I’m a purist on that. Yeah,

Brandon Burton 5:05
we may need to talk offline. I’ve got a good Brianna rub. So well tell us a little bit more about the Knoxville chamber just to give us an idea of size, staff budget scope of work, things you’re involved with, just to kind of give us an idea of if to set the table for our discussion.

Mark Field 5:20
Yeah, gosh, the Knoxville chamber has been around since 1869. We’re old organization, old established organization, our community started as an actual board of trade. You know, and, and I would say just like any chamber, we’ve we’ve been through a lot of evolution. You know, do very well in our community have about 1900 investors. You know, our penetration rate, I’m gonna say somewhere around 10 to 15% of the businesses in our marketplace, with so for a large community that’s about standard for the industry, I think. We have 27 employees, some interns and some fellows, as well. So around 30 folks in the office, on and off, we do economic development, as well as Investor Services, investor relations. And we also have the downtown Knoxville Association. And we have the US Department of Commerce and our Tennessee small businesses wellness center all in one office. So there’s about 50 of us in the office. But chamber wise, we’re at about 30. associates.

Brandon Burton 6:28
All right. Well, there’s plenty of work there to keep those 30 Associates busy. So there really

Mark Field 6:34
are our budgets around $5 million. All in so that that’ll give you an idea.

Brandon Burton 6:39
Yeah, no, that’s great. So as we settled in on a topic for our discussion today, we wanted to focus on how the Knoxville chamber went from being more of a membership organization to more of a driver of community economics. So we will dive in much deeper into this conversation and the how that happened and what things look like now as soon as we get back from this quick break.

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Brandon Burton 10:06
All right, Mark, we’re back. So as I mentioned before the break, we’re talking today about how the Knoxville chamber went from being a more of a traditional membership organization, to more of a driver of community economics. So tell us kind of what that evolution looked like, obviously, we know what a kind of a traditional chamber looks like and see them all over the country. But what was that signal that said, if we need to get involved with more important work than just membership and business structures?

Mark Field 10:37
Well, I will tell you, Brandon, three years ago, we got a new CEO, our CEO, retired, and they did a national search. And they landed on Mike Odom, from the Round Rock chamber in Texas who had that previous year had one chamber of the year in their category. And Mike was a bright young chamber professional that was really the guy for the job, no, no question about it. Mike came in and took about six months and went around, met with about 200 stakeholders in our community and, and asked for real candid feedback from them about, you know, what does the chamber do in our community? You know, what should we be doing? What kind of value do we really deliver to you as an organization that invests with us or considers itself a member and you know, where’s Knoxville, in their opinion, in its evolution of growth and success from an economic perspective, and came back and set our senior leadership team down. And I gotta tell you, the notes weren’t pretty. There were a lot of folks that were confused about our purpose. They were confused about exactly what they got from their investment with us. There were a lot of people that said, you know, we think you’re a good organization, you have a good staff, we know you’re doing some good things, but we can’t really put our finger our mind on exactly what it is that drives the economy going forward, and what you do specifically for our business, now, we did have a lot of small businesses that said they enjoyed our networking events and our our education oriented Vance, those kinds of things, but, but the the folks that drive the community, the larger stakeholders, the banks, the health systems, those kinds of folks were, were really confused about our mission, and purpose going forward. So we sat in the room for several hours and talked about that, what were we gonna do, Mike made a statement that I think kind of shocked all of us. And that was that he believed everybody in the Knoxville region deserved an equitable opportunity to be prosperous. And that basically means get a job, have a job available, if you want, why, and it’s really driven around that. Get an education, put your kids through school, have a have an affordable place to live, be able to get from place to place to do what it is you need to do. All those quality of life issues. Now we know that people are all people aren’t going to take advantage of that. But But certainly, it should be available to them. And they may ask the question that really catalyzed to get to your point, what what changed us as an organization? And he said, can anybody tell me what that has to do with membership. And when he said that, you know, I’ve been doing this for 20 years now. And for 16, or 17 of those years, it was all about membership. For me, I was a membership guy, I was all about features and benefits, I was all about the events, all about trying to figure out how to drive more features and benefits to our members. But when he said that it resonated with all of us. And I gotta tell you, it was a real catalystic moment for all of us to realize that if you’re a small business in our community, it really doesn’t matter if you’re a minority business, or are you just have one employee or two employees or whatever else it may be can’t afford and or don’t feel comfortable being a part of a big membership organization like ours, you still deserve to have the support you need to be successful in our community. And so it’s really not about membership. And so we transitioned at that point over time, over about a 18 month period of time, away from being a membership organization, to an investment oriented oriented organization that really deliver service to any business in our community that needs it. So whether it’s a small minority business, or whether it’s a large business, we don’t ask you to invest with us to help you. We say what do you need us to do? What are issues that you’re dealing with? Let us weigh into them, think about them that figure out what we can do about them if it is something we need to be involved in. And then we rely on people in our community and our businesses in our community to invest in that work. And so that’s been the transition And that we’ve made very successfully over the last three years into being more of an economic driver and economic development oriented organization, our community versus a membership organization.

Brandon Burton 15:14
That is a bold step, right? I mean, as you look at the structure of a chamber, so much of the financing is based on your membership, and if you say, let’s step away from membership, and the structure can kind of be similar, going from membership to investors, but just that approach of what’s in it for me as the member, you know, versus you guys going and saying, Let us help you what are the things you need, and then asking them to invest back in the community to be able to help others to be able to find that that equal opportunity to be prosperous,

Mark Field 15:45
I would be lying to you, Brandon, if I didn’t say I was the one person that in this organization that had been here the longest in on the membership side, obviously, that was not really excited about it, to be honest with you, I mean, it, it scared me it it, I was fearful that it might not be received, and that the communication of it would not be received as well as we had hoped it would. But I couldn’t have been farther from the truth. In that fear, in that our community did realize that there were things in our community that needed work that we weren’t focusing on as a chamber. And frankly, no one else in the community was we’re talking about attracting the right kind of talent to our region, keeping the college graduates in our community, affordable housing. Skilled let you know, making sure our high schools and our community colleges were turning out the right kind of skilled labor to meet the needs of the businesses in our community. broadband access. During the pandemic, we found out that there were 6000 households that had children in them in Knoxville, that did not have broad but had no access to broadband access. And so that’s unacceptable, you know, reading and, and lesson planning and doing the coursework they needed to do in the hybrid environment, our school system went to, it’s unacceptable. So those are not things that the Chamber historically were ever involved in. And all of those things are front and center with us.

Brandon Burton 17:23
Right. So I think for a lot of businesses, like you mentioned, they would maybe appreciate the chambers, they are a good organization do good work, couldn’t put a finger on it. But they might think of the chamber as networking, ribbon cuttings, you know, that forward facing work that you see chambers do all the time. So talk to us more about the messaging of how you went from changing from that traditional view of what a chamber is, to more of this more important kind of mission driven work?

Mark Field 17:53
Well, I, you know, I think the thing that that I was most fearful of is, you know, how will that messaging be accepted? And, you know, are we doing it in the right way. And there was no better way during the pandemic, as we were making this transition, then to get on the Zoom, and have conversations with people. And that’s what Mike had done. You know, he went out and met with those two other stakeholders. And so the pandemic offered us this really great opportunity for people to take a few minutes out of their day and get on Zoom. And us have those conversations with them about transitioning away from this event oriented features and benefits oriented chamber, to an organization focused on things that prac practically no one in our community was, was thinking enough about, and to talk with them through it. So not really just push message down to them, which which in the past was our, our more of our model, right sentiment, email sentiment newsletter. But this was more of that one on one. Hey, don’t you think everybody in our community deserves an equitable opportunity to be prosperous? Will you admit it’s hard to find employees where you admit your employees are having trouble finding affordable housing? Will you admit that there are the economics in our community are not growing at the rate it should, we need more high wage talent, we need more entrepreneurial activity. We need more of our bigger businesses doing business with the vendors that are currently in our marketplace. All of those things as we talked about them and had a conversation, you know, resume. And so what I was fearful of is that that that one way communication that we were so accustomed to, would not be effective. But what we found out was is we didn’t have to worry about that because we decided to have conversations with people. And in those conversations, the message resonated.

Brandon Burton 19:58
Right. Yeah, we Those one way conversations often don’t even get opened or read.

Mark Field 20:05
Our open rates are in the 30% range. Right? So 30% of the people are hearing the message on average. So

Brandon Burton 20:12
so as you do have those one on one conversations with with your members or investors now, do you get some of the feedback that they want some of that traditional chamber stuff, still some of the networking some of the events that you guys traditionally involved with? Did you totally cut them out? Are there things that you still maintain?

Mark Field 20:30
Yeah, you know, I think they would like to have both. You know, and we talk a lot about the the, the difficulty of being able to manage a staff that needs to do research work and needs to be boots on the ground on these affordable housing issues, and these tax issues and these talent issues, versus having three or four people inside an organization, the size of hours working on the bands. And so we just have to have just as a business, you know, I’ve had this conversation 1000 times, as a business owner, you have to decide what are we going to focus on. And we just don’t feel comfortable right now doing both. Now, in the future, may we do a little more events than we’re currently doing. And we still do events, they’re just around, the educational type events are around those ecosystem issues. Now, we’re talking about affordable housing, we’re talking about talent attraction, trying to give employees help in regard to how to attract employees, and how to retire. But the traditional things, the networking type events, we just don’t do anymore. We we don’t do any morning coffees, we don’t do any business after hours. We hope that people will network around these educational issues when we bring them together. But yeah, I mean that we had some negative folks that felt like, you know, this is just not what I want, for my best mentor from our membership. And, and we have certainly lost some of those smaller businesses. But what we have done is we have offset that investment, by great measure with those organizations that historically were never members. And I did that in quotes, air quotes, members of the organization in the past against small manufacturing facilities, you know, research and development companies, those kinds of companies don’t have the time and never came to chamber events and therefore weren’t members, those kinds of companies are investing in our organization heavily. And when I say heavily, it’s not unusual. And not Not to brag to be very factual, it’s not unusual for us to go meet with a small manufacturing facility just did that two days ago, who had never been a member of the chamber, and never saw the value of that features and benefits model who gave us $5,000, as an investor, toward the work we’re trying to accomplish, because it affects his business in a great way. So that’s, so I have less $500 members, which is our lowest tier, and I have more members, and I always say hi, and but I would say have more small or less than 50 employed businesses that historically weren’t Chamber members now invested in the organization.

Brandon Burton 23:26
I love that that answers that question I was going to have as far as the funding goes, because he’s step away from that traditional stuff. And a lot of those are moneymakers as non dues revenue generators. So stepping away from, you know, having a bunch of the $500 members to more of those mission focused members that really are investing in the work that you’re doing is is a big part of it. What other I guess from the budget finance side, how else are you guys funding the work that you’re doing? And beyond the membership?

Mark Field 23:59
Again, the majority of that funding is coming now from, you know, from targeted funding. So we, you know, for instance, we have had some folks come to us and say, Look, I’m investing x with you is what I consider my membership dues, my investments, right? And we don’t we call them investments. Now, as I said, not semantically, it’s it, they really are investing in our work not being a member, because, you know, that’s just not our model. But we’ve had a lot of them come and say, you know, my company has a foundation, or are I’m really interested in this certain project that you guys are involved in. And I want to give you some additional funding toward that targeted project. We didn’t do that before. You know, we didn’t we normally you know, we would do sponsorships, right. But but we didn’t have companies come to us and say, Hey, I really feel strongly about this project you’re doing to increase digital literacy in our menorah A community and help them get broadband access and give them access to Chromebooks so that they can find a job and help their kids with their lessons. I really liked that. So I know I’m giving you $5,000 As my investment. But here’s another $5,000 to put into that project. We, that’s a new happening for us, right? It’s it. We didn’t used to have a lot of people come in our office or call us and say, Hey, I’d like to give you more money. Yeah, it just didn’t happen. But because of the mission work, and because of the projects that we’re involved in, that that is happening. And it’s refreshing. I mean, it’s people want to spend the dollars that they’ve made in their business, that have leadership capacity in their organizations, they want to see the community get, and they want to see those economic issues resolved. And so it’s it’s been, it’s been good to see that that kind of, and we still, we still do some signature events, we still do our our annual awards for the best businesses in our community. We call them the pinnacle Business Awards, we still do endeavor, which is our young professional Summit, where we bring them together to understand what’s going on in the community, and how, what what an important role they play. We stood up still do peel and eaten and politic in, which is our shrimp boil political advocacy event. So we still do those big we have for signature events that we did. And we still have sponsorships. But now our sponsorship model is an umbrella sponsorship over one of these ecosystem issues. So we have hired issues that that they can sponsor and they sponsor, anything that happens in that if we release a white paper, their names on it, if we do a an event, their names on it, if we have a speaker, their names on. So we have those five ecosystem umbrella sponsors now. And so that that has, again offset some of that business after hours, morning coffees, education, small education, small business education stuff,

Brandon Burton 27:14
right now. That’s great. So this work that you guys are involved with now, it’s big work, it’s important work that needs to be addressed. And it was being ignored largely. And you guys have stepped in and really taken ownership on that. So that’s a big responsibility. Because if things don’t happen, now, the fingers pointing back to you, right, as an organization. So my question is, what, what sort of touch points are you having with your investors throughout the year so they can see the work you’re involved with? A lot of times these advocacy type topics are kind of hard to see that, you know, movement happening, because it doesn’t happen overnight. Right. It’s a lot of the research and, and things like that, like you had mentioned. So how do you keep your investors apprised as to the progress of the work?

Mark Field 28:02
A couple of ways. And again, this was new for me. So I’d been at the Chamber 1617 years before my came along. And so we have issued six white papers. In the last three years, we had never issued a white paper before, we had never taken a solid stance on an issue in our community. Even politically, we always tried to ride the fence like a good chamber work, right. And so we’ve issued white papers around some of these economic issues, the most recent being transitioning the Knoxville economy into the innovation and digital age, which talks about things like high wage talent, more entrepreneurialism, more, more and better civic furniture, you know, more things for to attract young professionals to our region, and high growth companies research and development, life sciences, biosciences, those kind of things. So anyway, so we issued those white papers. And we, you know, obviously, a lot of people don’t want to read white papers, but so usually when we will, on our touchpoints, with with our investors, whether it’s through our newsletter, or just our emails or whatever else, we usually will mention, have you read? Do you know, maybe a lot of Do you know, kind of stuff? Did you realize that in our region, we only retained in the last 10 years 4% of people in the 25 to 54 H group and Do you realize what kind of effect that has on our economy? So a lot of that kind of, I guess what I would call attention getting statements about Were you aware that these things are happening in the community that again, you know, a lot of people you talk to in our community or so what’s your I would not Knoxville is a great community. We got a great college. We’re actually winning in football. Now, you know what’s wrong when Doc’s? Well, the reality is, is we’re not growing at the pace of some of our peers, and we don’t have the the economics that we should have for a community our size and with the assets we have. So we’re looking at Raleigh and we’re looking at Greenville, South Carolina we’re looking at at Tulsa, we’re looking at places like that, who has had that high wage talent and, and high growth companies located there. So So those to answer your question, I mean, we, we ask provocative questions that, that make them look at some of that information we provide to them. We do a lot more roundtable discussions now than we ever did. It’s where we’re bringing in different parts of the community together to I guess, you could say debate, those issues middle, we have become more of a convener where we shine the bright bot spotlight on an issue and and then bring people in that affect it, and collaborate and partner with them. Brandon, in this new world we live in the hardest part of our jobs, is figuring out, do we lead on an issue? Do we follow on an issue? Do we collaborate? Do we get out of the way? On someone that’s doing it well, and just promote them? That that’s a new role for us. But you know, I think Mick talked about this in the horizon initiative with ACCE, you know, chambers really can and shouldn’t be the conveners. With all the social political fragmentation in communities, certainly we have our share of that. And so we now can become that place. And that organization that says, we should be thinking about this, now we can figure it out together. But the fact of the matter is, this is an issue, and we’ve got to deal with

Brandon Burton 31:56
it. Right. Now that addresses it. Well, and as you talk about how you have those touch points was brought to questions as thought provoking questions, I guess, I see, you can leverage that in several different ways, right through through newsletter, through an email through a video posts through a social media posts, you’re able to, those are great. I hate using the word teaser, but it gets people interested, right, it provokes their interests where they want to learn more, they want to dive in a little deeper. So I appreciate you sharing some of those examples of how you’re helping to stimulate that discussion further. I wanted to ask you, if for those listening, what kind of tip or action item might you have for those listening who want to take their chamber up to the next level?

Mark Field 32:44
You know, the greatest lesson learned, you know, we were doing well as a chamber financially. Prior to this, this shift. You know, I think our community is better now, for us having made the shift in a big way. But that was all catalyzed around listening to our stakeholders. And and you can’t really survey him. You know, we do surveys, I’m not saying that you don’t survey, but you can’t use like a, what I would call the old traditional memberships are by what do you want? What should we do more? What should we not do any, because I don’t think people can have that candid conversation with you about what the real issues that they’re dealing with are. And people are not going to sit down and take 30 or 45 minutes on a survey and get the entire essay top paragraphs for you. I would just say a really strong tip to any SAS chain, whether you’re making the shift or not, is to go on a listening tour. And sit down and have open candid conversations with their stakeholders. And be willing to accept that feedback and make decisions based on that, as opposed to sitting in the office in the ivory tower, so to speak, and make decisions based on what you think your knowledge base or your experience tell you. I will tell you I couldn’t be I couldn’t have been further wrong. In my perception of what we were delivering to the community and the value of it, then what we heard and call it fall on the sword or whatever else you want to call it. I’m glad that we heard the news we heard because I think our community’s better now, having realized that we probably weren’t as effective in our community as we should.

Brandon Burton 34:52
Yeah, that’s big to admit that to that.

Mark Field 34:57
It was tough. Yeah, yeah, I can imagine A lot of what I call weeping and gnashing of teeth are

several months, right? What do you mean? We’re not doing it? Right? What do you mean? I don’t like it? What do you mean that appreciate it. But again, I mean, you know, your customers, you know, a lot of really great organizations, Apple being probably the lead that we all recognize, listen to their customers and give their customers what they want.

Brandon Burton 35:23
And I’ll say the surveys, you don’t need to scrap them all together. That might be the big one initiates that listening tour, it gives you that focus on who to go listen to first. And maybe it’s those people that aren’t responding to the surveys. Maybe they’re the ones who need to go listen to first.

Mark Field 35:38
Yeah, I think the people that we have been the most surprised by are people that were never engaged with us, that that have given us really good ideas, given us investment, have been more engaged in this new model that we have. That that’s been a really pleasant surprise is to see plant managers and owners of small manufacturing businesses weigh in and become more a part of what we’re trying to

Brandon Burton 36:07
accomplish. Right. Now. That’s great. So I like asking everyone I have on the show about how do you see the future of chambers of commerce and their purpose going forward?

Mark Field 36:19
Well, you know, I think, again, the horizon initiative that came out several years ago that MC was instrumental in in, you know, getting together, and that Sheri Ann has, has certainly continued to press on all of us that it’s important to look at what the future looks like. I would simply say there are a lot of ways that people can engage with chambers and membership organizations, and receive the kind of benefits that that we have driven to them in the past, whether it’s, again, small business education, or whether it’s networking events, and things like that. Those can be duplicated by other organizations. What can’t be duplicated, is finding out what the real core economic issues in your community are, and doing research and trying to figure out how to convene the people that can fix those that is unique for every community, what’s a problem in Knoxville may not be a problem in Chattanooga. And there, they may intersect. And if they do, then you have collaborative opportunities to learn. But I would just simply say the future for us is chambers, and I’m on the backside of it. Surely, the future for us as chambers is to listen, and to understand our marketplaces better, and affect them in a real way. As opposed to just throwing some features and benefits and services at a and calling that a day.

Brandon Burton 37:49
Yeah, gone are the days to be in a cookie cutter organization where what you’re doing is good for everybody. You need to listen and customize and, and really be willing to pivot you know, if your work isn’t resonating any more with the needs in your community, take a look at where you do need to be involved. Thank you for for that insight. So as we finish up here, Mark, I wanted to give you an opportunity to share any contact information for those listening who might want to reach out and learn more about how the Knoxville chamber went through this transition, and especially those who may have a little cold feet, it would be the best way for them to reach out and connect.

Mark Field 38:28
Yeah, and I would say you know, for us, it was about a two year process so it wasn’t quick. So I would just encourage you to go to Knoxville chamber.com There’s a lot of information about what we’re doing there. And those white papers exists there. And you can see how we’re trying to drive information and, and resources for our businesses on our website. I certainly am happy to have this conversation in more depth or around specific issues and so you can reach me obviously at mfield@knoxvillechamber.com. And I’m happy to you know, again send you any kind of printed material that we may have or or give you any conversation opportunities that you might need to help clarify and look forward to hearing from folks.

Brandon Burton 39:18
That’s great. And now I’ll get your your email and the Chamber website in our show notes for this episode so people can check that out and reach out and connect with you. But Mark I really appreciate you spending some time with us today here on chamber tap podcast. And in really this transition you guys have made is really something that chambers all over should be looking at. I’m not going to say they shall do it because every community is a little different. But they should be taking a look at what is the the important work you’re involved with and are you still being relevant. And this is a great example of that. So thank you for for sharing that with us today. I really appreciate it.

Mark Field 39:55
Right and I appreciate that appreciate your your podcast. You know we learn from each other That’s the best way for us to learn is to learn. We don’t there’s no sense of us all having to make the same mistakes over and over again and, and certainly I’ve learned from so many great chamber professionals and your podcast is another great way to learn from Greg chamber professionals operation.

Brandon Burton 40:15
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Grow & Protect with Frank Mulcahy & Ernesto Verdugo

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For this episode, we have a two-for. We’ve got two great guests for the price of one. So we’ve got Frank Mulcahy and Ernesto Verdugo. Ernesto and Frank are both Change Catalyst through their thought leadership and effective public speaking that leads to results. Ernesto is the 240/7 most traveled person in the universe. They worked for Renaissance cruises and KLM Royal Dutch Airlines before becoming a full time speaker and trainer. He’s worked with people from over 120 nationalities and 57 countries. He’s a little league baseball coach, a private pilot, and a master juggler. He lives with his wife and two kids in The Woodlands Texas.

Frank has developed a series of workshops over the past 38 years exposing the devastating impact of data breaches and identity theft, Frank’s immersion and identity theft prevention and red flag training began in his mortgage banking career is has he’s honed his mastery in all facets of identity theft in the workplace and online, as he has spoken to and trained over 835,000 individuals from the stage webinars and in workplaces against the ongoing threats of identity theft and misusing social media. As I have them with us today, we’re going to be talking about a new app that they’ve come out with called grow and protect. But Frank and Ernesto, I’m excited to have you with me today here on chamber chat podcast and like to give you both an opportunity to say hello to all the chamber champions that are out there listening and share something interesting about yourself so we can get to know you a little bit better, Franklin, start with you. Very good.

Frank Mulcahy 3:03
Thank you, Brandon. It’s a pleasure to be here today. And most importantly, it’s a pleasure to continue serving Chambers of Commerce because I believe that as an entrepreneur over the last almost 48 years, the chambers have probably been most instrumental to my growth. And I followed them from very, very small chambers all the way up to chamber galas. And it was as a result of my just everything that chambers gave to me that when we decided would grow and protect, it was time to get back to the chambers. And that’s what we’re going to share with the folks today is that we’re all in this together as one big happy family. And we’re all here to serve the small to medium sized business entrepreneur, on how they can grow and how they can protect their businesses in these chaotic times.

Brandon Burton 3:54
Very good Ernesto.

Ernesto Verdugo 3:56
Yeah, well, thank you, Brandon, for having us here. Your your introduction was very nice, very kind, very accurate. And all the stuff that you were saying one of the things that was not mentioned is that I am also the Vice President of Marketing of the US Mexico Chamber of Commerce. And it’s a little bit different than the other chambers of commerce that are around which are a little bit more local. This one is a by national Chamber of Commerce. And of course, I am delighted to be with your audience because we have a ton of stuff that we can help them with. So we will start we will start with our with our story. Basically everything started with the thoughts of my 13 year old daughter that basically taught me how to become a YouTuber. And then afterwards we started using YouTube as a tool of growth and we will tell you a little bit more on that story, but it is I am there I am delighted to be here.

Brandon Burton 5:00
That’s great. We can learn a lot from our children, can’t we? And oh my goodness, either directly or just seeing trends that are coming and how they’re interacting with technology. So what

Frank Mulcahy 5:11
what we, what, what we call that Brandon is actually reverse mentoring. Yes, we mentor them, they mentor us, and then we all collaborate and go forward.

Brandon Burton 5:21
That’s right. I love that. So tell us just a little bit about what your company grow and protect the app. What, what is it? And how long have you guys been doing this. And we’ll we’ll get much deeper into it. But let’s just give it an overview, just to kind of give some perspective as to why we’re having you guys on the show today to talk about this.

Frank Mulcahy 5:44
So grow, Grow and Protect is a chamber of resource library, Brandon, that we felt was necessary with the chaotic times that we were going into, and we’re going to talk in a little bit about how we started it way back in February of 2020. Before the lockdown, we knew times were going to change, what we didn’t realize is how devastating times would change. And so, Ernesto and I, we pivoted very quickly, we didn’t miss a beat. But we noticed that everybody else was falling behind. So the grown protect is meant to be a chamber resource library to actually put commerce back in Chamber of Commerce, to actually help the small business entrepreneur, to expand their business outside their local town, city, state, county, or even country by using the technology that Ernesto and I have been very, very blessed to have harnessed. And it was time to put it together in one spot with one module where apps where they can have it with them 24 By seven on all the devices and all this stuff, and everybody could grow, even the people that have technically challenged. Brandon, that’s the great thing about what we put together, one

Ernesto Verdugo 7:03
of the things that we noticed was that most of the chambers of commerce, they were offering a location, but the location, you know, it was, it was not the location that we thought it was exactly what was needed at that at that specific moment. And once again, as we were mentioning, for example, how they can use you to how they can start using them so that they can attract more, more business, how they can figure it out how to create a customer journey. And this is exactly what we started putting together and we put it we put it in very small bite size videos and lesson plans, so that they will not be struggling with you know, this is a full two hour course or anything that’s actually very, very easy for them to digest this information. And yeah, I mean, the people that take it seriously and then they you know, it’s we always say once more or less than that they will help you tremendously, so that you can start knowing how to go into the 21st century in my eyes. And this is one of the things that I always mentioned in my eyes. Unfortunately, many of the people which are actually doing business through it through chambers of commerce, they are a little bit behind in time. And we said well you know if this is what we need to do, we have to push all of this so that we can actually take people to the 21st century.

Brandon Burton 8:25
I like it so I’m excited to dive into deeper discussion about growing protect because I see great value in having a video resource library for chambers to point their members to to help them grow and protect their business and and get out of just the brick and mortar you know who’s in your local community. But let’s let’s broaden what that economy looks like. And I love how this is no cost to chambers so we’ll dive into that in much more depth as soon as they get back from this quick break.

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All right, Frank and Ernesto we’re back. As I mentioned before the break, I wanted to dive in deeper about grown protect. Frank, you alluded to kind of the beginnings of grown protect in February of 2020. Why don’t you tell us a story of how grown protect came to be and how the vision came and and how you guys enrolled this? Yeah, I’m

Frank Mulcahy 12:04
happy to do that. And we’re gonna go back to February of 2020, which was actually about three weeks before the great lockdown. And as international speakers, we were booked in Mumbai, India, at the world, HR 2020. Congress. And I remember that Ernesto myself, Dave crane, several of us that traveled together around the world. We were at the Taj Hotel, and we were talking about Wuhan, China like everybody else. The difference was because we’re only 1000 miles away, we started to realize that, yeah, they’re shutting down flights from China to the US. But what people didn’t realize is they were flying from China into India, India, into Europe, and then on to the states. And so we sat at the Taj Hotel, that second week in February, and we said, our whole world’s going to change, but we had no idea it would be two years plus, that businesses would still be suffering. And so we will wonder what we’re going to do. And Ernesto and he can tell you about it in a second. But he immediately once we got back to the states on March the 12th, when we had the great shutdown, he launched a web TV show, and never missed a beat had over 100 broadcasts had 1000s of people listening to it daily. And then I said, well, I need to, I need to become a YouTube influencer. And I need to take all my speaking virtual rather than public during the Great lockdown. And while my customers are not my customers, but while my competition, Brandon was wondering, What am I going to do now? There’s no public speaking, no access to people. I never missed a beat. And people were fascinated that at 69 years old, I became a YouTube influencer. But I took advantage of it because it’s relatively simple. And that’s how we started and we said, we have the skills. We did a survey, I met with Aaron Cox, who was the president of the Texas Chamber of Commerce executives. I went up to Austin had lunch with him. I said, I said, Aaron, this is what I’m looking to put together a library of two 300 videos of how people can actually protect their business grow their business, and they can do it even technically challenged. What do you think he said, we talked about this for five years at the Greater Texas Chamber of Commerce executives, but nobody knew where to start. I said, Well, my partner and I got it pretty much 50% bill. And we put together Boyd Brandon, with chamber executives that I’ve known over the last 40 plus years and asked for the curriculum, what would they think their businesses needed? And as a result, we have the growing protect dot app, which is as as you said, it’s free to chain Because of commerce to give back to the membership, so that they can grow their business. And the only cost is $1 to activate the mobile app.

Brandon Burton 15:11
So Ernesto, I think your daughter had a great spark of, I don’t know, Prophesy ingenuity, I don’t know what you want to call it. But she had some unique foresight to say you need to be a YouTuber, and make that shift. And I see how that’s paid off for you. And for Frank, and for the influence that you’ve had. How did you go from, I guess, taking the videos as a YouTuber, to organizing it into an app that has a training resource library, and specifically for Chamber members?

Ernesto Verdugo 15:46
Well, as Frank was mentioning, when we jumped into the web TV show, we knew that we had to go digital. So every I mean, in those days, some was not what it what it is right now. I mean, it suddenly started becoming a very important tool, we were actually not transmitting through through zoom, we were using other other software. And we were doing it through Facebook. And it was very interesting. That was the beginning of the lockdown. We went from having nobody watching the TV show to having for about 100 days in a row. We were having about 1000 1500 people watching the show every single day. And then we said, well, you know, this is it. This is the way to communicate in this time. And it was great. But then what happened was that after the after the lockdown, the initial lockdown started easing off, we started losing the audience. I mean, we suddenly were, you know, we were novelty during the time of the, of the lockdown, but then suddenly, I mean, we started losing the audience. And then that’s when my daughter told me Well, you know, the problem is, you have to go into YouTube, because YouTube is going to be the one of the platform, which is going to give you the most exposure. Now, the problem with YouTube is, it is the most effective tool, but it’s the most difficult to understand because you don’t have to think as a marketer, you don’t have to think as an influencer, you don’t have to think as somebody that wants to run social media or anything like that, you have to think like a real TV model. And then we started realizing, well, you know, this is basically if you have a channel, as they call it, you have to have some kind of programming. And this programming needs to be interesting. And you have to make sure that you have the enough retention for people to watch the content that you’re creating. And then we started experimenting. I mean, we started doing several shows Frank and I, some of the videos that we created were crap. I mean, we have to absolutely accept it. But then we started figuring out well, you know what, this is what works if we know exactly what kind of content and we make it fun, and we make it entertaining, and we make it you know, a way that people will be able to consume it, these little, these little 10 minute 15 minute videos are going to become very effective. And exactly what happened. I mean, we started having a lot of traction on those videos on YouTube. And then that’s when we said, Well, I think you know what, let’s also capitalize from all of this, and start putting it into a platform so that all the people in the chambers of commerce will be able to benefit from it. I love

Brandon Burton 18:29
that. And I like to you can own and admit that some of the videos are just crap. The best way to get better is just put in the reps, keep doing it. And the more practice you get at it, the better you get, and the more refined your process.

Frank Mulcahy 18:45
Aaron, let me add to that, Brandon, if I might. One of the ways that we’re able to get the quality of the videos increased, what we put, we actually put together an advisory board of chamber executives, people that had a minimum of 20 years as the leaders of chambers. And we asked them about the curriculum, we asked them about the lesson plans. And so although Ernesto, and I like to think that were the founders, there were a tremendous amount of chamber professionals that advised us to what they needed and what they wanted.

Brandon Burton 19:24
Awesome. So let’s dive into the content of it as the trainings what, as a chamber explores this is they look at an opportunity to be able to share this video resource library with their members. What kind of trainings would they expect to find in there that they could share with their members? Well,

Frank Mulcahy 19:43
we will go back and forth will each add on to this but I think I think the most important thing in the first lesson we start with is about mindset, the shift in the mindset as to how business and commerce is now conducted worldwide because most people Well, they’re still stuck at the best skills and attributes of five years ago, which are probably the excess baggage today. And so we have to make this fundamental shift that as time progresses, the way that we develop things, the way that we serve customers, the way we go to the marketplace, is constantly changing and evolving. And that’s where we work, first of all on the mindset, and the aspect that they can look for the future trends. And then from there, let’s do you want to give them a couple of the lesson plans that we did, and so from YouTube?

Ernesto Verdugo 20:36
Yeah, absolutely. Well, I mean, for example, one of the one of the ones that I think it’s very powerful is the digital stagecraft. There’s a whole lesson on how to communicate, as we are doing it right now in zoom. Still, you see people after two years that they still do not really know how to use some properly, they look incredibly unprofessional. And right now we can show in absolutely everywhere in the world, and you have to look your best. So that is one of them. I mean, the other one would be on the customer journey, as we were mentioning, and it was very, it was very funny, because we actually went to IKEA in in Houston to record these so that people will understand that right now is not that you’re selling a product, you’re selling a whole whole journey of what your products are, and how you can actually make the most out of every customer that goes into your into your business, customer acquisition. Lead Generation, we’re having LinkedIn training we’re having how to how to get your brand, across all over the place how to become Omni omnipresent, which right now it’s the most important thing in the in the world, because what happens now is that, for example, doesn’t matter what it is, if you’re going to go on a date, or if you are going to ask for a job, or whatever it is, the first thing that people will do is they will Google you. And you are not who you say you are, you’re a Google who actually Google says who you are. And that is one of those things that most businesses do not really take seriously. So if you go and search and pictures there, people are not going to take your series, but the moment that they see that you’re absolutely everywhere and omnipresent, what’s going to happen is that they’re going to have instant respect. And one of the things that Frank and I really found was that when you when people can see your accomplishments without you having to talk about them, what’s going to happen is, you know, the the Speed of Trust is going to is going to be there they’re going to be people are going to trust you right away. I mean, and this is exactly what happens when people hear my name. They go and google me, and they see that I am absolutely everywhere. And there’s over a million results about me in Google. People don’t question me, if I go to speak, and I say well, my fees $10,000. I can justify it because of course, I’m pretty well known. So that’s the important thing. And most people are still on found double with with Google. And that’s another of the lessons that we’re talking about just just to name a few.

Brandon Burton 23:22
Even just when I started chamber chat podcast, as I initially was reaching out to people to be guests on the podcast. Initially, it was hard, because people didn’t know who I was, if they went to Google and search me or the podcast, there wasn’t a whole lot out there. So they were really trying to do the research. And, and now if somebody searches, you know, chamber chat, podcast or my name, it’s going to be all over the place. But it I see that being that having that influence that Omni presence everywhere really is valuable in creating that that digital footprint, but it translates from what you’re doing in your brick and mortar building, to the web.

Frank Mulcahy 24:04
So absolutely. And you know, there was a study that I saw in Forbes magazine, Brandon, and it said, 65% of millennials and this is just six months ago, 65% of millennials prefer not to talk to somebody in the transactional process of making a decision. They want to go online, they want to see video validation, they want to see your brand as a company. Who are you Where have you been? What have you accomplished? I mean, if we stop and think about it random, people go to Yelp to decide whether they’re going to go to a new hamburger or pizza or Chinese restaurant based on the reviews of others. So we certainly have to we have to accept the fact that they’re going to be looking at us IP were a survey company a real estate a construction roofing, contracting, educate It doesn’t matter what we are as Chamber members, people are going to research you. And based on what they find, they’re either going to keep delaying the process to business with you, or they’re going to accelerate it because as Ernesto said, they have the trust. And that’s probably one of the key things. As we as we do the grown protect, we also do monthly live collaboration calls for the for the users. And we’re able to go to these lesson plans. And when they understand that tremendous growth happens in their business, Brandon tremendous,

Brandon Burton 25:34
right? So it’s interesting how these things come together. You know, Frankie had mentioned 65% of Millennials don’t want to interact with the individual with another in person, you know, transaction. And we’re nesto talked about the customer journey experience filming an Ikea my customer journey at IKEA is very different. Yeah, I’ll go there, knowing what I want. And I’ll go right to the warehouse, get the boxes I want and check out I refuse to walk through the maze of the customer journey at IKEA. So you know, everybody has these different different ways to interact. But being able to, to know your customer being able to be omni present, have those reviews out there be able to get that good feedback. And it sounds like all these trainings, you have address these various different topics and, and really kind of stack on top of each other to build a strong business to grow and protect, right. So tell us how does grow and protect work for a chamber? If a chamber wanted to adopt grown protect for their organization for their members? What does that look like? for

Frank Mulcahy 26:43
that? Yeah, the first thing I urged them to do is to give me a call, let’s set up a 1015 minute discovery call. And they can go to speak to frank.com, speak to frank.com. And they can book on my calendar. But what I’m going to explain to them, Brandon is that there is no cost to the chamber at all. Everything we’re doing is going to be in the realm. If they look at our video grow and protect that app, they’ll see that the message to the Chamber members is that the chamber is bringing these resources to their members. And it’s so refreshing because now rather than the chambers asking him for another sponsorship or another donation more time, they’re actually giving something back to the Chamber members, which is a $297 value. But the chamber member gets it for $1 for $1 lifetime access to all of the lesson plans, plus the monthly collaboration calls that are nesto. And I do what we’re doing live trainings with guest sponsors. And we’re bringing in, we’re bringing in all of the lesson plans, as Ernesto said, digestible chunks, three minutes, five minutes, six minutes, and the but they can walk through it at their pace. And they can choose somebody might say, I want to do the LinkedIn, because I really want to learn how to get a refined marketing statement, one that causes people to raise their hand and say, Brandon, please tell me more about chamber chat, or the contract. Tell me more. That’s what we’re doing is we’re walking them through this. So for the chambers, you’re going to increase your membership, you’re going to increase your membership fees, you’re going to increase your sponsorships and you’re doing it at no capital expense. So the first thing they did book that 10 minute discovery call and let’s see whether or not this is good for your chamber and we’ll set them up at no charge.

Brandon Burton 28:44
So as we start wrapping up here, I wanted to ask what would be one maybe tip or action item for chamber champions listening who want to take their chamber up to the next level? I’m sure you both have a tip but maybe Ernesto we can start with you on that response.

Ernesto Verdugo 29:01
Well, obviously I will definitely recommend that you take us on this on a call. You know we are we we have done is we have taken the way that chambers have done business forever but now we have taken it into the digital world. I mean everybody asks, well, how’s it possible we spend a huge amount of time and money developing this, this problem and then everybody says well how could you give it away for free and this is what I think it’s very, very interesting and then I’ll tie it to a very good tip. Normally for example, if chambers are having events, they bring out speakers and they the speakers also benefit because of of the exposure that they get. Well this is exactly the same thing but digital. So if it is if it is free, if it is at no cost and it is absolutely for education so that you can you increase increase the value that you provide to your chamber. This is an absolute must for for every chamber to, to be using it because it’s going to make a big difference. What with the results that you’re that your Chamber members second we’ll be having?

Brandon Burton 30:20
Very good. Frank, do you have anything you’d like to add as far as a tip or action item for listeners? Yeah,

Frank Mulcahy 30:26
yeah, I want to continue on that same thought that Ernesto just had there. As he said, chambers. And I said it earlier that I grew my entire business, Brandon, from Chambers of Commerce. I started with rotaries, Lyons, Kiwanis, but I very quickly realized the business community is at the chamber. And so you know, most chambers, they bring in a speaker, but it’s complimentary. We really don’t get paid like we do when we get on the big stage. And so I realized that if I could, if I could put together virtually a library, which I think today and so we’ve got over 270 lesson plans within the growing protect app with about 50 more planned over the next quarter. Then what’s gonna happen, Brandon, is that the CEOs, the executives, the association’s, they’re going to, they’re going to stop and say, you know, this is great stuff, whether it’s pocket filmmaking, client acquisition, customer traction, digital optics, refined marketing statements, whatever it is, and they’re gonna ask us, can you come in, for instance, you introduce me in the bio, that I’m very, very big in the cyber awareness arena. But I’m also known worldwide for disruptive, abusive behavior in the workplace, which is devastating to the workplace. And it’s amazing how the chambers have grown my, my training companies, where I come in and solve workplace bullying situations for clients, like the city of Houston, the state of Texas, the National Nuclear Security Administration, I never would have had those contracts. Brandon, unless I had spoken at that chamber. At some point in time, we don’t know when we just know that the more we serve, the more we profit, the chain, a complimentary.

Brandon Burton 32:17
Very good, I liked those responses. So I’d like asking everyone I have on the show, as we look to the future of chambers of commerce, how do you see the future of chambers and their purpose going forward? And we’ll give you both a shot at this as well. So Ernesto, if you want to take first stab at that, yeah,

Ernesto Verdugo 32:35
I think the the, you know, right now we have seen it. I mean, in my eyes, a lot of the chambers are little pockets, which are, you know, in everywhere, and right now, because we are going in a global way of thinking, I think, I think the future of the Chamber of Commerce, business is to be able to provide opportunities locally, but also globally. And, you know, it’s it’s one of those things that it’s inevitable. So I think that’s where I see the that’s, that’s why I’m very excited about, you know, working with with several chambers, because every time that we talk to them, and we tell them our vision of how things are going to be working. And they always say, Yeah, I definitely think that that’s the way to do it to actually grow locally, but also have a element of globalization to for our members.

Brandon Burton 33:32
Love that. Frank, what is your future, the Chamber vision look like?

Frank Mulcahy 33:37
It as I talk more and more with our advisory board every month, it’s about developing more avenues for commerce, Chamber members want to know, what are they getting for the return on investment? And what you know, how are you helping me to grow my business. And unfortunately, with these online courses, that that Constant Contact, that’s not cutting it, with Chamber members, from as far away as Sri Lanka, and Malta and London, and all across the United States, because in the last year, we’ve actually grown to almost 300 chambers that are now offering a growing protect app. And as more and more of the people are on the collaboration calls, Brandon, that creating that, that that connection that Ernesto just talked about, outside of Houston, or outside of Texas, or outside the southwest, but they actually can pick up additional clients and prospects all across North America and the world. And in the digital economy. We all have to we all have to accept this. That somewhere right now. There’s an 11 or 12 year old sitting in the bedroom with a cell phone and an Internet connectivity that is becoming our next competition. because they don’t need the back office, they don’t need the business plan, they don’t need the funding, all they need is a little bit of grasp of where the technology is going, and how they can use all these channels we talked about and grow and protect, we walk you through every single one of them, and then start to implement them a little bit here, a little bit there. And the next thing you know, your members are now picking up new product lines, new customers around the world, additional avenues of income, and they’re going to use the internet, rather than being used by the internet. And that’s the greatest value that we provide.

Brandon Burton 35:41
That’s great. Yeah, be it be a creator of content instead of a consumer only of content. So well, I want to give you both an opportunity to share any contact information for anyone listening who’d like to reach out and connect and, and learn how to work with growing protect, what would be the best way Frankie had mentioned, speak to frank.com? Are there other ways that you’d like people to reach out and connect?

Frank Mulcahy 36:08
Yeah, and you know, again, they can reach out just go to Google put in Frank Mulcahy. groan, protect, you know, but speak to frank.com is the best one, Brandon because they can actually go into my calendar, and book a collaboration call. It’s free. We’ll have an online cup of coffee and show you what we can do for your chamber, and make you part of the ground protect family where you actually can now serve your chambers. And a lot of the chambers, Brandon will actually come and do live presentations for them, depending on where they are geographically and where we are. But we can we can tailor any program for any chamber. Because we have Chambers from all around the world now and every nationality. And there’s never any selling. It’s all about serving and delivering value, no selling. And if people raise their hand and say Ernesto, Frank, Brandon, please tell me more. That’s what we’re looking for us that relations.

Brandon Burton 37:14
Right. That’s beautiful. Well, thank you both for joining me today on chamber chat podcasts and joining all the chamber champions listening, what you guys are doing is definitely creating a lot of value. It’s creating a opportunity for Chamber members for these local businesses to further develop their business and to become stronger to become more resilient going forward into the future. So appreciate the work you guys are doing, and especially focusing on on Chambers of Commerce. That definitely is our niche. So thank you for that. And thank you for joining us today.

Frank Mulcahy 37:55
It’s my pleasure. Thank you, Brandon.

Ernesto Verdugo 37:57
Thank you, Brandon.

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Looking 25 Years into the Future with Bryan Derreberry

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Brandon Burton 0:00
This is the Chamber Chat Podcast, the show dedicated to chamber professionals to spark ideas and to get actionable tips and strategies to better serve your members and community.

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Our guest for this episode is Bryan Derreberry. As President and CEO of the Charleston Metro Chamber of Commerce for 11 years, Bryan leads one of South Carolina’s largest chambers in its regional advancement work. Bryan has an established executive management track record, featuring more than 30 years in chamber leadership and advocacy roles. Prior to joining the Charleston Metro Chamber. Bryan was president and CEO of the Wichita Metro Chamber of Commerce in Wichita, Kansas, where he directed the state’s largest Metro Chamber for seven and a half years. He also served as president and CEO of the Catawba County, North Carolina and Middleton Ohio Chambers of Commerce respectively. Bryan began his chamber career as a state lobbyist for the Greater Cincinnati Chamber of Commerce, of course in Ohio. He holds holds a Bachelors of Arts degree in political science from Wittenberg University and is and has completed graduate coursework towards a combined MA and PhD in American politics, and international relations from the American University. Bryan, I’m excited to have you with us today here on chamber chat podcast. And I’d love for you to take a moment to say hello to all the chamber champions and share something interesting about yourself so you can get to know you a

Bryan Derreberry 2:31
little bit better. Well, Brandon, thank you for the opportunity. You know, it’s I love when you say chamber champions, because I I think about all my colleagues across the country and the amazingly important work they do and strengthening their business communities and advancing their regions. And I think one of the interesting parts of my background is my intention, when I started my career, was to go into lobbying full time, and had that chance with the Greater Cincinnati chamber. And at that time, that was the fourth largest chamber in America and represented that business community in Columbus, Ohio, four days a week and really treasured the opportunity. And somebody said to me, do you miss your lobbying days? And I think one of the things that people can learn about chamber executives, is that I said, I lobby as much now as I did when I did it full time, right? This looks different. I said it different audiences, different opportunities. A lot of times, it could be anything from a neighborhood association, embracing a new piece of infrastructure, or a group that’s not familiar with our chamber, we launched a major DNI effort three years ago. So we’re, we’re speaking out in numerous communities in our metro area, and sharing with them about the chamber for the first time. So it’s powerful to think about how every chamber exec in the country and many of their teammates day in and day out need great lobbying skills. So those degrees and that initial experience have really served me well.

Brandon Burton 4:15
Absolutely, yes. And I firmly believe that anyone listening to this it’s involved with the chamber, they are champions for their community and and when I tried thinking of a name for the audience, you know, that that seemed to fit well, so kind of rolls off your tongue but it has great meaning to so thanks for for recognizing that and you take a moment and tell us a little bit more about the the Charleston Metro Chamber to kind of the type of chamber Scope of Work size, staff budget, that sort of thing. Just to give us some perspective before we dive into our conversation.

Bryan Derreberry 4:52
You bet. We have 1600 members. A budget that said six and a half have million 30 full time staff members. And we have four primary platforms that we deliver our work through. Number one, like every chamber, a significant membership platform. Number two, a important government relations platform. We have three full time lobbyists on our team, one up in the state house in Colombia, and then two that work locally with our three counties and 30 municipalities. I think that’s a distinctive flavor for our organization, with regard to how important it is to get alignment, in all those communities, and I’ll talk a little bit later about, we use a partner ethos to lobby versus the bloody nose ethos that seems to be typical for the rest of our United States today. And that serves us very well. We have a large community advancement platform. And within that platform, we do diversity, equity and inclusion work. We do significant professional development programming work for our members. And also we do workforce and talent development. And then our marketing and communications platform is the fourth platform with regard to making sure not only that membership, can actively get engaged in what we do, but also the 830,000 people. And 165,000 employees represented by our membership, have an appreciation for what goes on within the chamber. So a very gifted group of folks, board of directors of 68, Executive Committee of 26. So very actively involving all the sectors in our metro area, and the volunteer leadership of our chamber. And I know one thing that chamber champions understand out there is that a lot of times we have to explain to people that we are a volunteer, directed organization. And they’ll come to us and say, Oh, you need to take a position on this issue. Well, we’ll go through our committee structure, and determine whether we take a position on the issue or not, it’s not my decision, or our government relations team, or our workforce development team to make a policy decision. It’s the responsibility of our volunteers. And I think after a number of years here, people now appreciate that, and they value that. So I think that’s another dynamic of our chamber is we very much want to put our members and key leadership roles in directing the chamber, we see ourselves as a regional advancement organization. So we look at that three county metro area and we look at big Rakesh used to work on already mentioned diversity, equity, inclusion, housing, attainability, mobility solutions, overall quality of business environment. So significant work that will advance our region over the next 25 to 50 years.

Brandon Burton 8:09
Right. I love that the fact that you pointed out you know, if the issue gets presented to the chamber, you take it to your committees, your board. A while back, I had Matt Morrow from the Springfield, Missouri chamber on the podcast, and he talked a lot about the wisdom of crowds. And when especially when you have a board of that size, 68 and different committees and whatnot, as you bring a different different topics in there. They all come in from their different backgrounds and experience and be able to know what the vision is the direction the Chamber’s trying to go. And then from there, combined experience and wisdom, they’re gonna land on the best possible outcome and direction to take up on different issues and policies even so glad you pointed that out.

Bryan Derreberry 8:57
You know, Brandon, I would strongly agree with your assessment. I am. This is my 36th year in the profession and I, overall, those board meetings, executive committee meetings, government relations committee meetings, I’ve seen the wisdom of our leaders proven out time and again. And I think another thing that every chamber champion listening recognizes is that they may come up with a position that’s contrary to what I personally believe, on a policy issue, maybe even what our team believes. And at the end of the day, we step forward and implement that decision, because it is their organization. So I think if you’re young and you’re chamber champion development, it’s important to realize that and of course, we want passionate people in our profession. And we want people that are highly skilled and able to craft how an issue needs to be examined. But then you have to be responsible to the degree See that it may end up somewhere that you didn’t imagine it would go. In over all those years, I’ve never seen it a selection of an outcome or a policy position that wasn’t best for the business community. So my encouragement would be to trust, that leadership, trust working with them to find the right pathway forward for your community. And there’s an old saying, you and I both heard of Brandon, you know, if they write it, they’ll underwrite it. And they, if they develop it and fill, it’s their own, they will get up and give public testimony, they’ll provide funding for lobbying efforts. So that’s part of the beauty of this profession is that, you know, we do lead heterogeneous organizations. This is not the American Dental Association or the American Medical Association. So we’ll have everything from a sole proprietor to somebody leading Joint Base Charleston here with 26,000 employees, and all across that spectrum, people will bring input an interest, and that’ll craft a composite position, or a composite direction. That’s really powerful. Right? Takes a lot of patients.

Brandon Burton 11:16
That’s right, it does. It takes a lot of patients. So our topic for discussion today, I’m a big fan of helping people and even chambers to understand the potential the power within them to become something greater. And for our discussion today, we’re focusing on looking 25 years into the future, which I think is very important in that aspect as far as realizing what the potential is of your organization, to be able to see what direction you can go and what needs to happen. You know, those those baby steps so to speak between here and there, and we’ll dive into this discussion as soon as we get back from this quick break.

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All right, Bryan, we’re back. And as I mentioned before the break, we’re talking about looking 25 years into the future as a chamber organization looking into the future. What at the end of this conversation, I’ll ask you how you see the future of chambers going forward. But in the meantime, before we get to that future and How do you see from here moving forward over the next 25 years,

Bryan Derreberry 15:04
Brandon and we do something that we feel is particularly powerful. About mid year we’ll begin a process called annual partnership calls. So we will go to somewhere between 180 to 250 of our members. And we sit down. And we ask a couple of questions that influence what that runway looks like over the next 25 years. The first question is, talk about the next three to five years of your company, and identify where you think there are excellent opportunities for your competitive growth, and then identify things that are impediments, speed bumps, and then we just, were quiet. And I think anytime you ask somebody about their company, and how they’re doing, where they’re going, what’s working, what’s challenging, you get really good, really good input. And the other the other question that really registers with them is that if there were one to two things in our metro area that you could change for the better, what would they be? So I’d love to tell you, we come back with a lot of disparate information and no agreement, we come back with a real clear picture as to what are the most significant opportunities, and what are the most pressing challenges. And when we look at those in combination, a lot of what we described on how we’re designed as an organization is influenced by the annual partnership calls in our area housing attainability is the number one regional issue. It will be a 25 year fix. To get the proper stock, the proper pricing, we’re in a real challenge with regard to our supply versus our demand. We’re growing by 33 net people a day, and we’re just having a hard time providing workforce housing that’s affordable. So we have a huge coalition working on that all three counties, public sector partners, private sector leaders, citizens, different associations. And we know right now we’re at 6000 houses behind for attainable housing in our metro market. That’s a couple of decades. So another one is mobility solutions, we’re getting ready in 2026 to undertake high speed bus lanes. So major mass transit project 21 Miles 2020 stops along the way. And for our metro, you know, if you’re in a, we were just in Boston for Metro leadership visit, they’ve been hopping on the tee for a while now. For us, that’s an important first step, there will be other lines to follow. But removing, even if we can remove eight to 10% of the traffic from our highways, that extends their longevity, it cuts down on congestion. So those are the kinds of issues that emerge. And it’s not us sitting in some room at the Chamber, figuring out where we go the next 25 years. It’s the people that want to be the employers, the citizens, the electeds, that continue to help our region thrive, identify where we’re going. And in that mix, there are many of our elected bodies, there are stakeholder partners. So we’re getting a really great level of input that’s formulating where we go. The other thing we just completed, we did an 18 month study. It’s called one region roadmap and used SP Friedman out of Chicago, Illinois to undertake our effort. And what it does, as a lot of communities don’t know what those big rock issues are, doesn’t take very long to figure those out. But this is going to be a 10 year plan, where every year we’ll identify five to seven priorities for the region to work on collectively. And there will be we’re using a local governing network,

which my political science professors from long ago would have really liked hearing. But what that is it means there’ll be a lead agent, we’re going to be the lead agent for housing attainability will involve other stakeholders throughout the community. And then we’ll begin to work on gaining annual metric identified success and creating more attainable housing. So equitable did Dual accesses another one, entrepreneurial development is another one. But this gives us a roadmap as a region for a decade. And at the heart of the one reaching roadmap is equitable access for all of our citizens to living, learning and earning opportunities. So I think you have to have a foundational piece that engages everyone. And that’s the piece, we want everybody to be able to have those attributes as we move through the decades ahead. So listen, well build a strategic plan that has lead agents that will be responsible for the work that’s being undertaken. And they get after it year in and year out, we have a large steering committee that will evaluate each of the lead agents on an annual basis to make sure they’re performing. So you know, it’s the classic thing brand. And if you if you fail to plan, you plan to fail, and we’re just really dedicated to that kind of work. And I would encourage chamber champions across the country that are listening, there’s a couple of key learnings in there. Number one, you want to bring as many people along as possible. So get out and talk to your members, talk to your elected officials, talk to the people that you’re going to need to do this with. We never say the chamber is going to do this work. We say along with our partners, we’re gonna tackle these annual priorities. The other thing is to make them concrete. That’s hard for a lot of communities. I’ve been in other communities that love to study and talk. But when you say annually, we’re going to achieve x, y, we’re gonna accomplish why. And then you report on it, then you have credibility, then it’s not a study that goes and sits on the shelf and collect stuff. So listen, well, engage others be concrete, and produce results. So we’re, we’re excited about one region roadmap, we kick it off in October. So when you and I talk this time next year, yeah, I’ll be able to, I’ll be able to tell you more about getting divorced in one region roadmap.

Brandon Burton 22:18
Yeah. So I know leading up to this discussion, you had shared with me, some of these topics that you guys are looking on. Maybe areas of focus, as you look to the future of Charleston, and and you talked about some of these, like the attainable housing and the you know, the infrastructure and mobility and things like that, as you have these different. We’ll call them topics areas of focus. How do you go about focusing on each one? I assume there’s some sort of a committee for each area of focus? Is that right? Have you said it’s one thing to create division, and we need to expand and put some focus and, and work over in these areas? But then how do you go from that, that vision to actually rolling it out to? Let’s take some action on these different steps? What does that look like there in Charleston?

Bryan Derreberry 23:12
You know, it’s interesting, and I think inherent in your in your question is a couple of things for chamber champions number one, regardless of the size of your chamber, and I have a deep passion for chambers that have staff under the number of 10. I think they work harder than any other chamber in the country, you’re going to need to hire some experts. We’ve been very intentional over the past 11 years, that we add people to our team that have significant expertise. So while they won’t do it on their own, they have a career track record in the areas whether it’s workforce development, government relations, diversity, equity and inclusion, attainable housing. They’re an expert. Because I think that you’ll be pleased as a chamber when you make that investment. And when you’re smaller, and maybe one or two major issues. So we’ve been very intentional about in that group of 30. Hiring people that have that level of expertise. The other thing that we’ve done is built a very strong committee structure. So however, those issues are moving through our organization, there are one or two or more committees that will be touching them. And we’ll be following through on what we commit to do organizationally to achieve results. The final thing is a talk a little bit about that local governing network and if anybody would like information on that we’re happy to share. You have to engage the whole region. So you look at something like the high speed bus lanes. Our Berkeley Charleston Dorchester Council of Governments is working with all the governments along that set of high speed bus lane routes. We’re working through our regional policy committee, which handles all of our local regional work. But there also is going to be a lead agent in that area that will pull together, how many ever stakeholders are required to implement. So a lot of it’s leveraging what I call critical mass. So you got some key folks at the top that have expertise, and then they’re bringing partners together to, in this instance, transportation, overlays for development on those 20 bus stops. So you know, there’s some sophistication that’s required when you do that kind of work. So, you know, my encouragement would get experts on your team, make sure the region understands the top issues, bring stakeholders together, that can move the issue. And then, again, metrics that make sure over 510 1520 years, you’re making progress, because in that timeframe, Brandon, you and I both know, you’re gonna have different mayors, you’re going to have different city councils, you’re going to have different county councils, you’re going to have a different state legislative delegation. So you have to be you chamber, and top stakeholders that are in it for the long run, you have to keep the plumb line very clear, and keep coming back to the issues. Because a lot of times public and private sector partners can get easily distracted. So that’s the other thing is that we look at all of our work as forever work. Okay, you’re forever doing housing affordability, you’re forever improving infrastructure. You’re forever maintaining your business climate. For us as a coastal community, you’re forever looking at resiliency. So part of that is developing a drumbeat internally to be in it for the long game. Yeah, every year, as you said, you want to have annual achievements. But you have to have those long game goals, talented team, great partners, focus and metrics to be able to move to we call them big rock issues. Because they don’t go away. You know, somebody said, you know, we have funding, we have something called Accelerate greater Charleston that funds. A lot of the professional staff that the technical professional staff is somebody said, Well, when are we going to stop doing accelerate greater Charleston? And we just smile, and we say never,

Brandon Burton 27:50
whenever you give up, you know, like,

Bryan Derreberry 27:53
you want to quit? Yeah, you know, and last one out, cut off the lights. And what I think what helps private sector companies, especially if they’re developing products, have said, you have an r&d arm, don’t you? And they Oh, yeah, we have research and development. Well, for chambers, your research and development is positioning the region for the future and putting the building blocks in place. I said, if your r&d went away, you’d be selling the same product over and over, you’re always looking to improve. And that begins to help people wrap their brains around. Okay, this is forever work. This is a long game. And the other beauty I just shared earlier, we went to Boston with 100 leaders, is get your leaders out to other metro markets that have like opportunities and challenges. So they can see the kind of work they’ve done. And then we come home and people say, hey, we saw how they did that in Boston, we can do that. Or they come home and say, wow, they had a big miss, we can really learn from that. So when we tackle a like issue, we don’t make the same mistakes. The other beauty of that trip is that you think all the leaders in your community know each other and kind of have a comparable set of aspirations. They don’t know. So when you get 100 people together that are having lunch and dinner and some staying up till college late hours, getting to know each other better. They come home aligned. You know, a lot of this is about not only what you’re tackling, but its alignment, and persistence. So that annual trip kind of says, Okay, we’ve gotten to x with high speed bus lanes. So we’re gonna go look at somebody that’s either built them all the way out, or maybe they have light rail. So again, it’s I call it staying 20% dissatisfied. Yeah, never, never 100% satisfied. that you have to continually prod the region to achieve at a higher level. Part of the challenge to Brandon is that, you know, I’ve been in places that are BB plus communities, it’s hard to get a BB plus to an A, it’s really easier to take a C or a D and pop it up to an A, because people feel the threat. They feel the need for collaboration and alignment. You know, when you’re a B plus, you’re kind of fat and happy. Right? Do we really need to be in a

Brandon Burton 30:33
you’re too comfortable? Any adjustments? Yeah.

Bryan Derreberry 30:37
And that’s when we say there are 396 other mshs in this nation, that one our employers and they want our talent. So yes, we need to be in a

Brandon Burton 30:45
Yeah, that’s I love that point. And that being the 20% just satisfied it. Yes. Always, always looking for that room to improve. I love that. salutely. So and I’m sure this answer will vary. But as there are different committees and whatnot on these different topics. You had mentioned doing these leadership visits to other cities, which I think is awesome. It’s a great way to look at a certain topic and how a city that you may aspire to be like and in certain aspects that I see great value in that. As far as the nitty gritty, the day to day. How often do some of these committees meet as a monthly? Is it weekly? Is it quarterly? Are they all different? Depending on what it is? How do you? How do you say that in your community?

Bryan Derreberry 31:32
There, at least monthly, if not twice a month. And we’re big believers, our board this year will have had 10 board meetings and 10 executive committee meetings. You know, I hear people say, Oh, we you know, chamber champions. I apologize if I’m stepping on toes. Oh, we do a quarterly. Okay, these kinds of issues. If you do a quarterly and somebody misses a quarterly meeting, they miss half a year. Yeah. Okay. We call that creating a drumbeat. Whether it’s committees that are working on policy, or programs or initiatives, or executive committee and board. If you lose the drumbeat within your organization on key issues, you’re not going to be able to move fast enough to make a difference. Well, they’re all busy people. And I’m gonna give you a great example. Brandon, we tried to go to every other month when I was in Wichita, and the board rebelled. That’s a cool message. Yeah, one I’m meet monthly. So I think sometimes, yeah, it’s a lot of work. We have an amazing executive ops team. And it’s a lot of work to do 20 meetings a year with, you know, large lead volunteer bodies. And it’s the work we signed up for.

Brandon Burton 32:58
Absolutely. And it’s that forever work as it’s that forever work.

Bryan Derreberry 33:03
And, you know, the the thing we talk about is, and I just met with our exec ops team yesterday, and they’re incredible. And we said, our goal is to create an experience for every volunteer that has never been met or matched in our metro area, from knowing about their family, their names, their interest, and taking care of them. So when it comes time for one of them to be an officer, or to lead a committee or to get more of their people engaged Hekia I’m going to deal with the Charleston Metro Chamber. And so that that kind of intentional focus. And that’s why we sold out that trip to Boston in record time. And we don’t want to take 200 people, you know, we’re kind of like 100 Yeah, you know, if you get over 100, you start to have a three ring circus, and they don’t bond the same way. Yeah. But that that internal clock for us? It’s kind of like a metronome. How are we honoring them and engaging them. So they think I’ve never had a volunteer experience like this. Because let’s face it, we are battling for their time, talent and treasure, there are 4600 non enough for profits, and just the greater Charleston area. You know, as your communities get bigger, that’s probably 15,000 20,000 25,000. So it’s pretty rarefied air to get top leaders. The other thing we do a little bit different because we are really committed to the ENI is that we don’t have to have the the gal or the guy in the corner office. A lot of organizations just say, Oh, I only want the CEO or the president. Right. Well, we’ll say is give me number three, or number four, that will be that CEO and president in 10 to 15 years Yeah, so we can have the level of gender ethnic, racial diversity on our board that reflects our community. It also makes us a lot more healthy from an organizational standpoint,

Brandon Burton 35:13
and possibly more time to give to the purpose and the cause that you’re working on to always go for the number one, they’re going to be some of the busiest people. Not that the number three or four is not busy, but they’re able to work it in a little bit more and build that future along with you. So you’ve hit on some really awesome points in our discussion here. If you were to try to condense down to maybe a tip or an action item for chamber champions listening that want to take their chamber up to the next level, what would you put out there and suggest for them to consider

Bryan Derreberry 35:53
my greatest tip would be pick one to three things in become an expert. And that that’s going to weave right back into what we’ve been talking about Brandon, you’ve got to be committed to do it long term. So let’s say you pick developing a pipeline from your high schools and middle schools for your top two or three business sectors just know front side that that’s going to be 15 to 25 years. Think what we learned during the pandemic, because it was probably a sharing experience for every chamber and business member Association in our nation is that it was the meaningful work that maintained our most significant investors. It wasn’t the business after hours, it wasn’t the networking events. It was they could look at the chamber. And the chamber in our metro area got together with the council of governments and other stakeholders. And we created a whole reopening strategy for our metro marketplace. We met every day at four o’clock, Monday through Thursday for almost six months to get the region opened again. I felt like I had a whole new family. And sometimes it got irritating. But I wouldn’t have traded that we build bonds between organizations and governments that we never had before. So that would be my tip be be substantive, be relevant. And we use a term I think it’s the you know, if you were to ask me the the Chamber’s magic power, our secret sauce, we use a term called seine center, sa N E. Your chamber, chamber champions can be the same center on these issues, you can bring parties together. And whether it’s workforce development, whether it’s diversity, equity, inclusion, whether it’s housing attainability, whether it’s infrastructure solutions, whether it’s recruitment and retention of either businesses or employees, you can be the organization that brings all the parties together, that need to be aligned to do the work. That to me is what a chamber really is. Our mission statement is initiate advocate and empower the region to produce a prosperous business environment. And it’s a little different than a lot of chambers. Because they flip business environment in a region, we know that our region has to have the ingredients that are aligned to make employers, employees and citizens successful. So look at the region as your laboratory, look at your county as your laboratory. If you’re a City Chamber, look at your city as a laboratory, and find those one to three things that really need to be worked on. That would be my greatest encouragement. And and when you do it, you’re gonna get real popular real fast. So you’re gonna have to learn how to say no, yeah. That’s right, because let’s say this camera does such a good job on developing those middle and high school talent pipelines for industry. We wanted to do this now. We wanted to do that. So I think the other thing is to when you do those annual partnership calls, as I mentioned to you, we didn’t come back with 50 Things came back with probably five to seven things that every employer is focused on. So you know, stick to those critical realities, and and go deep and do a great job. And then when it comes renewal time and recruitment time, somebody will say, Oh, yeah, that chamber. They really have the best interest of the business. Unity in our region in mind, they’re worth investing in. So that would be my do stuff that matters and do it. Well.

Brandon Burton 40:09
I love that. So the question that I mentioned at the very beginning that that we would circle back to towards the end is how do you see the future of chambers and their purpose going forward?

Bryan Derreberry 40:21
I’m bullish, I think about what’s occurred over the window is what we’re in pandemic endemic, the past two, three quarters of a year, and I know for our chamber just to bring it home to right here, we look totally different than when we entered. We have a set of members, a set of stakeholders, a set of raving fans in the community, because of how we opened up our organization, for allowing us to assist anybody that needed help. And that that runs a little counter to the the typical Oh, we only help members. Well, when when your community is facing what we’ve all faced. During the pandemic, you help everybody you can help. And you make again, choices. So we look very different today, we look more open to diverse partners, diverse audiences. And we’re working on stuff a lot of chambers, you know, 20 years ago, maybe if you were in a major metro community, you were doing DNI, but I think chambers are going to be leaders for their regions, excuse me. And the years ahead, unlike any other time, I think that the credibility of the chamber when they tackle those issues, even if they’re not successful, and they’re going to be successful in the vast majority of instances. I think there’s a caring tone and tenor and a level of respect by leaders saying, Yeah, we need a rallying point. And I think I think it’s changed. And if your your chambers worth its salt, it’ll step into that opportunity and, and really make a big difference. SOT I’m very excited for the future. However, I do believe one of the things we continually learn is that it can’t, it can’t be all about the fun stuff. Right. And I mean, there are, somebody said to me, how many organizations in your community do networking events, somewhat goods? Probably all 46 months? not for profits? Yeah. So yes, do we have strong programming? We do. We do. But we’re probably one of the communities leaders for providing professional development programming. We have the six different leadership types of offerings. So we know right now, as you well know, in your market, Brandon, attracting and retaining talent is the number one business issue. So again, always making sure your chamber is plugged into what’s relevant, and then providing it with the highest level of expertise you can undertake. And if you’re small, don’t let that slow you down. You’ve got people in your membership. You’ve got volunteers and members that can come alongside of you, and build out the type of programming that you need. That’s one of the powers of small communities is that they can really rally that type of asset set and make it work. So I’m excited. I’m, you know, I think that chambers have always been amazingly relevant. We celebrate a little birthday next year. Yeah. Yeah. We’re gonna be 250 years old. Wow. That we’re the we’re the oldest continuing operating chamber in America. So founded three years before our nation became a country. I’d say we’re in it for the long game.

Brandon Burton 44:13
Yeah, doing that forever work. I love it. So I’d love for you to be able to share some, any contact information for listeners who might want to reach out and connect with you and learn sure but as you’re doing there in Charleston,

Bryan Derreberry 44:27
it’s it’s a really easy, bderreberry@charlestonchamber.org.

Brandon Burton 44:43
That is perfect. And I’ll get that in our show notes for this episode, too. So if somebody always,

Bryan Derreberry 44:48
always happy to talk this profession, and you know, I think your question Brandon on the future is that many chambers are at an inflection point. Mm. But there were ways that they used to do things and things that used to matter. And the inflection point is some of those still have value. The greater value though is marshaling the the leaders and assets of your community and aligning them and doing significant work. So we’re at that neat juncture, so many chambers have already crossed over. And if anybody wants to talk about the both the rewards and the pitfalls, because it’s hard when you enter into a new area of work. And also there are ways to enter in that you can have some immediate victories and set yourself up for long term success.

Brandon Burton 45:47
Yeah, I think that’s important to be able to have that encouragement going along that, that you are going in the right direction. So I love that. Bryan, I appreciate you spending time with us today on chamber chat podcast, providing, you know, great vision and insight for chamber champions listening. I’m sure everyone got a lot of value out of this. But thank you for being a part of the program today. I appreciate it.

Bryan Derreberry 46:13
Well, I love you championing our industry. I believe so greatly in the work that I see peer organizations and colleagues do across the country and America is great because of great chambers. So thank you for being an advocate.

Brandon Burton 44:58
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