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Bowling Green Area Chamber-2023 Chamber of the Year Finalist with Ron Bunch

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Hello, Chamber Champions. Welcome to Chamber Chat Podcast. I’m your hosts Brandon Burton. And it’s my goal here on the podcast to introduce you to people and ideas to better help you serve your Chamber members and your community. You’re joining us for a special episode as part of our 2023 ACCE Chamber the Year Finalist Series.

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Our guest for this episode is Ron Bunch. Ron is the President and CEO of the Bowling Green Area Chamber of Commerce a five star accredited chamber, which has been invited to apply for Chamber of the Year by ACCE for nine of the last 10 years, making it to the finalist stage five of those years. You can see so or listen to some of Ron’s past appearances on chamber chat podcast and episodes 24 and 182. But since Ron has joined the Bowling Green Area Chamber of Commerce, their community has announced over six and a half billion dollars in capital investment and more than 12,050 new jobs. Bowling Green has been ranked in the top six nationally by site selection magazine for the top 10 metros for new new and expanding facilities for populations under 200,000 for 10 consecutive years, including number one overall in 2018 and win three consecutive Matt Conway awards from site selection magazine, which recognize the team as a top 20 economic development organization in the country for their performance in 2020, 2021 and 2022. In 2022, the community announced its second largest project in the history of Kentucky, a $2 billion in 2000 jobs.

Ron, I’m excited to have you back with us today on Chamber Phat podcast. And first of all, congratulations to you and your team has been selected as a Chamber the Year finalist again, I’d love for you to say hello to all the Chamber Champions who are listening and share something interesting about yourself so we can all get to know you a little better. Oh, great.

Ron Bunch 3:50
Thank you so much for allowing me to be on here. And I really do appreciate this opportunity. We’ve been very blessed as a chamber and a community. And so thank you for having us on and talk about that. But I’m not that interesting. So let me let me see if I can get a more current thing. So both of my daughters got married last year. So two and one year and then I became a grandfather. About a month ago now for my oldest daughter just had a little girl so I got to be a grandpa so I’m excited about that.

Brandon Burton 4:22
Oh, congratulations. That’s awesome. Just start calling your grandpa Ron right. That’s exciting. So will tell us all a little bit more about the bowling green area Chamber sizes, chambers scope of work staff budget, just give us that perspective before we get into the programs that we cover in this episode.

Ron Bunch 4:45
So we’re fairly complex chamber, we actually run six different companies, our chamber part of our businesses about a $2.4 million annual budget. Got her Around 1300 partners or members, as many would call them. And we do a VOD wide variety of things with other organizations that we also run. We have a staff of about 18 to 19 people with about how you look at contract work. But we do everything from land, securing land, designing land, preparing land, building speculative buildings to the traditional things you would understand where the chamber or networking events and other activities, so pretty broad range of things, and those six organizations with six different boards.

Brandon Burton 5:38
Yeah. So in your, between that explanation, and your bio, you guys are heavy in the economic development work, which is awesome, you guys are making a huge impact there. So just for the for the listeners out there, that kind of the format that I like to do with these chamber, the year finalist interviews is I like to focus on the two programs that you included in your chamber, the your application for 2023. Maybe at just at a high level, tell us what those two programs are. And then we can circle back and dig a little deeper in both of them.

Ron Bunch 6:14
Sure, you know, and and the two different programs. One was the trans Park, which is the industrial park that we develop through the intermodal transportation authority that we run, it’s about a 2000 acre park and we landed most recently, envision in that park. Envision ASC. That’s the $2 billion 2000 job project. So we’ve talked about how we expanded the park and landed the project. The second summary was about what we’re doing with SC K, which is our region South Central Kentucky launch, which is learning about unique and new careers here. The portion of that program that focuses on eighth graders when young people are really learning their interests and aptitudes we help bring a real detailed look at what’s in the economy, what types of jobs and careers are here so that we can match that up with our interests and aptitudes greening that happens at the school level.

Brandon Burton 7:15
Awesome. Yeah, so I’m excited to dig in a little deeper on both of these kind of learn the details and maybe the origins and how you guys got to where you are now. First of all, we’ll take a quick break and then we’ll come back and dive in a little bit deeper.

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Brandon Burton 10:44
All right, Ron, we’re back. So let’s let’s go in a little bit deeper about the this trans Park project and the Envision project. You don’t that you guys attracted there. Tell us what what is the scope of this project? What were some of the origins and evolution of it to get you to where we are today with this big economic development when?

Ron Bunch 11:09
No, I appreciate that. So, you know, the beginning story really is us continuing our engagement with the public sector. The ITA, the intermodal Transportation Authority that owns the park is funded by the city in the county and we operate that public entity. And we’ve thanks to the success we’ve had, we found ourselves in a place where there was a scarcity of land that needed to be developed. And although it was during COVID, we approached the city in the county to go ahead and issue bonds so that we could acquire more property to be ready for prospect activity during COVID. And they support us with a $46 million bond issue. As we began bringing that property on our pipeline for projects was very active. We’re actually meeting with four or five different evey battery projects at the time, shortly after we were acquiring the property. And we narrowed down to our conversations with Envision. And in those conversations, we determined we needed to buy some additional property. And so we had to go back to the city and the county to get almost another $12 million of investment just to acquire the property we were going to need cite the project.

Brandon Burton 12:30
Because it was fun to go back and ask for more. Right.

Ron Bunch 12:34
They first thought we needed 25 million and ended up being 46 million, then we came back for another 12. So we have an amazing relationship that we’ve built over the years with our city and county government. So they knew the kind of return they would get. So even during COVID, when not many people were bringing the property to the market. We had their competence, and we were able to do that. So I mean, we could do probably a whole show on that that conversation how we got there. But those kind of numbers. But so now we’ve acquired the property, we’re in deep conversations with Envision, we finally put together the package to get him get them here. But in that we determined we needed around almost 60 million and infrastructure improvement. So we got with our lobbyist, and then we went directly to the legislature met with Senate and House convinced them for about $15 million dollars in road improvements. And around 43 46 million in water and sewer improvements that would position us to land the project. And through all that collaboration, we’re able to pull a project together now instead with the governor and everybody else on stage. And at that time, it became the second largest investment in the entire history of Kentucky, obviously, our largest investment in the history of laundry in Warren County. So 2 billion in 2000 jobs. And the other great news is that the way we’ve configured this site, there can be further growth. So it’s entirely possible this could be much bigger than it even is today.

Brandon Burton 14:17
So it’s great to be able to make an announcement of this big win of the financing, being able to come in the infrastructure, the improvements, the attraction of corporations coming. What is the timeline look like from when when that’s announced to you know, the hopefulness I guess, I’ve seen I don’t want to say completion, but maybe completion to this part of the vision because there’s that room to grow and continue into the future. But what’s the timeline looking like from forget best estimates?

Ron Bunch 14:55
Excellent question. So I mean, we announced that around April of last year in April 22 and the 1.6 million square foot tad is developed, steel is up skins going on building, there’ll be soon delivering equipment will have on offer somewhere around 300 individuals that come here from another country to help install the equipment. So by, you know, the December timeframe, they ought to have equipment set and be well along in their hiring so is a very fast moving project. And that’s, you know, one of the things that we’ve prided ourselves on being able to move quickly from announcement implementation, which helped us win that project.

Brandon Burton 15:40
Yeah. So what are some of the maybe the, let’s say, the coattails of the project, or some of the maybe lagging indicators or, or secondary benefits of a big project like this coming? Like you mentioned, 300 employees from another country coming to help install it? I mean, that’s hotels and restaurants and everything else. What other impact are you seeing through this?

Ron Bunch 16:05
Yes, it’s a tremendous amount of activities on both of the things you’ve mentioned, you know, I’d say we probably have about 1000 contractors there. And then you have another 300 equipment, installers come in, you know, obviously, I’ve been there, you know, a little over a year now. And so the overall impact and all the shopping all the businesses happening at our local companies, food trucks that are coming out, you know, just a tremendous amount of chamber activity and other spillover benefits and multiplier effects. But then on the other side, this industry needs a whole supply chain with it. So we’ve been courting a number of other companies that would be in our market, in order to supply and interact with this particular major project. That’s awesome,

Brandon Burton 16:53
that it’s one of those things that every community dreams of having that that big, you know, economic windfall, so to speak, of having all the jobs the, you know, the infrastructure, everything that comes along with it is such a great thing for the community. And I guess in in our audience, yeah, who people were talking to and see it that way. Have you had any kind of pushback from anybody in the community of you know, we don’t need this kind of thing? And did and how do you address any any negativity that may come with it?

Ron Bunch 17:26
That’s an excellent question. So we also run what we call the plant managers roundtable. So I do our existing business calls myself, and we host that plant manager roundtable every two months. And with that kind of ramping up of manufacturing, hiring alone, there has been some concern among other companies and being able to find talent, because, you know, in the US right, now, you’ve got to open jobs for every individual position. And so that’s been, you know, a thing we’ve had to navigate through, and helping them understand. Because many of our companies that have been here a long time, are as aware of how we build a custom talent sourcing strategy. And so it’s given us an opportunity to go back with them and help walk them through all the different pieces and parts we’ve put together to help them find and develop talent. And so it’s led to a lot of good conversations. We really haven’t had any other pushback on the other than how do we help our existing companies retain their talent and find new talent. And, you know, through some convening we’ve done our city and county are vested in about a quarter million annually, and a talent recruitment campaign that’s been ongoing for two years now. And so we’ve got many of the parts put together. It’s just growing on that success now as what we’re working on.

Brandon Burton 18:43
Yeah, that is great. Because there’s usually those those NIMBY people, right that don’t right in their backyard, and, and it sounds like those relationships have been built. And in the timings, right, everything is just developed at a rate, you know, the right cadence for this 10 fold the way it has, so congratulate,

Ron Bunch 19:00
are really excited about it, too, because we’re, we’re about 18% manufacturing in our economy, that’s, you know, at least twice the national average. So manufacturing has really embraced here, and quite a bit of that as automotive related with Corvette being located here, Holly being headquartered here, and, and other suppliers. And so having this new generation of propulsion for vehicles here in our community was something that was very welcomed.

Brandon Burton 19:29
Yeah, that’s awesome. So I would imagine that some of that workforce kind of plays in well to your STS SC K launch program as well, if I’m not mistaken. Do you want to gears over into that and tell us maybe how the two are related?

Ron Bunch 19:47
Absolutely. And actually, SEK launch. That program was instrumental in us winning this project. So it was something they cited compared to other states that made a difference in their decision to come here and That program has been great for a number of years now, we’ve actually had a hiring event, I think for four or five years now a high school hiring event. And this year, it was phenomenal. So many direct hires right out of high school. We also started a kind of somewhat related, heavy equipment program over the last year. And those first students got hired. And we had 23 students in the initial class, and every one of them got hired, we had a signing event that was extraordinary. So SEK launch has been just instrumental and all that we’re doing in the community. And really, it’s given us a different brand image in the community, because of the amount of investment and how long and how deeply we’ve been engaged with the education, infrastructure, our community, we’ve been doing, you know, making investments, I’m working on SDK launch for about 11 years now. And I’ve been here a little over 13. So it’s been awesome. Our other summary related to just a portion of that. So SDK launches really detailed, go to career program that is all day every day in every school, K through 12, in Bowling Green, and Warren County. But the one we chose to focus on was the eighth grade portion. Okay. And so with the eighth grade portion, we’ve actually hired a curriculum developer some years ago, and who came from education help us build out modules for every core sector of our economy. So we run the data on what jobs are open every month. And we use that to inform how we look at our sectors. And so she’s developed a curriculum that’s shared with not just every eighth grader in Bowling Green, and Warren County, but every eighth grader in our whole labor market. So for the first time ever, when eighth graders get assessed on their interests, and aptitudes, every eighth grader and our regional labor market, we’ll learn about careers and manufacturing careers and healthcare careers and business professional services. And then they’ll come to what this year was a two day, hands on career fair. We’ve had so many students, we had to extend it to another day. So now we have two full days. We had about 35 30/608 graders go through the event. 45 businesses, hundreds of volunteer, so it’s a big event. And just the excitement around it is is amazing. As you see eighth graders, explore a career and then see that light turned on, they get excited about a job in a career that they never even knew existed.

Brandon Burton 22:48
Yeah. So I know a lot of eighth graders out there have no clue what they want to know what a high schoolers until they get into the later part of their senior year, and reality is hitting them in the face. And they’re needing to start making some decisions. Right? So how does that with the focus on the eighth graders? Had you talked about the aptitude test and everything? But what what sort of things are playing into this to really help them catch a glimpse of what their future could look like? And what direction they’d want to go?

Ron Bunch 23:19
Yeah, I mean, the curriculum for each sector is crucial. So we are looking at, you know, how many open jobs whether they pay, what’s the pathway, you know, what positions can you get into with just a certificate, so really maps all that out for me really well. So that’s their first glimpse into really how broad the economy is, as well as the educators teaching it. And so that prepares them for what they then see. And we broken the experience up into different worlds. So there’s a world that we would call it for each of the sectors, and then that you’d have equipment and employers and so like in the healthcare sector, every eighth grader in our labor market would be able to come in and see robotic surgical unit, and, and interact with it. And so it’s that kind of hands on, they get to see law enforcement and, you know, get into the vehicle and check that stuff out. So it’s it’s very hands on, and we create a competition among the sectors where the students would get to vote, which sector they liked best. So it creates a kind of competition among the companies each year to up their game. Things that are more and more engaging for the eighth graders, because again, we want them to be excited about what they can go to and we want to create more of a poll. And then those eighth graders after they do that, they begin selecting their career pathway for the whole high school experience. And so if you have discovered, oh, wow, I really think I want to be in healthcare, then you get in that career pathway starting in ninth grade. And we’ve invested in for example, having an ambulance in the classroom and so you’re taught On the actual equipment that you will see in the field, through your high school career at your home high school. And so that’s the second part of the money we’re gonna raise beyond the 2.6 million is to put more and more of those hands on Career Exploration things in each high school.

Brandon Burton 25:17
That is awesome. And just to be able to get that that hands on experience, like, you know, how often do you hear somebody who is committed, and they decided to go to law school, maybe and then they get into for a year of practicing law and realize they hate law. Right. And they never spent any time in a law office before they got, you know, hundreds of 1000s of dollars in debt. And now they’re, they’re committed. So providing some experience when they’re young, I think is so valuable.

Ron Bunch 25:43
And I think we can all relate, you know, if you’re doing something, you have an interest and an aptitude to do, you’re going to enjoy it more. We’ve all had to do some things that maybe didn’t fit her interests and aptitudes and our careers as professional, but to find out in eighth grade, sort of how you’re wired and then be had that opened up to you at that point. And then we do I mean, you touch on that other part, we do an externship program. So we take educators into business to inform them more so that they can reach the students and help them know. But we also do a hands on career exploration for the high schoolers. So we seek to and have every high school or be in a business engagement, career exploration, in addition to the what they’re gonna get in the classroom, so they’re physically in a business during their high school career.

Brandon Burton 26:38
So I guess a question that comes up for myself is as they go along this career exploration, if at some point, they realize this really is not what I want to do, right, are they able to make that shift and somehow within the program, kind of realign with their values, and their division is awesome. Yeah, that’s

Ron Bunch 26:54
the great part about it. We’ve, through our engagement with the schools, in addition to guidance counselor’s our school that prioritize and put in place career counselors are so much better to learn during high school when it’s not going to cost you anything to switch career pathways. Yeah. And so they they’re able to work with their schools and take the lessons they have the in the credits they have gained, and then shifted over into another pathway that can get them to graduation.

Brandon Burton 27:21
All right, that’s great. Well, right, as we begin to wrap things up here, obviously, you guys are making a huge impact in your community. And that’s what what every chamber should be doing. But I wanted to see for for those listening, who are interested in taking their chamber up to the next level, what tips or action items might you have to offer to help them accomplish that?

Ron Bunch 27:45
Yes. Now, when I read the Horizon Report, I think the focus on catalytic leadership is really that the thing while it may be risk, to be out front, and actually lead change that your community needs, and then finding a way for it to connect with your business plan, we’ve found that when we take that role, which we do quite a bit, in a lot of different activities, it’s really paid dividends for our community. And it’s changed the way the committee looks at the chamber and looks to the chamber. And then we’ve been able to find ways to make that work for us financially to so that we can have a growing prospering organization, and it’s, for me, personally, it’s very rewarding to be able to do those kinds of things to do things that have not yet been created that do in fact, solve a problem for groups of people and groups of businesses.

Brandon Burton 28:43
Step in there and be a leader for change for sure. How to use as we look to the future of chambers of commerce, how do you see the future of chambers and their purpose going forward?

Ron Bunch 28:55
I think the core of what we just talked about is that the you know, for us the thing we’ve started using, because I wanted to have more of a specific approach for both chamber activities and non development activities. We use spin situation problem. And so when you interact with GE with each investor, and you’re really probing to understand, what drives your business, what do you need? What keeps you up at night? What things can we help solve, when you do it on an individual basis annually, and then you begin to aggregate those things. It’ll point out some opportunities for you. And so I think the more we do those sorts of things with our business communities in our area, then you apply that catalytic leadership to bring things to market that haven’t existed before. I think there’ll be a natural evolution to chambers and what we deliver how we look at programs and events, and that sort of thing, and it’s changed with us to our programs and events are shifting. The affinity program that we bring on are shifting and we’re getting More and more value to the investor so that they get a good return. So it’s it’s increased engagement, and it’s decreased appreciation because they know they’re gonna get something back in relation to what they’re investing in. They know that we’re going to be responsive.

Brandon Burton 30:14
Right? I think that I think that’s great. Ron, I wanted to to give you an opportunity to share any contact information for listeners who may want to learn more about the things you guys do in there and the bowling green area Chamber or anything else you touched on today, what would be the best way for someone to reach out and connect?

Ron Bunch 30:36
They’re sure the either myself or my executive vice president Meredith Rozanski. It will be ron@bgchamber.com or meredith@bgchamber.com. Anything that anybody liked to discuss that would help their organization we’d love to engage with them. So just shoot us an email. Our main line is 270-781-3200 if you want to call us, we love engaging. We’ve got some upcoming visits by other communities to look at different facets of what we’re doing here.

Brandon Burton 31:11
I’m sure you do. I’m sure that’s a you’d be a great location for a leadership trip, for sure.

Ron Bunch 31:17
Pretty nice, too. We got some Corvettes here and you can get on a track and make sure you don’t forget the visit. That’s right.

Brandon Burton 31:25
Well, Ron, I appreciate that. We’ll get your contact information in our show notes for this episode. But one I wish you and your team best of luck with chamber the year and congratulate you for all the great work that you guys were doing and really making an impact in your community. So appreciate all that.

Ron Bunch 31:42
Thank you so much. And thank you for sharing all these things so that we can all benefit from one another.

Brandon Burton 31:47
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Our guest for this episode is Heather Valudes. Heather became the President and CEO of the Lancaster Chamber in Pennsylvania in June of 2022. Having previously been the Vice President. She joined the chamber in 2011 as the advocacy director with a focus on government affairs and community impact since that time, she has continued to advance that work, while also leading events and programs strategies, and engaging the overall operations and strategic direction of the organization. Prior to joining the chamber, Heather was the Government Affairs Coordinator at the Building Industry Association where she represented them before all government bodies on issues related to the Association’s mission. Heather graduated from West Chester University in 2007 with a degree in political science and holds a Master of Public Administration degree from Westchester University. She earned her CCE designation and 2021 She was named a 40, under 40 by the Central Penn Business Journal and by ACCE and as a 2010, graduate of leadership Lancaster that Heather, I’m excited to have you with us today on chamber chat podcast, I want to say congratulations to you and your team for being selected as a chamber of the year finalist. And I wanted to give you an opportunity to say hello to all the chamber champions that are out there listening and to share something interesting about yourself so we can all get to know you a little bit better.

Heather Valudes 3:38
Sure. Well, thanks for having me on Brandon, I appreciate the opportunity to share about our work happening here in Lancaster and have an opportunity to share that with some of our other chamber friends across the country. So I always share this fact about myself because I think people find it interesting particularly because of our location. So I am half Scottish, and then half Amish. My mom was born in Scotland born and raised there and moved here when she was 14. And my dad’s father, so my grandfather was born and raised Amish. And so those are kind of the two roots of my history that bring together this kind of deep rooted history in Lancaster and then also an immigrant story as well. So it’s always a fun little tidbit. Yeah,

Brandon Burton 4:30
that is very interesting. So whenever you’re asked about an interesting fact, keep that in your pocket, you gotta get one. Well, for those who may be longtime listeners to the podcast, they may be a little bit familiar with the Lancaster Chamber and we had your predecessor Tom Baldrige on the show a couple of times. And as the format of the show, I always like to have the guests tell a little bit about their chamber just to kind of give some perspective for listeners. So if you Don’t mind just tell us about the size of the chamber staff budget scope of work, just so we know the type of chamber you are. Before we get into our discussion today.

Heather Valudes 5:09
Yeah, sure. So we are in Lancaster, Pennsylvania. So we represent a county wide chamber. We have a population here of about 550,000 people. From our chamber perspective, we have just over 1400 members, so a strong membership component there, those members represent over half of Lancaster County’s total workforce size here. So good representation and depth within our member community and our business community as well. Chamber staff team is 16 people. So you know, a mix of full time and part time there, but 16 In total, and then our budget is about $2.3 million dollars.

Brandon Burton 5:53
All right. So that definitely does help kind of set the stage for our discussion today. And typically, the way that I like to structure these chamber, the year finalist interviews is to focus much of our attention on the two programs, these submitted in your synopsis on your application for chamber the year. So maybe just at a real high level, tell us what the two programs are. And then we’ll circle back and get in a little more detail on on each of those.

Heather Valudes 6:21
Yeah, so are two programs that we submitted this year. The first one was your history is our history, celebrating 150 years of business. For the chamber, we celebrated our 100 and 50th anniversary in 2022. And we really focused the whole year on celebrating the history of business and industry in our community as well. And then our second one was on our discovering paths mentoring program. And we look at that as investing in the next generation. And so it’s a program we’ve had for many years but we’ve been doing some updates and intentional look forward with that program. So we submitted that as our second one. Very good.

Brandon Burton 7:02
Well, I’m excited to dive in deeper and learn more about both of those programs as soon as we get back from this quick break.

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Brandon Burton 10:16
All right, Heather, we are back. So as you mentioned before the break your the two programs submitted is the Your history is art history and discovering paths and mentoring program. Let’s, let’s dive in first on the on the celebration, the 150 100 and 50th year and anniversary celebration and the Your history is our history. We’ll say a campaign that you guys put on. So tell us about that and how you got the business community and community at large involved in telling stories and what all that encompassed.

Heather Valudes 10:53
Yeah, so the way we looked at it, obviously, you know, when your 100 and 50th anniversary is coming. And so we had a planning group who really helped us give thought to what did we want to do within that 100 and 50th year, because as much as it is about the chamber, reaching that milestone, that milestone wasn’t possible without the support of the business community that’s here and the leadership that came from that. And so we came up with a framework that focused on inform, entertain, and inspire. And so those were our three themes throughout the year, with inform, we wanted to share stories and information about the journey of local businesses over the past 250 years, with entertain, we wanted to create moments that really allowed people to celebrate our business community in a monumental way. And then with inspire, we wanted people to take a look at how are we reimagining business, we move forward. And so we had monthly spotlights, we had monthly kind of themes around industry, it was just, you know, a year of really lifting up those stories, with the intention to not create a whole bunch of new events around it, too. So we took what we do, and we incorporated it into everything we do, instead of creating a whole bunch of new stuff with it.

Brandon Burton 12:19
Yeah, that’s important, because I can see where it could easily become out of control where it’s like, you know, you only turn 150 years once, right? So you gotta gotta really take advantage of it. But to be able to bake it into those things you’re already doing and really put those emphasis on those areas. You talked about, inform, entertain, and inspire. How did that look like with the informing? Maybe let’s go through each aspect of that, and what that looks like as it rolled out?

Heather Valudes 12:47
Yeah. So within forming prior to the start of 2022, we created an entire historical timeline. And so on that timeline, which was it lived on our website, we gave the history of the chamber and organizations that kind of, you know, spun out from the chamber. So our leadership program, our EDC, different our tourism bureau, all of those things had once been housed at the chamber. So we told that history. But we also highlighted on that timeline 76 other businesses in our community and when they started, and so we took that from, you know, the year of our inception to 2022, and kind of highlighted these businesses along the way. We also have a quarterly magazine that comes out called thriving. So we use that to tell the stories of local businesses, almost the whole edition was it was a commemorative edition. And so we had people sharing their perspective on business history, and where they see their business going. We did a ton of stuff on social media, we that was probably like one of the main ways that we continually highlighted it was just continually lifting up those stories and sharing perspective from businesses. And then we did do some email content that was specific to the 1/50 and kind of highlighting, you know, what were we trying to celebrate within our community, and it was really about the businesses that have supported us and supported our community over the years. So did some emails around that as well. Yeah.

Brandon Burton 14:23
So I can see like the magazine is something you would have done already, but like you said, making it a commemorative issue and with a slightly different focus to highlight the celebration of 150 years and that direction. And chambers are good at doing social media posts. So it sounds like you just kind of shifted maybe more the attention went with the or the focus on those social media posts. So I can see where the intentionality came to keep doing what you’re doing, but doing it with a hyper focus on that purpose. How did that look as the entertainment part If it goes the entertain.

Heather Valudes 15:01
Yeah. So like I said, we were trying to be really intentional to not create that extra programming. I am going to highlight two that we did. And they were kind of already built in. So the first one, actually, I guess it’ll be I’m gonna highlight three that we did, that we’re already kind of built into our schedules in some ways. So the first one is our annual dinner, we hold an annual dinner every year, we’ve actually been doing that for 150 years. So we were able to celebrate our 150th annual dinner. And we had about 2400 people attend that, I would say normally, that’s between 18 102,000 So slightly elevated with that. And it was I mean, it was just a spectacular event to celebrate history in our community. At the same time, our my predecessor Tom Baldrige was retiring and I had been selected to be the president. So we got to do a transition moment for that, too, which was very fun. And so, you know, overall, we use that 150 to kind of celebrate this looking back moving forward kind of moment in history for the chamber. We then did one event that we wouldn’t normally have planned, and that was a Founders Day event that was on our actual date that our charter was made, which was July 22. So on July 22, we had an event in our building, we had an artist showcase, we asked artists to do art specific to business, we had a band, you know, we had music, all the stuff that you could do, and then some remarks from people kind of giving that historical look back and look forward as well. So our 150 If that was the only event that wasn’t already in our schedule. We also with that released a bourbon. So we made a commemorative bourbon people could purchase. And actually all of that was one donation. And when they donated to it, when they donated, they got a bottle of bourbon. But it also helped to support our Legacy Fund, which helps to provide underrepresented businesses with an opportunity for chamber membership. So a nice tie in there. And then our third one, which is already in our schedule, but we do mixer that was a bit elevated, that was held at our historical society, and we launched an edition of their quarterly magazine as well. So you know, those were the three kind of entertaining events, but we tried to work them in as much to our normal schedule as we could.

Brandon Burton 17:30
Okay, so the bourbon like, that’s one that I didn’t expect, like that’s a, that’s a unique approach, for sure. But I imagine there’s a local partnership that happened there to make that happen.

Heather Valudes 17:43
There is we have a local distillery, and so we worked with them. To create the bourbon and bottle, the bourbon, we actually got to have our team go in when they were bottling bourbon, the day that that was happening. And then we had a special label created by a local marketing firm, to go on every bottle of bourbon as well. So it was a really, it was really unique and really fun. And we got to use it in so many ways. I mean, we were able to give it out to sponsors and members, and we still have a few bottles. So from time to time, we’re still handing them out to people. But we did about 500 bottles of bourbon. So there was a lot to kind of get out the door. That

Brandon Burton 18:19
is fun and unique. So like that. And now how about that third aspect of Inspire? What are some of the examples there on how you were intentional about that? Yeah, so

Heather Valudes 18:29
our inspire element was really about that look forward. So, you know, we really focused on as we got toward the end of the year, we started talking about the next 150 and kind of what comes next. And so we wanted throughout this business leaders to feel inspired by the stories that they heard by these historical milestones, we had highlighted 114 historical milestones and spotlights throughout the year. And so we really wanted people to feel inspired by this history in our community, but then put a lens to so where are we? Where do we go with this? So we had articles that were focused on that like trends of what’s coming in different industry sectors, as we got into like, October, November, December, it was kind of this look forward. And really just, you know, it’s inspirational to think about how much business brings to a community and how much that contributes to our economy. And so how do we as business leaders, organizations, staff, people really give thought to kind of what’s next? And how does business and business leaders contribute to that? So that’s where we focus that inspire energy.

Brandon Burton 19:37
So did you have a committee that kind of drove this and did the research on the historical facts and the business history and everything to be able to present that or how did how did that organize?

Heather Valudes 19:50
So it came together in a few different ways. We did have a, an advisory group that got together and really planned theme and gave a lot of ideas around how do we deliver on time intent and get that out there. We did hire an intern in late 2021, to do a very deep dive into our newspaper archives in Lancaster County. She had a background in history and was very interested in this project. So she did a deep dive for us of just highlights not only for the chamber, but of major business milestones over the past 150 years. So we had all of that content pulled together. And then our team, led by our director of special events and partnerships, she really gave a lot of thought to okay, what are the themes we’re going to have on each month in terms of industry? And then it was really on all of us to kind of give thought to what do we know about that industry? Who do we know in that industry who might lend a unique or interesting voice, all of that type of thing. So it was guided by that advisory group, and they gave input a few different times throughout the year. And then, you know, some intern support and staff support and all of those different spaces.

Brandon Burton 21:00
Yeah, that’s great. So let’s shift gears a little bit. And we’ll we’ll change focus on on to the other program that was submitted on your application, discovering paths mentoring program. So maybe just a little bit of history with that. And you know, what, what stands out about it? And maybe some of the successes that have come out of that program? Yeah, so

Heather Valudes 21:24
our discovering pads program has actually been around for 15 years. So in some ways, it’s like, well, why was that the one that you put onto an application because you’ve had it for a long time. But what’s really been interesting about discovering pas is that we, it kind of was the same for many years, and then COVID happened, and we had to totally rethink how it was positioned moving forward. We couldn’t execute it in the same way we could pre COVID, certainly in 2020 2021, and even parts of the school year that were in the early part of 2022. And so we had to think about what does that look like, because the program’s intention is to bring together 150 juniors in high school and match them in a one to one pairing with a mentor in the community. Up until the close of this year’s program, the program has been broken by young men, and then young women. And so one of the things that we were hearing from feedback pretty routinely was that it felt limiting and that the boys were getting different experiences than the girls. It felt like we there were more students who were interested than we could actually have into capacity. So we used the 2020 to 2023 school year as a real test of some concept and thinking through how do we move this program forward. And we looked at piloting in an individual school setting. So allowing one school to have an entire grade level do the program. It looks a little different than our traditional mentoring program had where we had that one to one relationship, we went to one mentor to three students. But we really piloted a lot to think about how do we evolve this program into the future. And so discovering pas, though just give students such a great opportunity to learn about the careers that are available in our community, and gives them exposure to that over the course of nine different sessions that they do with their mentor and mentee. So we’re gonna keep the foundation’s but evolvement moving forward.

Brandon Burton 23:32
Yeah. So with this being the first year that I guess, evolved platform of integrating the boys and girls together and the different ratio of interns of students, what kind of feedback are you seeing through it? And any, any lessons learned? Any, anything that really stands out to you through that process?

Heather Valudes 23:55
Yeah, I mean, it’s been interesting, I think one of the things that we found is that at the core of the program, what students love is one of the programs focuses on them completing a DISC profile, and a values index. And so the students love that ability to explore themselves, you know, typically, these are tools that we’re using, once you’re further into adulthood and career. And so for the, for the students to have the opportunity to to really dive into a session where an expert on those tools is talking with them about what that tells them about themselves and where their interest areas are. That’s always a highlight for the students and that’s regardless of, you know, program and gender and that type of thing. That’s a really, they really enjoy that program. The other piece that we really focus on is ensuring that every student has access to to Job shadowing. And so that’s another area that’s been consistent across both programs is they they do need to complete to job shadows as a part of the experience. What we found is You know, and I think this is just kind of traditional mindset of it was we used to take the young men to like the College of Technology where they would see carpentry and plumbing and those types of skills. And the young women would go to the college health sciences, for nursing and those types of things. And now we’re saying, No, the young women are going to go to the trade programs, and they’re going to see those careers, and they’re going to see those skills. And we’re really intentional to think about who are the speakers that are there so that we ensure that they’re hearing from women that have done this before them, and that the men are hearing from women that are in these fields about what their experience feels like, and vice versa? So, you know, there’s a lot of intentionality to kind of who who do we pick even to speak at them to talk about those dynamics, and why some of those dynamics have changed, and that there’s a lot of good feedback around the idea that, you know, we’re going to have this as incorporated and that there’s not going to feel like there’s this barrier point of access to a type of career that might have traditionally been in place.

Brandon Burton 26:05
So what is the involvement look like from the students from those those high school students? Are they is there an excitement to get involved with it? Are some coming along reluctantly, because they have to? Or how do you, how do you build that excitement and make it be a good experience for them all.

Heather Valudes 26:23
So our best recruiting tool is always the other students, when we have students who go through the program and go back and tell their friends at school, like, Oh, I got to do this program, or I got to have this really cool experience. That’s, that’s a huge part of the recruitment. What’s interesting is we do try to save the schools that this program is going to be more geared at the student who maybe is not as defined on what their career choices. So oftentimes, you have students in high school who really are like, I know what I want to do, I want to go be an accountant. And so if you’re that defined, this program may not be as interesting or of service to that student, because it’s really about kind of what’s out there in this community. Or, I’m really interested in finance, and I don’t know how I want to put that into place, this program could be good for that, because you’re gonna get to see so many different industries over the course of time, and give thought to Oh, yeah, you’re right, like that manufacturing shop does have somebody who’s doing their accounting in house or whatever it may be. So if somebody’s really defined, it’s probably less valuable for that student. But we create a lot of excitement, particularly for the students who are maybe not as defined. We work with school facilitators to do that. And then we also do info sessions with students.

Brandon Burton 27:43
Okay. Although I would, I would say you gave that example of accounting, if somebody knows they want to be an accountant, that the job shadowing is so important to be able to do that and say, you know, this either bores me out of my mind, or yes, this is exactly what I want to do. So it gives that confirmation and really helps them kind of weed out that process before you have too many sunk costs. Yeah, went through schooling and everything. So I see your way.

Heather Valudes 28:10
Yeah, cuz I mentored a few years ago. And that exact scenario actually happened to my mentee, she was dead set that she wanted to be a police officer. And then went through the program. And you know, I was very supportive of that she noble career, all that type of thing. But when she actually job shadowed, she job shadowed with a probation and parole officer, and then also with a police officer. And by the end of it, she was like, I don’t want to actually be a police officer anymore. I want to go more to that side of probation, parole, social service element side of things. So it was an interesting, like transition, even for her of, you know, everybody has a pretty clearly defined picture of what being a police officer is, yeah, doing it, seeing the job. And then seeing what’s like adjacent to it really changed how she thought about where she wanted to go with it. So it’s always really helpful for the students.

Brandon Burton 29:08
So I actually have a 17 year old right now. So he just finished his junior year going into senior year. And it’s that age where they know everything, right? So they may know what they want to do as a career and without that experience to open their eyes and realize, okay, maybe I don’t know everything. And there’s other opportunities out there. I think there’s a ton of value to that program. Well, Heather, as we start to wrap things up here, I wanted to ask if they’re for a chamber listening who would like to take their organization up to the next level? What tip or advice might you share with them to help them accomplish that?

Heather Valudes 29:47
Yeah, so you know, I thought a little bit about this one before Brandon, because I think there’s so many kinds of tips for how you achieve that. I would say I have two that come to mind. So the first one is real. really utilizing the feedback that you receive, I mean that that’s been so critical to us as we think about things like our mentoring program, like even our 100 and 50th. You know, it, sometimes the feedback can sting a little bit, and it can feel a little bit like, Oh, that wasn’t our intention there. But really using that as an impetus to start to question like, is this the way we want to do it? Is this the way we want to think about it, you know, I think it’s critical to use the feedback that you receive, that’s constructive. And, and then start to bounce that with groups, like people who are willing to engage in that discussion around really moving something forward. For our discovering pads program, even we had had volunteers that were with it for a long time, and they really struggled with what change was going to look like. And so for some of them, we had to say that it might be time to step away, because we need to really think into a different space. And, you know, we hope you can come with us on that journey. But getting that feedback, and then finding the right people who want to build it with you, I think are, you know, kind of two of those key pieces for me. The other one is, you know, I’m a big supporter and proponent of ACC, I think I get so many good ideas, my team gets so many ideas, I have so many people on our staff that are really engaged with it. And through that the ability to hear about other ideas happening in other communities are just critical. I mean, you know, it is that kind of rip off and duplicate and figure out what works for you and what works for your community. But we are a community that shares a lot of ideas, because there’s often not a ton of overlap in our geographical areas. So I’m always a big proponent of like, talk to the other people with the ideas in the unique.

Brandon Burton 31:42
Yeah, no, that’s, that’s very true. It’s always great to learn from each other. And that’s, that’s why this podcast exists. So we can all learn from each other and make each other better, better. But Heather, as we look to the future of chambers of commerce, how do you see the future of chambers and their purpose going forward?

Heather Valudes 32:04
So I think you’ve probably heard me say it a little bit, even in just kind of how our chamber is touching where we’re at. So chambers have such a rich and steep history of what we do and how we’re of service to the community and how our businesses work with us. And, you know, rely on chambers and, and there’s activities that I think chambers will always be engaged in that we’re uniquely positioned to do that advocacy space, thinking about that larger economy, thinking about the role that business plays. And I think chambers have such a unique position. Because we do get to be seen center, we get to, like, we get to hear more, and actually use that in a way that I think is oftentimes constructive for our communities. But as we look forward, I do think there’s kind of, you know, just changing dynamics. And so for the ability for chambers to be agile and receptive to what their community wants them to do and what they’re hearing from their community, that ability to say we’ve had something for a long time, can we look at it differently? Can we think about it differently? What impact does that have for us, I think that’s how we’re going to advance that. That ability to really say, let’s take a look at our own practices, let’s take a look at our own efforts, even if they’ve been around for a long time and start to change them in a constructive way for our community that, you know, invites people into the table and really looks forward. Our theme this year was boldly moving forward. And so you know you come off of your history as our history and then go into this boldly moving forward concept. And as much as chambers, I think can live into that space. That’s a space we get to own for our for our organizations, but for our broader business communities. And I think businesses are looking for that every day.

Brandon Burton 33:56
Right? Goes back to the utilizing the feedback that you receive, right to be agile and make those pivots where you need to. Yep. Well, Heather, I’ve enjoyed having you with us on the podcast. today. I wanted to give you an opportunity to share any contact information for listeners who might want to reach out and connect with you and learn more about how you guys are doing things say are in Lancaster, what would be the best way for them to reach out and connect?

Heather Valudes 34:23
Yeah, so my direct line at the office is 717-696-6255 And then my email address is hvaludes@lancasterchamber.com.

Brandon Burton 34:44
That’s perfect and we’ll get that in our show notes for this episode so people can look that up and reach out and connect with you. But I appreciate you sharing your in these insights and that these areas of focus on your guys’s work is you are standing out above the crowd is a chamber of the year were finalists and and as we talked before we got on the on the air for the second time in three years, so that’s something to be proud of as well. So congratulations and wish you guys the best of luck is chamber the year.

Heather Valudes 35:14
Thank you so much. I really enjoyed the opportunity Brandon.

Brandon Burton 35:18
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Our guest for this episode is Betsy Gardner Eckbert. Betsy was raised in Winter Park, Florida, where she came full circle in January 2017 to become the president and CEO of the city’s Chamber of Commerce. She’s focused on innovation and closing the relevancy gap to modernize the organization earning the 2018 chamber Innovation Awards grand prize. Previously in 2009, she moved her family to London, England, where she became Director of Business Development for a mentor consulting limited a UK consulting firm advocating for gender diversity at the board level. She would go on to co found an International Children’s luxury brand of UV protected swimwear long wave apparel limited that was marketed in 14 countries. Building a successful career after taking several years off to raise her two children led Betsy to create relaunch career reentry for professional women at the Chamber of program with more than 100 graduates, many of whom have rejoined to the workforce. In April 2022. The Winter Park Chamber of Commerce released its prosperity scorecard, and ESG embedded scorecard with a commitment to values beyond simply the financial bottom line. Betsy is a graduate of the University of Florida where she was named the 1991 outstanding female leader and has been inducted into the school’s Hall of Fame. She was also a previous guest on Chamber Chat Podcast back on episode 66. For any of you who want to go back and listen to that episode again. But Betsy, it’s a pleasure to have you back with us on chamber chat podcast, I’d love to give you an opportunity to say hello to all the Chamber Champions that are out there listening and to share something interesting about yourself so we can all get to know you better.

Betsy Gardner Eckbert 3:55
Well, Brandon, thank you so much for having us and for giving us an opportunity to highlight the work we do that serves the Winter Park community and boast a little bit about the dedication of our team to enhancing the quality of life and business in Winter Park. I really appreciate having this opportunity. And I was reflecting on how much better the conditions are meeting with you today than they were back in the early days of the pandemic where I did a podcast with you from my kitchen, a place I thought I’d be working from for two weeks, which spanned into about four or five months. So we’ve really come a long way since then I’m grateful for the opportunity to be doing this from my office and having a more business like climate for responding to these questions. You know, I think an interesting fact about me is one that my mother hated. And that is a back in in 1999 I took a six week leave of absence from my job and I hiked the Appalachian Trail which my mother described as an unladylike thing to do. Because I was basically living in the woods for six weeks, but it was a really transformational journey for me. I brought a lot of focus into my life, and I was able to move on with intention into the next chapter. But it also taught me a lot about how things don’t go to plan. What happens when you gotta hike through the rain, and when you can’t find the campsite, you’re supposed to find or setting things up in the dark or getting blisters, how you work through and push through some of that stuff has been really helpful for me moving on in through my life. So yeah,

Brandon Burton 5:31
that is really interesting. In the Appalachian Trail, it definitely builds character and a lot of people who spend any time on it. So that is, that’s fantastic. I think that’s awesome. You took that time to do that. I’d love to hear more. But why don’t you tell us a little bit more about the Winter Park chamber just to give us an idea of the type of chamber you are the size staff budget scope of work you guys are involved with and kind of go from there to set the table for our discussion.

Betsy Gardner Eckbert 5:56
So Winter Park is one mile from the Orlando city line. So that city line is one mile from my office. So we we have we use the Orlando airport we shop at Orlando malls, we drive on Orlando Roads, we’re very much integrated into the Orlando MSA. But Winter Park itself is a 29,000 person community spanning nine square miles. However, we are a $4 billion a year economy. And a lot of that is driven by our top industries health care, higher education we have to higher education institutions within the city of Windsor Park. We have financial services, professional services, real estate, restaurant retail are some of the biggest players in our economy. And what’s interesting is that we’ve got about $130,000 of gross regional product per worker in our economy. So it’s a very robust engine. Even though we’re small, we’re mighty, because primarily a lot of Central Florida CEOs live and to some degree work in Winter Park. So what we lack in size, we make up for an influence. And we’re awfully proud of that. You know, one of the other things to frame for our listeners today is that, you know, our job growth has been 10% over the past five years, which has outpaced the nation by almost 7%. And so what’s happening in our community is a real window into the explosive growth that’s going on in the region. And the wraparound problems that come with explosive growth are ours to solve. So that’s a little snapshot of what we have going on here in Winter Park.

Brandon Burton 7:35
Oh, that’s fantastic. I think he just energized everybody to think how can we be like Winter Park, right? He hasn’t done a great, great work. What

Betsy Gardner Eckbert 7:42
I what I didn’t say is that we’re a category two competitor, which means that we’ve got 15 people on our staff about seven FTEs. And we’ve got a $1.2 million operational budget annually.

Brandon Burton 7:55
All right, that’s perfect. So typically, the way I like to structure these chamber, the or finalist interviews is to really focus on the two programs that you guys submitted on your chamber, the your application. So what I’d like to do is, is have you tell us at a high level what the two programs are, and then we can dive into each of them a little bit more in depth.

Betsy Gardner Eckbert 8:18
So program, one is our relaunch program, which you referenced in my bio, but not just that we started it, we underwent an enormous transformation in the way we delivered that program. And that was to move it from a five session of four hours in length each session live delivery to an online delivery, which we began beta testing in late 20, moving into 21. And then we made the actual launch of the kind of this official model and 2022 was our online platform for delivery, which meant that so much of the curriculum had to be moved to self starting work at home and homework that would come back to our sessions online. We started beta testing this during COVID, naturally, because we couldn’t meet live and in person. And we were concerned that we there was going to be a kind of loss of emphasis or focus or impact to what we were teaching and presenting when we moved to an online model. More importantly, we thought that there was going to be a deterioration of the safe space that’s created for our participants who are struggling with confidence gaps is the reason why they’re not really approaching the job market. And if we don’t have some kind of vulnerability and authenticity in the unpacking of these confidence gaps, we’re not going to help these women close them. So we were concerned moving to an online format would be two dimensional, and it wouldn’t have a sense of togetherness that we had created so well in the classroom. And we were ably served by our vice president of programs, who used her significant get an understanding of program delivery, certainly online delivery and how adults learn to help us create a model that not only worked but exceeded the one that we were delivering before. And we got higher engagement from the women in the class because we mandated Facebook group participation. So people are now connecting to each other for coffee in between classes, and they’re sharing, you know, vulnerabilities and struggles and strengths. They’re sharing when they get hired to be an inspiration to the other people in their class. And so and that lives on those Facebook groups live on and they’re private, of course. So we’re really proud of the way that that that has delivered on our core promise to the people that take the class. But what we hadn’t realized was that we were going to start creating regional and national impact with this program. And, you know, when I came into this role, over six years ago, the board asked me to turn my focus and the focus of our staff to a more regional focus, instead of this parochial Winter Park nine square miles focus, we don’t live, you know, they’re not borders that are sealed off here commercially, or otherwise. So we’ve got to live regionally. So when we offered the class online, we started getting people from all over Florida taking it. And then from there, we actually moved into I think it’s five states total that we’ve delivered the program to now. And chambers over the years have come to us and said, Hey, can you help create this class for us to use and actually, unintentionally we did, by making it available through this online learning platform. So now it’s open to anyone who wants to do it, we do an application process to make sure there’s a good fit for this program, because what I will say is that there are well meaning people who realize that we’ve created an amount of networking, capital, and social capital in this program that people want to take advantage of that don’t quite fit the profile of the woman who’s been staying home with children. And so we want to make sure that we’re filtering for that and filtering for professional women who are well educated about 45% of our participants have advanced degrees, that means Master’s or, or doctorates, who, if you can imagine, are struggling with a confidence gap and failing to re approach the job market because of that. So we desperately need their talent in Winter Park, because our job growth is outpacing our population, which is creating strain on our infrastructure and otherwise, and so we we need these talented women to come back to work. It’s a workforce solution that meets the needs of our community. Because there’s enormous demand for degreed, highly sophisticated, polished professionals to serve in the types of jobs that we have in this community.

Brandon Burton 12:50
Yeah, so there are I love so much about this program. One is it, it was something you had started before the pandemic happened. So you have the in person model, you’re kind of, you know, your hand was forced a little bit to reinvent and reimagine what this could look like. So as you compare the old structure to the new structure, I’m sure there’s things that have stood out to you. But what are some of those main takeaways that you see with with moving to the structure being online?

Betsy Gardner Eckbert 13:18
Well, I think it gives. So one of the things that we say to the women who take our classes, we are not going to find a job for you, we’re not going to take the thrill of that away from you. We’re going to teach you exactly how to do it yourself. And then you’re going to feel the pride and satisfaction of knowing you did this on your own. So I think when we shifted the model to have more homework based and less, no one’s going to sit on Zoom for four hours, right? I mean, maybe somebody will, but I don’t know who those people are anymore. So we want to make sure that we’re using our zoom time incredibly preciously. Because it’s very hard to keep adult learners engaged on a zoom platform. And we know that so what we’re trying to do is make sure that you know, we’re doing the the work of, of the women teaching each other what they need to learn in that platform. And we play the role of sophisticate, I’m sorry, a facilitator, and teacher. But what I will say is, having the work shift at home, gives them an even greater sense of ownership of the process, which I think is an as a consequence, we couldn’t have anticipated when we did that. And then I also think they’re getting the opportunity to we make them present a vision board on a video and put it into this Facebook group. And we make them basically interview online, which for many people is going to be their first entree into a career search experience. It’s a zoom interview or a recorded interview. So we make them present themselves on Zoom. And we make them present themselves in recorded videos where they’re presenting who they are, what they’re about, which are actually strategically advantageous to our candidates because they’re probably going to have to do that in the real A world. Now these are technophobes because they’ve been at home. That’s one of the greatest divides between women who are in and out of the workforce is they feel that there’s some big technological boogeyman, that that is going to make it impossible for them to return to work. So when we close those gaps by presenting the recorded interview that is recorded on your phone, or we do the Zoom based interviewing, they no longer have those fears. And they’re much more likely to re approach so that that was one of those sort of unintended consequences that we found that we get asked all the time, when are you moving this back to live? And the answer is never, because it’s much more powerful to deliver it this way. And we’re getting a better result. So with intention, we’re keeping it this way. And it’s really funny, because you know, they only see me on Zoom. And then we’ll end up having live events, because we do recall events with our community, we’ll get together for kind of what we call after care events, they’re, they’re called power ups will bring in alumni and prospective women to come and have hear a topic about something like the imposter syndrome or topics that are relevant to this population. And when they see me for the first time, it’s like they’re seeing somebody from TV, and I’m like they’ve never been in person. So it’s really interesting, that dynamic, but what I do love is that the groups that are forming in these classes have got a greater sense of authenticity and connectedness, because they’re doing shorter touches more frequently on their Facebook group, we just had one get on Fourth of July and was wish everybody Happy Fourth of July, their class ended three months ago. So they’re still very much in touch. And the powerful thing is, when one of them gets a job, it’s role modeling for the rest of the people that get jobs, because it usually takes about six months after our class for them to get hired, on average. So it’s really that’s a really powerful consequence. Yeah.

Brandon Burton 16:52
So I think one of the other things you had mentioned about being intentional about this program is that it’s about building that confidence, or rebuilding the confidence in these women who’ve been out of the workforce for so long. And I see where the online platform, it removes some barriers, where they may not have the confidence to show up to an in person, you know, the seminar event kind of situation. But when it’s online, it the threshold is a lot less to get involved. But then there’s more of a stickiness factor that kind of keeps you in there as well. So I’m sure there’s been examples of that, that you’ve seen people coming out, or maybe just more registrants. And and so maybe talk to that and and also talk about how you broadcast this to the women in your community to attract them to the program.

Betsy Gardner Eckbert 17:37
So I really love that you seized upon that, because we we say internally, we measure our success with relaunch in tears, for a woman to come to grips with her competence gap is inherently vulnerable and sometimes terrifying. Maybe it’s a sad process, you know, not all of the women that go through the program are undergoing a fracture in their marriage, but some of them are, and they’re coming to grips with some really painful features of their lives. And so when they can come to us and unruly, sit with that, and kind of let it wash over them and they can work through it, then they’re by the end of our five week course, ready to have the confidence to go back to the workforce. So we they cry more from their own house. So when we’re on the inverse is I didn’t like interviewing with you in my house, but I like interfacing with you in my office versus true for relaunch, they feel much more comfortable at home. And they’ll share more about what’s at the core of their competence gap, which is when the magic happens, that’s when we can really work to close it. So I think that dynamic of being able to, to feel comfortable in their home and they’re each in their homes, they’re all in a way in the most comfortable place they can be it’s private, they’re not exposed. The other piece is in the beginning. They don’t feel like they belong at the Chamber of Commerce building because they’re not in full time work or part time work. So for some of them even. And so, you know, they feel like you’ve got to be a member of the club to come to the chamber, but like you have a right to be here. What’s really interesting is that many of them report because they get member rates on our events a year after they complete our program, as they say the chamber feels familiar and comfortable to them. So they feel like they’ve got a right to come. So it removes that barrier of just physically arriving at the chamber, which I think can be intimidating to some of our participants as well.

Brandon Burton 19:32
Yeah, I think that’s great. As far as the how the program is facilitated? Is that chamber staff that facilitated is it alumni you bring back in? Is it accommodated? What does that look like?

Betsy Gardner Eckbert 19:43
Now one of the things we do is we survey every single class so we feel really confident about our delivery model and I teach every class and then our programs manager is Ashley billings, and she helps deliver the class so she’ll do all of the admin she’ll do all of the work of getting everybody there. So each week they get a PDF of their whole workbook. So we, we send them a whole workbook, which we have them get a notebook. And they are meant to print out the PDF worksheets, and fill out their worksheets from the week before and their homework packs. And so Ashley does all of that connective tissue so well, and she’s kind of like their, their concierge, their captain of their ship, and they have a deep connection to her. And I just kind of shoot in and teach the class. One of the things that I think is essential is nobody wants to believe us, we tell them that we can help them. And I think if I didn’t have the authentic journey of my own 13 year career break to stay home and focus on my children and the soul crushing and arresting experience of going back to work and feeling really terrified by it. They wouldn’t they sometimes they don’t even believe me when I tell them that that I can help them right. And so I think Ashley and I are both returned to work moms. And I think if we didn’t have that journey, we wouldn’t have a secret sauce in this program. And I think they have to trust us that we can help them. Because there’s just a shockingly low level of self belief for women who’ve made the choice to stay home with their children. And this is something that’s been documented by reports by McKinsey, Morgan Stanley, this is a very big problem. Because this is what’s called the leaky pipeline for talent. And what we really can’t afford to do, it’s like losing a customer. Once you’ve paid the acquisition cost of a new customer, you don’t want to lose them once we’ve put people in a talent pipeline. And we all know how hard that is to do. And that’s core chamber work to put people in a talent pipeline, the last thing we want to do is lose them. And that’s exactly what happens with women who stay home from work. So it’s hard for us to find these women, you asked about how we find them, it’s hard for us to find them. And we have to buy Facebook ads we have to go through we do presentations at PTA meetings, we reach out to places of worship, we reach out to preschools, but the big most effective thing we do is we ask every woman who completes the class to fill her seat because they all know somebody. And when someone comes to you as a stay at home mom and says, I think this class can help you to it did this for me. That’s the most powerful way for a woman and we create the power up programs so they can come kind of check it out and see the shop window. We also have a luncheon in April every year, where we pay tribute to our woman of influence our woman of influence is a woman who’s in full time work, who has made a difference for bringing other women along in the community. And then we also are now giving our lifetime achievement award to a woman who’s probably retired but still making a significant contribution to the community. I’m pleased that we were just able to honor the former Lieutenant Governor of Florida and that way and so when we’re honoring those senior members of our community, their friends come out. And that’s when we have a graduation ceremony for the people who’ve completed the program so that our participants can meet senior women who can help catalyze career growth and promote awareness of the program.

Brandon Burton 23:21
That’s a great idea. I love it. Well let’s let’s look at shifting gears into the other program on your chamber the your application as soon as we get back from this quick break.

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Brandon Burton 26:39
All right, Betsy, we’re back. So I love everything you had to share with the relaunch program that you guys have is that focused on workforce and bringing women back into the workforce. Let’s shift gears over on to the Winter Park prosperity scorecard what that is and kind of how that came to be and what what all that it encompasses.

Betsy Gardner Eckbert 27:01
So as I spoke earlier, we’ve got tremendous pressure on our local economy that wants to grow, and is growing, but not in the way we need it to. And the kind of growth that’s happening is creating enormous strain on our infrastructure. So every time we have a municipal election, which is every year in March, we have the number one issue that rises to the top is traffic. So of course we’re sitting in this area of explosive growth, and you can expect traffic to be a problem. So if you ask people, especially retirees, what do you think is the biggest problem and Winder Park others too much traffic? Well, the reality is we’re operating a $4 billion a year GDP. So there’s a significant enterprise and Winter Park. And we have healthcare needs. We have a hospital here we have two higher education institutions and Winter Park. And there are people who need to get here. Now the reality is Winter Park has 6000 more jobs than people to do them. So how are we going to get them here, they’re going to drive and clog up our roads. So until that changes, we’re going to see a continued strain on traffic infrastructure, road infrastructure and quality of life, quite frankly. And so what we’re looking at is a holistic approach to not only managing growth, but to promoting it, and making sure that we’re taking all the factors into account that we can, as we try to deliver growth that aligns with the values of our community, high emphasis on quality of life, high emphasis on arts and culture, high emphasis on, you know, historical way of doing things. Florida is really about a 70 year old state. And actually, with the advent of air conditioning, that’s when things exploded here, obviously, right? There were bits of Florida for a very long time that still had a frontier feel to it. Now we’re experiencing our centennial this year. And that means that our chamber was founded in 1923, when margins around Winter Park were frontier feeling. And so we’ve had a sustained presence of supporting the business community here for a long time. And we have people who are committed to making sure that winter parks quality of life stays high. But that very little changes here. And so that’s a mismatch with what’s going on one square mile or one mile from our office with respect to Orlando. So we have all these strains on our community. We need to support the growth of our businesses, we need to make sure that we are driving economic growth and not just helping people fight for market share, but actually grow the pie and you do that one of two ways. The first way is you grow in population and the second is that you increase productivity. And so if we’re going to grow in pop violation to meet this delta between 6000 jobs and people, we have to use land differently. And we do not currently permit land use to allow for dense multifamily units, mixed use, that’s just not in our land use code. And so that’s put there by a group of people who are committed to making sure that we don’t have that here. So we can do what keep real estate prices high. Well, they’ve gone so high that we can afford now to welcome innovators, certainly persons of color, people who are new onto the property ladder in Winter Park, because within one year, our single family home price on average rose from $771,000 to 1 million. Wow. So that has long term consequences for our community. And we’re trying to create a and we have created an ESG embedded scorecard that looks at what are we doing with our governance models? Are we taking in people who are previously unseen? Are we making them seen in the models that we’re creating to make this a better double? Or at least triple bottom line community where we’re not just focused on? Are we all making a lot of money? But are we actually creating opportunities for the environment to thrive? Are we doing the right strategic planning to make sure that we’re taking a leadership role in the region on sustainability with respect to energy, we own our own power company. So we have a role to play there? Are we doing the kinds of things that take into account people who are previously not at the table? Again, we grow the pie by increasing population. And certainly when we increase the population of people who haven’t previously been engaging our economy, it’s a competitive advantage to pursue diverse persons to come and participate in our economy. And so that’s a strategic priority for us. And we’re working with our local government to embed these as priorities. But we can’t do that from the perspective of we’re right, and you’re wrong. So we’re trying to move past that binary system of winners and losers, where there’s always a turf war between growth and no growth, we really want to move past that we want to say, Look, these are our community’s problems. Here they are, and they’re data driven, we’re giving you the data so that you can see, these are in fact, our problems. You can’t, you can’t solve for a 6000 delta between jobs and people without creating solutions for that, that are strategic. And so that’s what this scorecard that we released last year, is designed to do is help us strategically plan for the future.

Brandon Burton 32:37
Yeah, with a city the size of yours being nine square miles, I picture it, it can very well be a master plan, community of sorts, you know, where you can go into it with intention, you have to get all the players involved on the same page to be able to present the data, say, here’s where we are, here’s the direction things are going. And here’s how we get from here to there. And to be able to facilitate and convene those people together to really take that lead as a as a chamber, and kind of chart the direction that your community needs to go to service, those needs that are there, like you had mentioned with the traffic and the workforce shortage shortages and things like that. But also looking at the housing and everything else that is tied to that. So I think it’s very forward thinking for you guys to take the lead on this. And since releasing this scorecard, what kind of feedback have you received? What kind of conversations have come out of this?

Betsy Gardner Eckbert 33:36
Well, I think it’s, it’s great, because it’s dovetailing with our centennial celebration, and we’ve been able to get a lot of engagement and a lot of community buy in from this. People are excited about it. I think it’s signaling a different kind of look from the chamber than anybody’s seen before. And we’re just really excited about the impact that it’s starting to have in our community.

Brandon Burton 33:59
Awesome, awesome. Well, as we start to wrap things up here, I like asking everyone I have on the show for listeners who are interested in taking their chamber up to the next level, what kind of tip or action item might you offer to help them accomplish that goal? Well, we’re

Betsy Gardner Eckbert 34:17
big believers in partnership. And we want to make sure that we’re always aligning with people who can make one plus one equal three, four or five instead of just two. And I think partnership is the key way to get that done.

Brandon Burton 34:30
I would agree partnerships that you can leverage a lot more of your your assets and everything by partnering together and seeing a much greater outcome than just the sum of the parts. As we look to the future of chambers of commerce, how do you see the future of chambers and their purpose going forward?

Betsy Gardner Eckbert 34:50
So I think it’s important for chambers to be problem solvers going forward. I think it’s important for us to move past the model of of kind of the coffee club. You know, we’ve got to be measuring our ROI and our outcomes. And I think that we’ve got to be anticipating the needs of our members and ideally getting there before they, they can even figure out that it’s a problem for them with a solution.

Brandon Burton 35:17
Yeah. And oftentimes that brings work with it. So you can’t be afraid to work if you’re

Betsy Gardner Eckbert 35:23
able to do that. We’ve got an incredible team here and very proud of so yeah,

Brandon Burton 35:27
absolutely. Well, Betsy, before we let you go, I wanted to give you an opportunity to share any contact information with listeners who might want to reach out and learn more about your relaunch program or how you went about the scorecard or anything else, you guys are doing their Winter Park, what would be the best way for them to reach out and connect,

Betsy Gardner Eckbert 35:44
I’m pretty easy to find at WinterPark.org. My email address is on the staff section, which is under the about tab. And also, I’m on LinkedIn. So I would love to link in with people. I’m very happy to speak to what we do here and help out in any way I can.

Brandon Burton 36:00
Very good. And we’ll get all of that in our show notes for this episode as well make it easy for people to find it. But Betsy, I am so glad we’re able to get you back on Chamber Chat Podcast, you guys are making an impact in your community doing some great work, I can tell the enthusiasm that you have for this work. And I appreciate you being with us today and sharing about these programs. And I wish you and your team Best of luck as chamber the year.

Betsy Gardner Eckbert 36:25
Thanks, Brandon, we really appreciate that have the opportunity to share what we’re doing here in Winter Park with the Chamber community. So thank you so much for the time today.

Brandon Burton 36:33
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Richland Area Chamber-2023 Chamber of the Year Finalist with Jodie Perry

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Our guest for this episode is Jody Perry. Jody has led the Richland Area Chamber and Economic Development in Mansfield, Ohio since July 2014 and 2017. She also took over leadership for the Richland Community Development Group. In this combined role she’s responsible for leading the county wide economic community and workforce development efforts. Prior to this position, she led the grease New York and Van Wert Ohio area chambers of commerce and also served on the staff of the Ashland Ohio area Chamber of Commerce. Jody received her Bachelors of Arts in political science and religion from Ashland University in Ashland, Ohio. Jody earned her IOM designation in 2008. In 2018, she received her distinction as a CCE the highest certification in the industry. Jody received the 2019 Athena award for Richland County, the important the importance of business was instilled at her at a young age she grew up in a family of entrepreneurs in Rochester, New York. Another interesting fact is Jody was a prior guest on the on the chamber chat podcast back in episode 53, as she talked about community development projects, but Jodi, I’m thrilled to have you back with us on chamber chat podcast. I’d love for you to say hello to all the chamber champions that are listening and share something interesting about yourself so we can all get to know you a little better.

Jodie Perry 3:34
Awesome. Well, thanks, Brandon. I appreciate being back on and great to chat with my fellow chamber. peers across the country. So something interesting about myself Well, I’m a proud dog mom, to a rambunctious, adopted mutt named Elizabeth Bennett, Lizzie Bennet. I’m a big Pride and Prejudice fan. So so she keeps me busy most days and I love being an aunt to several nieces and nephews as well.

Brandon Burton 4:05
That’s awesome. Well tell us a little bit about the Richland Area Chamber. You guys are obviously doing some great things to get noticed as a chamber, the year finalist. So tell us a little bit about the size of your chamber staff size, budget scope of work just to kind of give us an idea before we get into our discussion. Sure.

Jodie Perry 4:25
So we represent Richland County, Ohio, our largest city, as you noted earlier was in Mansfield, Ohio. That’s a lot of people would know us for that. Fun fact we were where the Shawshank Redemption movie was filmed 25 plus years ago now so yes, so the old prison still brings in hundreds of 1000s of people actually a year to see that. So just kind of fun here. We have a little over 1000 members here. Were a staff of 11 nine full time to part time and Our budgets about $1.2 million. And in my bio, you noted, we are a combined entity. So we have the chamber, we have a chamber Foundation, a 501, C three, as well as another 501 C three, which does our economic development, workforce development and community development. So the staff kind of serves across all those three areas.

Brandon Burton 5:24
Awesome. Now that having two foundations that’ll that’ll help keep you busy and well funded to hopefully so that’s good. So on these chamber, the your finalist episodes, what I like to do is focus the majority of our time on the the two programs that were submitted on your chamber the year application. And what I’d like to do is just have you tell us at a high level what those two programs are, and then we can circle back and go a little more in depth with each of them?

Jodie Perry 5:52
Great. Well, the first one that we submitted was called Richland works. And it was a program that was a fusion of communication efforts and workforce development. We joined with our local job and Family Services Office and that our local area 10 Workforce Development Board, they actually funded this project, which was a unique, we’ve done a lot with our government entities around workforce. So they’ve been able to use some of the federal dollars coming in, which I think is important for other chambers to know, if you’re if you’re not working with them or not regularly reaching out, I would highly encourage that. We’ve done that for many years. In fact, they helped fund our workforce development position too. But this project was called Richland works, the budget was just a little over $100,000. And we filmed 35, about three minutes videos featuring local employers, they kind of went through all the types of employers that we have. We’re a strong manufacturing community. So we did a lot of types of manufacturing, health care, nonprofit arts and entertainment. And the goal is really twofold, I would say first was, you know, these were all businesses that were actively hiring. So in the short term, we wanted to help connect them through this digital marketing campaign to potential employees. And then secondly, and kind of the more long term effect is to be able to use these in the schools, teaching students about the job opportunities that are locally happening. So in addition to filming the videos, we had a promoted social media campaign for each one. They have really done huge numbers on our social media. They’re all hosted also on our website, so we can see the traffic that has been driven to that landing page. We actually also just finished a community wide brands here. So we were able to work the brand into the, to this project as well. So it was kind of a really good fusion of all of those things. And you know, just kind of early return. So we’re still finishing up a couple of the last ones that are being promoted, the all the videos are done. But you know, we’ve had employers say, Yep, we’ve made, you know, direct hires off of this, when when your videos were promoted, we could see the traffic on our sites increase. So we knew it was working. And it’s been good. The other thing that was a part of this was a podcast that we called the workforce pulse. So we talked about workforce development, and interviewed everyone from our lieutenant governor in the state of Ohio, who kind of Heads Up statewide workforce efforts to some of our more local partners, and just really trying to help people put words to a word that we all use a lot, which is workforce development, but I think the average person doesn’t really understand what that means.

Brandon Burton 8:54
Yeah, workforce development has such a wide scope. So for the Layperson in the community to try to figure out what you’re talking about. might need a little bit more context, but I love you guys do a podcast always a big fan when I hear chambers doing podcasts a great job. Are you still doing the podcast? Or was that a series that you did for a limited time sort of a thing?

Jodie Perry 9:16
So far, it’s been limited. We did kind of two seasons of it. And we have talked about continuing it and maybe using it to focus more on people that have moved here. So kind of talent attraction. A little bit more specifically, but we haven’t moved ahead with that. Yeah, so we’re still kind of kicking around. What do we do with it? But But yeah, it was successful and well received. So we were they kind of got our brains thinking around what we could do elsewise,

Brandon Burton 9:47
right, so I know I had asked for the two programs high level but now I’m getting into the details on this. So we’ll we’ll roll with that. And you had mentioned that with these 35 three minute videos that you’re promoting them on Social media. But you had also mentioned that the increase in traffic to that landing page where you’re hosting the videos. Can you talk to us a little bit more about that? Because I know a lot of times social media is going to perform best if you upload the video directly. But how are you still driving people to your website on that front?

Jodie Perry 10:18
Sure. So. So we began, the video started being filmed in early 2022, the social kind of promotion sites started in the middle of last year. And we’ve, you know, dripped, obviously, with 35 of them, we didn’t want them all to hit at once, because that would diminish the returns there. So we’ve been dripping them every week to two weeks, since that point. So since then, to up to the time that we submitted the application, early May, we had over 170,000 views combined on all those videos. So, you know, Facebook being the, by far the leader there, but we have linked to this in with our own Google ads campaign, as well as YouTube and in the other channels that you would expect. Our website, which we, we did have a landing page created for that that has had over 15,000 unique visitors over that time. So certainly a lot less than the views, but a lot more than our normal website hits. So we can see, you know, on the backside with some of the analytics, where those leads are coming from. And the other thing that we did on that page was create a form that people can fill out. So you know, if they’re potentially looking to move here, or they’re looking for more assistance, you know, we have a way of kind of a call to action for them to reach out to us, so that we can help connect them in.

Brandon Burton 11:49
Okay, so you’ve dropped another great nugget in there about how you integrated your Google ads and those sorts of things. So how are you retargeting and addressing these, you know, that your the traffic that you’re getting in here? How are you taking advantage of that going forward?

Jodie Perry 12:07
So Google has so this is where I think having a 501 C three partner with your chamber really can pay dividends. So they have a a Google for Nonprofits campaign, that once you’re qualified for, they will give you up to $10,000 per month for Google ads. So again, that is attached to our kind of economic and workforce development side of the house. So we’re not using our Google ads for the more traditional chamber events and things that you might think we’re using it for, you know, locate your business here, we’ve kind of promoted our industrial properties. And then particularly during the last six months to a year, we’ve had a secondary campaign, running parallel around workforce development. And so, you know, this has been something we’ve been really excited about. And I think it’s it’s been good timing of the, you know, some of the challenges that we had before was we didn’t have the assets to promote things. So you know, we could talk about the community, but we didn’t have good video, we didn’t have good still photography. That was a piece of this campaign, too. And now we have this really huge wealth of assets, combined with that community brand I mentioned earlier, which has given us some really good verbiage and things that we need to describe the community. And it’s all able to come together around the the Google ads campaign, as well as some of the things that are happening on social and so I just it, I’d love to say, Oh, well, we timed that all very strategically to come together at the same time. We didn’t. But it’s, you know, happenstance was it all did come together at the same time. And so I think that we’ve been able to leverage that a lot more fully than we would have two to three years ago, even

Brandon Burton 14:01
Yeah, so much of it is just recognizing the opportunities that you have. And so you have this specific program, which then works but then to be able to add on top, you know, the tie in with the Google ads and the retargeting and everything. And so not that you necessarily plan it with your new branding and everything, but you leverage you see where things would align, and you take advantage of that. Yeah. Can you tell us a little bit more about the education side so and workforce development has a lot of different angles to it. So in the school systems, how are you getting it in front of students? How are you helping to educate them about jobs, and I know it’s at least what I’ve seen in the past, you have a great idea. And when it comes to other people helping to implement it, it may be hard sometimes to execute and have a fulfill. So how are you working through that end of the education side?

Jodie Perry 14:55
Sure. So we’ve been, you know, building relationships with our schools for yours at this point. And so I think that helps us when we been able to go to them, they’ve worked with us on different projects over the years, we have done a very successful student job fair, the last, I think, three to four years. Two years ago, we changed it up to make it a reverse job fair. So the students are setting up the booths, and the employers are walking around. And that has been a really cool inversion. And we’re trying to get more students there, we would love to see better participation from the student side, the employers are all over it, no surprise. But that’s kind of, you know, one of the direct ways that we’re working with them. And then, you know, over the summer, just recently, we’ve done tours, with our superintendents, with teachers, we’ve been a part of all of that, you know, so we have a good ecosystem here, kind of working around the workforce area. So some of the things we lead some of the things we just help connect on. But we have been sending these videos out to the superintendents and the teachers and saying, you know, we want you to think about using them. And we knew we had success, when we, one of the superintendents copied us on what he had pushed out to his entire district, which was the link to the page, and basically said, you’re gonna use these next year in school. And I’d like to see how that happens. And so, you know, we were really excited to just see that pickup happening. And we think that will continue to happen, because really, the videos, I think, you know, they have a fairly long lifespan in terms of the education, you know, obviously, their their hiring needs will vary a little bit, but but they don’t talk specifically about their immediate hiring needs. It’s more about just what is the culture as an employer at that agency?

Brandon Burton 16:52
Right. Now? I’d love that it when you went about that, the idea of having the videos and sharing it with the schools, was it to share it in the classroom or guidance counselor’s sharing it or through social media pages through the school system? What was the vision? And is it is it aligning with what the vision was?

Jodie Perry 17:12
Yeah, I would say probably our primary thought at the time was through classrooms. So really, you know, we have a lot of technology. We’re technology schools here. So those are kind of low hanging fruit. They already do things like this. So we wanted to give them some fresh material for that, and particularly local materials. So you know, don’t just use stock manufacturing footage. Let’s show you the headquarters of Gorman, Rob, can you know manufacturing looks a lot different these days than it used to. But yes, long term, we want guidance counselor’s. We also have a locally funded program not through the chamber, but we provide assistance to them, which puts career coaches in each of our school systems and so they’re working with students every day, they’re not full time teachers or anything, they’re just a lot of them are retired teachers doing it part time but so we’re encouraging them to use these videos to as they’re working with students to try to just help them figure out you know, again, what exists locally, but but just also what exists on a larger scale for them.

Brandon Burton 18:22
Yeah, that’s awesome. So I love the idea of the reverse job fair. And that could be a whole nother podcast episode. I would love to dive deep and just learn all the ins and outs of that yeah, so let’s let’s look at shifting gears and and focusing a little bit more on the other program that was submitted on your chamber the your application as soon as they get back from this quick break.

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Brandon Burton 22:12
All right, Jodi, we’re back. So as I mentioned before the break, we’re going to shift over to the second program that you guys submitted on your chamber the your application, can you tell us what that was and kind of what it’s all about?

Jodie Perry 22:26
Sure. So we did a program at the beginning of 2022. This is a long name, but it was called the Richland County COVID-19 Food and Beverage entertainment venue and lodging and tourism grant program. Long name to say we provided grants to small businesses in those targeted areas. We partnered with our Richland County Commissioners as well as the city of Mansfield who funded the grants through their ARPA dollars, the allocations that they received locally. And actually, we had already done a successful version of this program, a little wider scope, back in 2020, where we gave, at that time, over $2.7 million, almost 500 local businesses right in the heart of COVID. And so like many chambers, I think, you know, we found ourselves right at the center of the action during COVID, in really being a key resource and helping our businesses stay active. But as things went on, and in, you know, the initial impact in the 2020 had kind of faded, but we saw just like everyone else, you know, hotel revenues continued to be down a little bit. Food and Beverage, particularly it was still taking time in 2021, we are still having those bigger waves. And, you know, entertainment venues, you know, they things just weren’t back to normal. And so when the ARPA dollars were passed, both the government agencies said, Hey, we did this successfully last time, we’d like to partner with you again. But this time, let’s focus in on the businesses that are particularly still lagging. But let’s give them also slightly larger grants. So we gave grants up to $30,000. And in this program, we gave away over 56 grants, and it was just a little over a million dollars to local businesses. So a lot of work, but definitely things that were much needed, and kept, quite frankly, kept some of those places afloat, particularly some of the smaller nonprofits that fit in that area.

Brandon Burton 24:39
Yeah. So anticipate you I mean, through your your membership database, right. You can sort through these kinds of tourism type businesses and food and beverage and hotels and so forth to target to inform. I’m sure you sent some sort of an invitation to fill out an application what was the process like for them to apply? And to to gain access to these grant funds,

Jodie Perry 25:03
you’re. So actually you didn’t have to be a member. Of course, we did have a lot of members that received grants, but we worked hard to get the word out that you didn’t have to be a member to receive this. You didn’t have to be located in Richland County, you had to be able to show that you had loss of revenue. So there was some members and businesses that just didn’t qualify because they didn’t lose enough revenue, which is ultimately a good thing did make for some interesting conversations. Sometimes when I had to tell them, Well, I’m sorry, you just didn’t lose enough money, which is good. But we did a whole marketing campaign around that we held some online, Zoom informational sessions, and then did a lot of social media marketing to really get the word out there. So then, you know, when it came time to open the grants, which was just after the first of the year and 2022. You know, everyone knew in advance what the questions were, we did operate this one a little differently than our previous iteration. So we looked at the the applications as they came in, even though both government agencies gave us a limited amount of money, they both kind of indicated, look, if you have a, you know, a run on these, and it’s truly businesses in need, we will allocate more funds. So we felt comfortable that, you know, we needed to make sure we went through a really rigorous process to make sure they met all of the qualifications, but that we felt pretty comfortable, we could help everyone who really was going to qualify, so. So it took us probably beginning to end, it was about a five month process of kind of the planning, you know, about a month and a half of the application window. And then, you know, businesses had to provide a lot of documentation, because as you can imagine, with government dollars, there’s a lot of auditing that goes on on the back side, and we have mine that the first time around, so we had to get a lot of information and, and worked through it. But in the end, it was really well received. And like I said, definitely made a difference with some of those businesses.

Brandon Burton 27:13
Yeah. So chamber was very involved in not only just from the communication and and broadcasting the information out there, but actually filtering through the applications and seeing who qualifies and to be able to kind of sort through I can imagine a lot of work. Let alone the the audits and everything afterwards, right. Yes, yeah. So is there any, you know, an example or two that stand out of businesses that that really had a big impact on or, like, I know the industry in general, the tourism industry, but usually there’s there’s a couple that really stand out? It’s like they needed these funds? Are there any examples that you can share with us?

Jodie Perry 27:57
Yeah, a good one would be right in the heart of downtown Mansfield, we have a carousel, a wooden carousel, called Richmond carousel Park. And as you can imagine, they were closed. They’re a nonprofit, and, you know, run mostly by volunteers, and they had not qualified for some of the other grants that were coming out through the state. PPP for them wasn’t as impactful, because they don’t have a lot of employees, they have a lot of volunteers. So, you know, when we reached out, I noticed they hadn’t applied. And so I gave them a call. And I was, you know, just like, hey, I just want to make sure you saw we had this and, and she kind of had already assumed that they wouldn’t qualify. But for us, we weren’t necessarily looking at payroll, that was one way you could get the the reimbursement. But there were other things you can claim, you had to have at least a 10% loss to qualify for it, theirs was was much larger. So they ended up qualifying for the full $30,000. And I thought the director was going to start crying when I called to tell her that it was just, you know, it really made a big impact on you know, them being able to get back in and going again, at more of a full pace. And there was another one too, it was a small local bakery, similar situation where they you know, I think they had received some PPP money, but it was relatively small and just because of their size, and so actually they qualified for $20,000 which was huge to them and they were teetering on closing just because you know, the cash flow wasn’t there. They were still on the newer side and, and that has kept them going. So you know, some really good uplifting stories. It made all of the work and the spreadsheets and all of the things that we had to do to make it work. Definitely very worthwhile.

Brandon Burton 29:59
That’s all Awesome, I love hearing stories like that, for sure, you guys are definitely making an impact in the community. So that that is evident. As we start to wrap things up here, I wanted to ask if for those listening, if you might have any tip or action item for chambers who are interested in taking their chamber up to the next level,

Jodie Perry 30:21
you know, honestly, my best suggestion is to, to apply for this award, even if you don’t think you’re ready for it. So we, I’ve applied for this four times twice at a previous chamber. And then this is the second time that we’ve applied here, the other one was back in 2019. And it was probably about the time I was on here the first time. And, you know, when I was working through the application with our team this year, I really was so excited to see our progress in that time, between 2019 to 2023. You know, I think a lot of times as chamber leaders, you know, we’re busy, and so we don’t often slow down to really appreciate that progress. And it’s definitely an area we’ve grown in, in in that time, you know, we’ve added some staff, we’ve really been beefed up our communications, which has made a huge difference. In in both of the programs that you just heard about, you know, we’re producing annual reports regularly, just things like that. And it really, you know, my my best thing is always to aim high. And then, you know, it gives you an idea of what you need to work towards, even if you don’t ultimately hit it the first time. And, you know, I don’t know if I shared this last time around. But same with your CCE, you know, I I had to go through that program twice, I always joke I was the reject. But you know, the first time it was a really, it was a great process, I just didn’t have a project that was strong enough. That’s kind of where it was, it was also different being interviewed by your peers versus, you know, interviewed by the board. But I came back the next year got it. And you know, in both instances, I I’m super proud of the fact that I can see the growth both in myself and then here at the chamber by kind of, you know, being told no the first time, and I think that just makes you stronger as a leader by not giving up.

Brandon Burton 32:26
But and I appreciate you being transparent and open about that too. And the idea that that there are people that are turned away the first time and it really shows what that distinction means, you know, really means that you’re, you’re you’re taking the profession seriously your professional development and everything that goes with that. Yeah. So Jody, as we look to the future of chambers of commerce, how do you see the future chambers and their purpose going forward?

Jodie Perry 32:53
I think the chambers are at the heart of our community. And actually, I think COVID cemented that even more. For us locally, it certainly did. You know, that was obviously a unique and a unique time for all of us full of turmoil. But I would say, you know, those two years of when we’re really in the heart of it, I have never felt like we were more in our mission statement zone than during that time. You know, there was just a lot of things that, you know, you kind of strip away some of the clutter and the things that get in the way. And I will say that, you know, for us now, you know, we have built and cemented a lot of relationships locally that came out of that time that, you know, quite frankly, the chamber is at the heart of almost every major project that’s happening in our community doesn’t mean I’m not trying to take credit for them. But but we’re always at the table. We’re always a player. And I think that, you know, chambers should be playing that role in their community. And, you know, sometimes we have ceded that to other organizations, or other entities and I think, you know, the power of convening, the power of influence that that we have in this role should not be taken lightly. And I think it’s it’s unique. What we do is unique from what government does or from what other you know, the foundation or the philanthropic world does. In we were kind of a good touch point for all of those different entities.

Brandon Burton 34:37
Absolutely. Well, God This has been a blast to have you back on the podcast. It’s always very reassuring to me to see somebody I’ve had on the podcast, you know, it seems like long ago, the selected as a chamber, the year finalist, so congratulations to you and your team. I’d love to give you an opportunity to share any contact information for listeners who may want to reach out and can To you and learn more maybe about these programs that you guys are are promoting within your community.

Jodie Perry 35:05
There are so definitely first I’ll start with our website which is just RichlandAreaChamber.com. You could Google Richland Works, that should bring up the landing page for that program as well. My email address is just jperry@richlandareachamber.com. And our phone number is 419-522-3211. And I would be remiss if I didn’t give a huge shout out to my team because while I’m the spokesperson on a couple of these, you know, they very much are at the heart of all of this work and super, super proud and it feels special to be going through this with them.

Brandon Burton 35:48
Absolutely. Yeah. Can’t do it without the team so you’re sure got a good one around you. Absolutely. Oh god, thank you for spending time with us today and sharing these insights of these impactful programs you guys are doing there and the Richmond area Chamber. And I wish you and your team Best of luck as chamber the year.

Jodie Perry 36:07
Thanks so much, Brandon.

Brandon Burton 36:08
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North Central Massachusetts Chamber-2023 Chamber of the Year Finalist with Roy Nascimento

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Our guests for this episode is Roy Nascimento. Roy has been President and CEO of the North Central Massachusetts Chamber of Commerce since January 2015. Under his leadership, the North Central Massachusetts chamber has been recognized among the top chambers of commerce in the country for its impact and operations. Among many of its honors, the chamber was a 2017 and 2021 runner up for the prestigious National chamber the Year Award, the first chamber of Massachusetts and New England to have ever been recognized as a finalist. The chamber also achieved four star accreditation in 2018. As a 20 plus year veteran of the chamber profession Roy previously served as president and CEO of the New Bedford Area Chamber of Commerce from 2006 until December 2014. Roy also previously led the Attleboro Area Chamber of Commerce and served as vice president at the Metro South Chamber of Commerce in Brockton. Roy is a leader within the Chamber of Commerce Industry. He is the past president of the board of the Massachusetts Association of Chamber of Commerce executives and as past chair of the New England Association of Chamber of Commerce executives, and the MACCE council chambers. In recognition of his leadership and record of accomplishments, Roy was named New England chamber Executive of the Year in 2011. He’s an IOM graduate from Villanova and the Economic Development Institute at the University of Oklahoma and has been designated as a CCE by ACC some of you may remember ROI from previous episode 99 episodes ago on episode 134. But, Roy, I’m excited to have you back on Chamber Chat Podcast again as a Chamber the Year Finalist. I’d love to give you an opportunity to say hello to all the Chamber Champions that are out there listening and go ahead and share something interesting about yourself so you can all get to know you even better.

Roy Nascimento 4:17
So thank you, Brandon. It’s really an honor to be to be back and especially under the circumstances being a finalist again for for this very prestigious honor. So we’re hoping this is our third time being a finalist we’re hoping Third time’s the charm and that we get it this year but I’m I’m I’m not that interesting. I leave a lead a pretty boring life. So there’s not much I guess I’m gonna lean back on what I mentioned the last time you interviewed me that that’s kind of neat about me is that that I’m most of your listeners probably wouldn’t be aware of this but I’m actually a child of immigrants. My parents were were were from Europe, from Portugal. emigrated here for a better life. And I was born here. So I’m a US citizen. But actually a few years back, I ended up applying to get my Portuguese citizenship. I had a friend who had, who was of Irish descent. And he applied his grandmother was from from Ireland, and he applied and was successful in getting dual citizenship. And I thought that was pretty cool. So I said, let me let me try that. And so I applied and was able to get dual citizenship. So I’m a citizen. And I’m also a Portuguese citizen. And that’s something that I can in turn pass down to my kids, because they can apply for Portuguese citizenship, if they choose down the road. So and it’s just a nice way to kind of connect back with my heritage. And so that’s kind of the different something that your listeners probably unaware.

Brandon Burton 5:53
Yeah, no, I think that is fascinating. And when you share that last time, I thought that was really interesting and fascinating. And I know a lot of people have dual citizenships, but usually with the US and Canada, you know, to be able to have us and Portugal that that’s, that’s pretty neat. Well, tell us a little bit more about the North Central Massachusetts chamber just to kind of set the stage for our discussion, help us understand the type of chamber you are is size, staff budget, that sort of thing, just to kind of know where you’re coming from before we get into our conversation.

Roy Nascimento 6:30
Sure. So our chamber is based in the city of Pittsburgh, Massachusetts, it’s a city of about 42,000 people. And we are a Regional Chamber. So we cover city of Pittsburgh, to other cities that are in North Central Massachusetts of similar size. And altogether, we cover about 27 communities. And we’re basically, you know, as the name suggests, we’re in North Central Massachusetts. So we’re, we’re about an hour west of Boston. And our region is it’s a obviously I’m a little biased, but it’s a beautiful and really wonderful dynamic region. Here in New England. We are we offer so much, we have a very diverse economy, very, very focused on manufacturing and the largest concentration of manufacturing in the state. But we’re also we also have a good mix of rural communities. So we have a lot of farms and agricultural businesses, we have about 800 farms, orchards and other agricultural businesses, here in North Central Massachusetts, and in you know, we’re our claim to fame, one of our claims to fame is that were the home of and the birthplace of Johnny Appleseed from American folklore, he was actually born here. And lemons stir Massachusetts, which is our largest city in North Central Massachusetts. And so and we still have a lot of or orchards, apple orchards here and and in the region. And we really market the heck out of that as part of our tourism marketing efforts, kind of our agricultural history and in our connection to Johnny Appleseed and American history. In terms of the chamber size, we’re our budget is about a million and a half now. And we have about about 1617 staff that on the professional staff. And we’ve grown over the last few years, particularly around our work around economic development.

Brandon Burton 8:32
Good deal. Yeah, the the whole Johnny Appleseed aspect is, that’s interesting. You definitely have something to kind of plant a flag in and everybody in the country is familiar with Johnny Appleseed, and can really capitalize on that. So I think every community has their thing, right? Your thing just happens to be one that more more people can resonate with?

Roy Nascimento 8:53
Absolutely. And I know, we’re not the only state that has ownership of Johnny Appleseed, you know, he certainly helped pioneer many parts of our country and but it all started here. He was born here. And we really tried to capitalize on that. And we use as part of our marketing that were Johnny Appleseed country. So it’s a great place to for people coming from the city and from other parts of the mainland to come out and connect with their agricultural roots and come out here to some of our origins that have reinvented themselves, you know, and become destinations, really catering to visitors and tourists.

Brandon Burton 9:29
That’s great. It’s got me wondering what his real last name is. So I’m gonna have to do some research. Chapman, John Chapman, all right, save me some some study. Well, I’d like to just have you maybe hit the two programs that you guys submitted on your chamber through your application at a high level just to kind of give us an idea of what those two programs are about. And then we can circle back and dive in a little deeper on both I’m

Roy Nascimento 10:00
sure so so the first initiative that we had submitted as part of our application, as part of our synopsis, was around an initiative to engage with the Latin X population here in North Central Massachusetts. And this really was an outgrowth of the pandemic. We, we operate underneath the umbrella of the chamber A, A, our economic development arm, it’s called the North Central Massachusetts Development Corporation. And it’s a 501 C three nonprofit organization. And it is, it’s our economic was formed by the chamber and it’s our economic development arm. And this, under this entity, we are considered we were certified by the US Treasury as a community development financial institution. We’re also an SBA lender, and we’re a community advantage lender under the SBA and EDA lender. So all that means that we are able to provide micro loans to businesses in the region to support economic development. And with that, we’ve also grown our technical assistance, we do a lot of hand holding, providing a lot of counseling and technical assistance. And in recent years, we’ve started providing grants as well, to support startup businesses and existing small businesses that a variety of reasons can’t get through traditional financing. So we will be able to provide them some some capital to help them get that business going with, with the caveat that it creates jobs and investment in our communities. And we’ve been doing this since the 1990s. And we’ve been growing in recent years. And we found during the pandemic that that Latino businesses, and again, Latinos are the largest minority population in the region, and are one of our largest communities that represents about 30% of the population. And if you look at the data, Latinos are starting businesses at three times the rate of the general population. So this was obviously a population that we wanted to engage in support. And during the pandemic, when we were doing so much to support businesses and help help them get through the pandemic, we saw that a lot of a lot of Latino businesses were not taking advantage of some of the resources that were out there to support businesses, they weren’t taking advantage of the PPP loans, they weren’t taking advantage of different grants that were offered by the scheme by our local communities. And so really, this was really an outgrowth of that. And so we, we really decided to focus on the Latin X pot population engaging them, we’re really looking to engage them more, we decided to hire a full time individual on our team that was multilingual, Maribel Cruz, and she’s a great addition, she speaks Spanish, Portuguese and English fluently. And we also developed some strong partnerships with other groups within the community that focus on the Latino population. So as a result, we were able to connect Latino business owners to this to our network of businesses to chamber but also to these different resources, including resources that we haven’t anything relevant about incorporation. And we we saw a really strong impact. Over the last two years. We did about a million dollars of micro loans to Latino businesses that represents now a third of our loans that we made over the two year period, we also provided 1000s of hours of technical assistance to to businesses, and we help connect them to other resources as well. And as a result, these Latino businesses were able to secure loans to other other banks and credit unions and get grants from from from the state as well. So we were able to kind of remember that. And I should also mention, we also evolved. We’ve been evolving over the years. So we’ve started providing grants, as well. So we were able to provide some grants as well to Latino businesses to help them get started or to overcome some some challenges as they were starting so and all that helped create jobs and help create investment within our community. So we’re really, really pleased with the outcome and the impacts from this. You know, these are small loans are micro loans, but they can have a tremendous impact in our communities, helping to start local restaurants and coffee shops and hair salons. And they’re attractive jobs and they create jobs in our community and creates investment in our communities.

Brandon Burton 14:45
Yeah. So as you are reaching out to these these Latin owned businesses, are these strictly Chamber members who are reaching out to is it Latin businesses in general throughout the community, or are you making that approach?

Roy Nascimento 15:00
So we are engaging Latino businesses, they do not have to be a member of the chamber to get a loan from our economic development arm and so. So you know, we were engaging Latinos broadly within North Central Massachusetts. And obviously we’d love to get them more engaged in the chamber. And so that was also something that we wanted to let them know that there’s this network of businesses, and we want them involved, because we think that’s an important part of being successful is networking, and being involved in your local community and, and want them to feel comfortable. So that was an important part of the project, really engaging them, engaging them in the community through some of the partners in the community that they’re already working with, as well as bringing on that staff capacity, bringing someone on that could could reach out to them in their own language, and could provide culturally competent technical assistance and advice to them and engage them. So that was an important objective as part of this project.

Brandon Burton 16:05
Yeah. So with this program, a lot of this is providing micro loans and grants, like you had mentioned. And I know, typically, loans and grants come with some sort of stipulations, you know, an application process and things like that. But being that being a chamber, the year finalist is all about the impact in your community. Because you have these stipulations around loans and grants, what sort of impact are you seeing on the follow up, you know, over time, as these new businesses or especially these Latin businesses are taking advantage of these resources you’re helping give access to,

Roy Nascimento 16:45
so we track the loans and and you’re absolutely right, these are loans, so they have to be repaid. But they’re pretty competitive rates, these are not rates that are not, we’re not a predatory lender, we’re not charging enormous rates, these are same rates you get through a bank. And we do have an underwriting process. So we do have to evaluate each loan. And so a lot of time is often spent with the clients helping them get ready just to secure the loan, because they’re not always prepared and do not have a business plan. So there’s a lot of pre and post loan counseling, getting them prepared to just submit their application, collecting all those documents, and we still do the underwriting. So not everyone gets approved applies to us. So this isn’t free money, you still have to apply and show that they have a plan in place, and that they have, you know, they have a fundamental understanding of their business and what they plan on doing and, and have the ability to repay and be successful long term. And then once they get the loan, we’re still following up with them. So we follow up on a regular basis, our team is meeting with our clients, finding out what are the pain points, where were they struggling? Typically, we see that they’re struggling on things like accounting systems, or marketing, and that’s across the board. That’s not just Platino businesses. And then and then we track the impact, you know, we keep an eye on the loans, we want to make sure that they get paid, as if they get repaid, and we can lend that money out again. So that’s one of the things I love is we continue to have this this impact. But we fundamentally track jobs. And through over the last two years, just just the loans to our our Latin X population that were made, they were about 57 new jobs that were created from that, from those loans that we made an average size loan was just like 25,000. So these are typically very small loans, typically working capital or buy some equipment, we go as high as 250,000. But again, the average is typically about 20,000. That is huge.

Brandon Burton 19:01
That I can I can see the impact that makes individually on each of those businesses. It is a benefactor of those micro loans, and, but also the community in general to be able to have those jobs and the families that are being affected and community and it just it bleeds out throughout the community.

Roy Nascimento 19:18
Absolutely. And And anecdotally, you know, a lot of these loans, you know, really have an impact in the community, we’re seeing loans that a lot of a lot of them tend to be riskier businesses that that that can’t find traditional financing because the industry tends to be very risky. So a lot of food related businesses, coffee shops, restaurants that look at the statistics have a high failure rate. So And typically, we don’t compete with our banks and credit unions. They’re our number one referral source and we partner quite quite a bit with them. So typically, they’re a big referral source for us. So a bank will All Community Bank will will not be able to make a loan to start a business because it’s too risky because they are a startup business. And because they’re looking to open up a restaurant and higher failure rates and, and so that the bank may not want to take that risk. So they’ll pass them along to us. We’ll take a different we’ll take another look at it. We tend to be a little bit more flexible in our lending approach. Again, we still do underwriting but we try to be a little bit more flexible because we have this we’re looking at it through this economic development lens. And as I mentioned, anecdotally, you know, it’s great to see these lawns you know, see these these restaurants start up as coffee shops, startup hair salons in some of our communities. And in some of our downtown’s like we have one community where we got we had one Latino business owner who’s a restaurant tour, who is taking the risk of opening up a restaurant and one of our downtown’s and one of our cities in the downtown is is, is a priority for the municipality, they’re trying to revitalize their downtown. And a lot of empty storefronts there. And so they prioritize bringing in more kind of destination businesses, and they want to see more restaurants in the downtown. So we were able to help them with help this entrepreneur, open up this this Latin restaurant, and that’s, that’s becoming a destination. It’s bringing more people into the downtown. And that’s encouraging more revitalization of the downtown and more businesses opening up in downtown. So it has that kind of ripple effect, beyond just the jobs that we track and the lending dollars that we track, and the job saved, but it’s also that kind of helping to revitalize parts of the community.

Brandon Burton 21:48
Yeah. So the question that comes to my mind is where the initial funding came from, I know you guys have been doing this sort of program for a while, but with the focus on the the Latin population right now. So did that initial funding come through a foundation or, I mean, it’s great as the loans get repaid, and you get some interest collected to be able to get it back out in the community. But for a chamber listening, where where would one get started doing a program like this? So

Roy Nascimento 22:13
that’s a great question. So this goes back, our original lending started back in the late 1990s. So we had a military base here called port Devon’s that was was closing. And so the, the chamber was able to secure a grant from the Economic Development Administration, and utilize that to capitalize our first loan fund. So that’s where it all started, we got this grant, we had to match it. So we have to match it. Think about 25% of the grant medic matched with private sector dollars, which we did at the time. And that capitalized our first revolving fund, which is still providing loans to this day. And so And since then, we’ve expanded, we now have, I think, six loan funds. And one of the loan funds is an SBA loan fund, which we use SBA money, we get a loan from the SBA, at a very favorable rate, and we lend that those dollars in the form of micro loans. And we have to have certain requirements, we have to have a loan loss reserve account setup, and it is a loan, so we have to repay the SBA back, so we’re on the hook for that. But that was that was very useful. A few years back when we needed, we were running out of capital and needed more capital. And since then, we’ve gone out and we’ve been successful and raising other funds, we’ve been able to secure other grants, federal grants, state grants, we’ve also secured private dollars. So we’ve been lucky enough that we’ve been successful, and that our local stakeholders, and our members have been supportive of the work that we’ve been doing. So we’ve been able to secure contributions from some some companies and local local members that have enabled us to capitalize and continue to provide loans. So So yeah, we’ve been successful, especially over the last few years. With the work that we’ve been doing around lending and being able to grow our impact on providing these micro loans. It’s a really nice tool in our in our toolbox to help support community development and economic development here in North Central Massachusetts. And I think it’s something that makes us a little unique, so I know some chambers do it, but not a lot. And so most chambers are not in the lending space. So I’m always happy to talk to any listeners that might be interested in getting involved and, and in providing loans and supporting the entrepreneurial ecosystem in their communities.

Brandon Burton 24:50
Yeah, and there could be a whole other deep dive on how to structure that and get set up so any listeners that would take Roy up on that offer to reach out and connect for them to learn more if that’s of interest and providing that resource at your chamber but right let’s say let’s shift gears we’ll we’ll change some focus on to the the other program that was submitted on your chamber the your application as soon as they get back from this quick break.

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Brandon Burton 28:27
All right, right. We’re back. So tell us what was the second program that you guys submitted in your synopsis on your your chamber that your application?

Roy Nascimento 28:36
Yeah, so the second second project that we submitted was a project that we undertook last year to modernize and improve our visitor center. So we operate a visitor center, it’s called the Johnny Appleseed visitor center named Alfred. And we’ve we’ve operated the visitor center that the visitor center was a byproduct of our of our our regional economic development plan our original regional economic development plan back in the 90s. I mentioned the lending that we do that was also a product of that. So we underwent this kind of big regional economic development planning process when port Devins was closing had some major importers that were closing. So we kind of led this effort is before my time. But out of that came this whole kind of blueprint to really advance our economy here in the region. And and that included supporting startup businesses through micro loans and technical assistance growing our tourism economy because we we really didn’t have much of a tourism economy at the time. And but we’re a beautiful area that has a lot to offer visitors and groups. So out of that came our visitor center that was one of the recommendations so that chamber led this effort to get this visitor center opened in the operate the visitor center with operating successfully since the 1990s. This project really was to modernize and update it. So we operate the visitor center it’s on, it’s on our route to, which is a state highway. It’s actually owned by the state. But we operate it as a partnership with the state. And so we pay for all of expenses, we staff it, we cover all the expenses, I think they, they cover the electricity on the on the lights out in the parking lot, and they plow, but other than that, we cover most of the expenses. And so we really wanted to as part of our new economic development plan that launched in 2021, we wanted to grow our tourism economy. And uh, one of the recommendations was as an as a real action actionable step that we could take was modernizing the visitor center, and really trying to make it really trying to reimagine it and transform it from from a typical kind of visitor center and rest up to more of a unique and inclusive kind of anchor destination that really showcases North Central Massachusetts and really helps to advance our economy. So, so we took on this project, we were lucky enough to secure a small grant on the state of about 75,000 from our Office of Tourism, which we matched. And a total project was, I think, at the time about, but 170,000 altogether. And since then, we’ve made some additional improvements. So it’s probably over 200,000. But we were really looking at at improving Visitor Center and modernizing it adding some amenities that we knew visitors were looking for. Wanted to really tell the story of North Central Massachusetts there. So we wanted to include adding some new interpretive displays, or adding new signage for the collection of historical items that we have there. We have this really, over the years, we’ve built up this enormous collection of historical items that help tell the story of North Central Massachusetts, including a lot of Johnny Appleseed memorabilia, and so we wanted some, some better signage within a visitor center showcasing that collection to visitors. And then we had some added over the years some some interesting artwork, we have this, this, what we call the Big Apple at normal, and which is this big foot 10 foot Apple sculpture. That’s a nice, nice attraction there that people have take photos in front of and have this beautiful sculpture of them Johnny Appleseed there that’s also very popular. So we added some signage to those. And we included a lot a lot of local artwork. We also wanted to make the center safer. So we added more more video cameras on the grounds, we added one and make it more inclusive, so we added more. He added ADA compliant in cap doors, which we didn’t have there. He added shading over the over the picnic tables we added. We added a dog walking station there, which was something that visitors had requested. We added a water bottle bottle refilling station digital screens. And then we really improved the appearance there as well. So we added a new, a new sign. And inside we did a lot of cosmetic renovations to the visitor center, adding a lot of wood paneling to give it kind of that rustic look. And new floors and and we invested quite a bit in landscaping as well. The Visitor Center also has a lot of apple trees, including two apple trees that were from saplings that we received as a gift from Ohio, years back from the original from an original last remaining Johnny Appleseed tree. And planted it’s called a Rambo tree. That’s the variety of apples. And so we made some improvements to the apple trees in the landscaping and throughout the visitor center again, all of it with a goal of trying to improve the visitor experience and also to make it more inclusive. And to better tell the story of North Central Massachusetts. And again, this was so all aligned with our regional economic development plan that identified tourism as priority sector as a way we can grow that and as the as the visitor center as like a really key piece of that infrastructure in the supporting the tourism economy here in West Central Massachusetts that we could improve to help build up our economy here around tourism in the region.

Brandon Burton 34:46
And I like that you’d said the giant Apple, the photo op for tourism to come through there and take pictures and I think it’s a great idea to be able to provide something like that as a tour. Just attraction because it ends up getting shared out on social media, it gets amplified. Oftentimes they’ll tag where they are, you know, at the location they were at when they took the picture. Yeah,

Roy Nascimento 35:09
it’s great. Those types of those types of photo ops are really popular. And we take really great pride and Johnny Appleseed Visitor Center, it’s really a very unique, we like to say it’s not your typical highway rest stop, you know, there there. This started again, back in the 90s. And there were I think, 15, or 16, State Highway visitor centers that were operated on a similar model, there were partnerships with local chambers, or local tourism groups convention is bureaus that would operate the visitor centers in partnership with the state. And unfortunately, a lot of them have have gone out of business they closed. And there’s really no state funding per visitor center. So so the organization really has to operate it and funding, again, provide all the staffing, and most of the costs, most of the expenses are covered by our organization. And we’ve been able to, we’re successful on just being able to keep the doors open and run this visitors very successful Visitor Center, we’ve also again, been able to make it into a very new destination, we want to continue our vision is to be the best Visitor Center in Massachusetts and really tell that story. And it’s great that we’ve gotten some national attention. We were, we were there was a story in by the BBC, about our visitor center, there was a story on our local television is a Boston, Boston television station called WC TV, Channel Five. And they have this is very popular program called Chronicle, which is kind of a lifestyle and Tourism Program, they came out and did a story on the visitor center as a very unique destination. So so we’re not your typical restaurant up, we’re not your typical Visitor Center, we’re really trying to make it more of a destination. And by virtue of making a destination, we’re helping to showcase the region.

Brandon Burton 37:09
Yeah, I think you guys are on the right track with it for sure. I was curious, as far as the vision for the revitalization, and like the actual aesthetics in there, and the displays and the wood paneling, those sorts of things that you described. Did you have some consultant that offered suggestions on those those improvements? Or was it a committee within the chamber? Or how did that unfold? Yeah,

Roy Nascimento 37:35
a lot of it was, was it was combination. So a lot of it was staff driven. So we do have a full time visitor center manager, so she she knew what, you know, visitors were requesting, the amenities they were looking for. And she had a kind of a wish list of what you’d like to add there to help support, you know, give give these visitors great positive experience when they were coming to the visitor center. So but we also didn’t check in with with members over the years, we brought in some members of our board that specialize in retail, and we have a small gift shop there as well, that sells local items. And so we brought them in and had had some retail experts come in and how do we how do we improve this experience for visitors? And how do we how do we get them to to purchase more local products there, because that’s helping to tell the story of the region, and also, again, generate some income to help us support the visitor center. So a variety of different input from different stakeholders. We also had a member who is in, in in the construction and developing area. And so he volunteered his time and gave us a lot of pre pre work and kind of helping us figure out some initial costs and things of that nature. And then we do operate this again, we operate the visitor center, and it is on state property. And we have to get approval from our state highway department. And in our initial plans, we had to scale down because there were some things that they just weren’t comfortable with. And they didn’t want us wanted to expand, expand the visitor center, it’s opened down a wall give us more space. So we can have more displays, historical displays. They were very uncomfortable with any kind of construction. Or like if you start knocking down walls and we have this whole process you have to go through and we actually also wanted to add a small playground on the grounds and they were concerned about liability on kids using the playground. So we had a we had a kind of Nick’s that having a playground to the grounds of the visitor center. But you know, but they were still great partners. They were really they believed in our vision and were very supportive of the project and we were able to get it done and I’m really proud of the visitor center and the impact it’s having on region.

Brandon Burton 39:55
Yeah, sounds great. Well, Roy as we start to wrap things up Yuri, I wanted to ask you if, for listeners, if there was any tip or action items that you might suggest for listeners who are interested in taking their chamber up to the next level.

Roy Nascimento 40:10
So I think I think I’m gonna give the same advice I gave last time two years ago, and that’s to be entrepreneurial. And really, it was the advice I was given by my predecessor. And it’s really looking at your, your community, your region, what are the needs there? What are the challenges? Now? How can the chamber help with those challenges for us here, I talked about lending, you know, that was, and that was something that was missing here, you know, and, and the Chamber was really able to fill that void and become kind of that alternative lender helping to provide startup businesses with that capital and that technical assistance they needed. And that has evolved over the years and but it’s been able to, to help us provide have an impact here in the region, and, and the tourism stuff, you know, we that was was a gap, you know, that was an opportunity. And we saw that, that’s a way we could diversify our economy. And so we stepped in and have been able to provide great leadership there, and helping to drive our economy and transform our economy here and in North Central Massachusetts. So, you know, be entrepreneurial, find out how you can best help your members, I’m always amazed when I listen to your podcast, you’re about chambers to all kinds of impactful things. And what might work in one community might not work in my community, but I’m always able to learn about it. And I’m always amazed at the ability of these chambers to be able to adapt, flexible, and be nimble and be entrepreneurial, to serve their members and to have an impact in their communities. And so I think that’s important.

Brandon Burton 41:50
Very good. So I like asking everyone as I have him on the show about the future of chamber. So I know I asked him a couple of years ago, but how do you see the future of chambers and their purpose going forward?

Roy Nascimento 42:02
So I think it goes back to our roots, you know, I think we’re, if you look back at chambers, chambers, we’re always those those we are by our very nature, we’re a big network of businesses in the community that come together, to have an impact and community to advance the community. That’s our mission statement is to advance in one central Massachusetts and, and so I think it’s going back to your roots just looking at I think a lot of chambers have become transactional, they focus on the networking and networking is important, we do a lot of networking, but don’t lose sight of your mission. And that’s really to promote the community. And that whether it be through advocacy, or economic development, through through events, you know, whatever it is, it’s don’t lose sight of that mission. And I think it’s getting, it’s providing that that leadership in the community. And that’s, that’s the future we’re seeing chambers continue to evolve. And it’s kind of going back to, to our roots being those organizations that provide a leadership in the community. And that really helped to drive the economy and, and helping their communities think about, about change and leadership and the future.

Brandon Burton 43:12
That’s awesome. Yeah, the mission is important and keeping you know, those roots close by so you remember why you’re there and, and let that chart your course. Well, Roy, I wanted to give you an opportunity to share any contact information for listeners who want to reach out and connect with you maybe take up your offer on learning how to provide loans and in access to grants like you guys are doing, what would be the best way for for someone to reach out and connect?

Roy Nascimento 43:41
Sure. So first off, our website is NorthCentralMass.com. So all my contact information is on the website. Again, that’s NorthCentralMass.com. And I can also be reached the email at rnascimento@northcentralmass.com. Or by by phone call me anytime 978-353-7600 extension 225, it’s 978-353-7600, extension 225. And what I love about our industry is that we’re always wanting to help each other. And I’ve had a lot of chamber execs that have friends and mentors that I’ve always been able to have always been willing to take my phone call and and provide advice and support. So feel free to reach out to me anytime.

Brandon Burton 44:34
Awesome. So I will get your contact information in our show notes for this episode as well. So listeners can look it up there and connect with you. But Roy, I’ve enjoyed having you back on chamber chat podcast and catching up with you and hearing more of the great things you guys are doing there in North Central Massachusetts. So thank you for for joining us and congratulations. Congratulations to you and your team again, being selected as chamber the year finalist, and I wish you guys the best of luck.

Roy Nascimento 45:03
Thank you, Brandon. It’s been it’s been great. And hopefully this was helpful and it’s really an honor thank you for the opportunity to be.

Brandon Burton 45:10
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Pearland Chamber-2023 Chamber of the Year Finalist with Jim Johnson

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Our guest for this episode is Jim Johnson. Jim has worked in the chamber industry for over 12 years and is currently the President CEO of the Pearland Chamber of Commerce in Texas. In his role, he oversees the daily operations, strategic planning and partnerships with multiple community organizations. Jay Jim came from Georgetown, Texas, where he was president and CEO of the Georgetown Chamber of Commerce. Prior to Georgetown, he was the president and CEO for the Lufkin Angelina County Chamber of Commerce and the Lufkin Angelina Economic Development Partnership. He started his chamber career as the Vice President with the Pearland chamber. He currently serves as faculty for the US Chamber of Commerce Institute organizational management program, and as the Chair for the Texas Chamber of Commerce executives. He previously served on the board of directors for WACE and for the Texas Association of Business. He holds a bachelors of arts and history and a minor in Political Science from Texas State University. Jim is a CCE from ACCE and IOM designation as well from the US Chamber of Commerce. He was recognized as a 40 under 40 in 2021 by ACCE and Jim is married to his wife, Jasmine and they have one son, but Jim, I’m excited to have you back on the podcast before we hit record, we realized that you were you were on the podcast way back in episode 22. And as this releases we’re on 232 now so it’s been a minute but wow. Yeah.

Jim Johnson 3:48
That’s so congratulations to you, Brandon. I mean, that’s, you know, we’re, you know, still going strong and still great resource out there for the chamber profession.

Brandon Burton 3:55
Well, that was the hope that was the hope when it started and it’s still going so love to give you an opportunity, Jim to to say hello to everybody listening and to share something interesting about yourself so we can all get to know you a little better.

Jim Johnson 4:09
Yeah, that’s great. I glad to be here. Glad to be back here on the chamber chat podcast. Something interesting always is a US palsy go what is something interesting? I will say I’m in Pearland Texas, it’s interesting to me is that it though it’s a town about a fruit. I was thinking today I can’t think of a single place in town where there is a pear tree even though we are parallel and so maybe it’s not interesting about me but interesting about the town I’m in right now. So we’ll go with that.

Brandon Burton 4:43
Yeah, that’s good. Sounds like a project for the chamber.

Jim Johnson 4:46
Yeah, right. You know, I thought about and I’d like to do pear trees even grow in parallel and so to be determined for for Chamber Chat Podcast when I come back and another 100 or so

Brandon Burton 4:57
that’s right. That’s right. Well, we’ll get an appt and see how big those trees are then. Yeah. Well tell us a little bit about that parallel Chamber of Commerce, the size staff Scope of Work budget, that sort of thing to kind of set the stage for our discussion today.

Jim Johnson 5:12
Wonderful. The Pearland Chamber of Commerce is a town located directly south of Houston, Texas, our northern border is the South border of Houston, Texas. We are a have been a fast growing community that times rated one of the fastest growing in the United States, and continues to be a growing in our business in our population. Our chamber has a annual budget of over $700,000 a membership that this year eclipsed the 700 mark. And I have a great team with me. And we have including, myself six full time staff members.

Brandon Burton 5:57
All right, that definitely helps kind of prepare us for our conversation. I like to think, you know, these programs that we’ll talk about as a chamber of the year finalists should be able to be scaled up or down depending on the size of the chamber and the community. And, of course, the relevancy for your community as well. So thank you for for sharing all that. The way I like to structure these chamber, the year finalist episodes is to really spend the majority of our time focused in on the two programs that were submitted on your chamber the year application. So what I like to do is just at a high level, have you explain what the two programs are? And then we can circle back and dig a little deeper into both of them. Wonderful.

Jim Johnson 6:40
Yeah. It’s always a great process going through the ACCE chamber the year because when you get that notification that you’re a finalist, you pause and think what are the two projects that we really want to focus on in showcase and for us to really stood at the front. The first one was a local opportunity to engage with the public sector and our local city council on a proposed fee proposed storm water fee that was designed to help solve our drainage issues. But during the discovery, and I know we’re talking about this more we uncovered, businesses weren’t aware of the fee. They weren’t engaged in the process. So over a period of time, we engage with our local public City Council, to educate them on the impact of the fee on the businesses to remove that fee from consideration and to move them towards a bond study. That was a bond study and a bond to really have a true solution to drainage, and our community. And our second one focused on workforce related to the large amount of people being a suburb of Houston, that leave Portland every day for work. And with unemployment under 4%. In our community, we recognize that one of the best ways to fill jobs in parallel in was to showcase the jobs to local residents, and created a comprehensive resource board of career opportunities in our community. That wasn’t your traditional hey, here’s a job posting allowing folks to interact with companies allow them to search jobs. And on the flip in, allow the employers to tap into and see the job, the applicants in our community as well.

Brandon Burton 8:40
Awesome. Now two very worthwhile programs and interested to learn more about both of them. First of all, we’ll take a quick break and then we’ll come back and dig in deeper on both of those.

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Brandon Burton 12:19
All right, Jim, we’re back. So you kind of piqued my interest when you said a storm water fee. Like we’re who comes up with ideas to charge people for storm water? Like, how does this come to be? And then to pick a fight with the Chamber of add it right?

Jim Johnson 12:36
Yeah, um, you know, Pearland is a, we’re a coastal community. And after Hurricane Harvey, in 2017. It, our community recognized that we needed to be more proactive with drainage. And throughout this local elected officials uncovered a way to do a storm water fee. And what that was, was a charge on impervious coverage in our community, a monthly ongoing fee per 1000 square feet of impervious coverage. And that doesn’t sound like a large amount. And so it was just kind of dripped to us in conversation, and it perked our ears that council had taken action to place this. This was in August of the year that it was gonna be placed on the ballot for voter approval the next May. So about 10 months down. And over time, we learned this is a no clue. And that that small fee of $1.79 per 1000 square foot adds up over a period of time for the average business that had 10,000 square feet is gonna be a little over $200 a year. But as we dug deeper into this and started talking to businesses and started pulling our members and gaining and listening to them about the impact. It wasn’t just $200 for some companies, it was $10,000 For some it was $100,000 a year. For some it was over $400,000 a year, every year forever. Right. And we listened and that was shocking and alarming to us in our businesses.

Brandon Burton 14:13
Yeah, and so often once a fee like that is in place like you say it never will go away and and oftentimes it may even increase over time. It’s like you’re already getting some let’s go back to the well and get some more like all these water analogies that the information is drip to you going back to the well, storm.

Jim Johnson 14:34
You’re absolutely right. And that was we realized that that was a concern. And we wanted a true solution to drainage in our country. We don’t want our residential and our businesses to flood and in the event of natural disasters. So it started a true education process and information gathering for the chamber. As we looked at the overall impact this would have On our businesses, and then the challenge of trying to educate counsel on the impact would have businesses, it was a five two vote in favor to place this on the May ballot in August of that year. And I’m proud to port Brandon by over a course of time. In February of that year, we’ve we changed that to a seven Oh, vote against the storm water fee being placed on the May ballot, and to move towards a bond study, which would lead to a community wide bond, which would be a more comprehensive solution to drainage in our community.

Brandon Burton 15:38
Yeah, that’s, that’s two big wins right there. Because just by having it ended up on the ballot, you know, to be able to have, you know, propose for businesses to pay for this. If you’re not a business owner, and you’re like, yeah, let them pay for it, you know, it’s off my plate, if I could see it very easily passing that way. But to be able to shift it as a bond, where everybody has buy in, in the community, really is much more equitable way of approaching it anyway. So as far as the bond process goes, did you guys go about educating the community about it? Because it was a big win with Ryan? So what was that process? Like?

Jim Johnson 16:17
Absolutely. So you know, we we over that that first initial period are asked to council was to postpone the storm water fee, and to do a bond study. The bond study, what was nice about us being proactive in this public engagement, is that the chamber it was a close committee of a roughly 11 individuals, and two of those people on that bond scope committee, were appointed by the Chamber of Commerce. So we had a seat at the table allowed us to share the impact on it. And over that that bond study group came back with a little over $100 million storm water bond, our largest bond package related to drainage projects in our community, the Chamber came out fully supported that package, because bonds, those tax rate increases was smaller than the original storm water fee, and over a period of time would be paid off, and would not be forever. And then on May 9 of this year, that bond related to drainage pass with 65% voter approval in our community. So it was a great win in a lot allowed us to truly work with our public sector. And, and live up to what we say we want to our tagline is, we’re the voice of business. But we have to speak up for business. And we it’s comforting to know that when we were at Council multiple times talking to about this, the room was packed, and it was business leaders in there. Some of them don’t have a vote in our committee because their businesses here, but they live in another community. And that was humbling, but spoke volume for our credibility as a convener of individuals throughout parallel.

Brandon Burton 18:00
Yeah, no, that is awesome. That visual of having a roomful of business owners saying, hey, this, this matters to us. That’s absolutely Oh, that’s awesome. But let’s, let’s shift gears a little bit into the other program that you guys submitted work in parallel. And you kind of gave a little bit of background on that. But maybe go back to some of that origin of you see people, you know, leaving and going into Houston to work and things of that nature. How did how did that evolve to be the program that it is today?

Jim Johnson 18:33
Absolutely. So our chamber in partnership with our economic development corporation or higher ed partners or workforce issues, did a comprehensive Workforce Strategy. During this input about what our workers were doing what was taking place, a stat stood out to the chamber. And it was that 38,942 workers commute outside of our community every single day. So we’re losing roughly 40,000 people. At the same time, we recognize our unemployment was less than 4%. So we have low unemployment, but mass exodus of people going into the fourth largest city of the United States for work. And so we wanted to showcase careers and opportunities in our community. And it actually started with a business trying to convince the chamber to buy a massive billboard on a major highway. They say stop driving on your road work in parallel. And it sparked interest in our staff and our board and our leaders to say how can we show folks to work in parallel and so we started researching different platforms for job postings spraying and you know, I mean, you can turn on the radio or anything. There are lots and lots of companies out there that focus on job postings, and we wanted to find a way that we could do it differently in our community to be hyper focused on jobs in parallel. And so that was the creation of work in parallel, which is a free standing standalone website. That is comprehensive job board, an employer Resource Center. So what we mean by that is you can go there and see over 200 job postings at any given moment. But also, if you’re an employer going there, we want you to come to this site, because we can highlight resources that are beneficial to you grants, training opportunities, childcare for your employees, so they can know were going on. But even better, you can look at all the applicants that are on the site, all those job seekers that are on there, and you can engage with them. This is 24/7 Metaverse, ability to interact schedule interviews, chat, share information, all through a virtual platform, all focused on pair land, and all absolutely free to businesses in our community. Because if we can move that needle and fill jobs, we can truly make an impact and see that large, almost 40,000 People start to work here locally.

Brandon Burton 21:09
That’s right. I like that. And it’s a two sided part with the website. So you get the job seekers, you know, with the job boards, and they can put, you know, fill out applications and whatnot. But to be able to track the employers there with these things, like you said, the grants and resources and everything for them. And then while they’re in there, they’re just kind of that stickiness factor of let’s see what else is in here, you know, resource wise, including, you know, workers, you know, staff. So I think that the billboard idea that that is interesting with that, you know, the origin there, it’s like, yeah, that that can be impressive. Like, you don’t need to convince anybody that a commute is terrible, right.

Jim Johnson 21:50
And that’s what’s great, Brian, I mean, you’re so this the platform, we chose what I remember, when we were researching platforms, this one you go to, and it’s it reminds you of a virtual trade show. I mean, that’s what we created an ongoing 24/7 virtual trade show. But what’s great is when you log into the site, the first thing you see is the exterior of the country, the virtual Convention Center. And there are billboards all over the place. And we’re like, that is our platform that we’re choosing for this site. And he talked about commuting, and part of the conversation that we uncovered during our research is that the average commuter spends 45 minutes one way in their car. And so we dug into that if you work locally, it’s about 15 minutes. So that’s 30 minutes, both ways. If you commute twice a day, we uncover that that leads to about 240 hours a year that you spend commuting, and I can do math, but 30 divided by eight, that’s 30 days, or 240 divided by eight, that’s 30 days, you get back, or 10 full days, so 30 working days, or 10 full days, you get back by working and living in the same community. And and that’s part of our message to folks is like, yes, you might want to spend time in your car, I don’t, I want you working in parallel at these great companies. And that’s what it does. It’s ongoing showcase of these great career opportunities for talented people.

Brandon Burton 23:17
Ya know, I love it when people are in cars listening to this podcast. But other than that, it’s a it’s not a fun thing to have to commute a long commute like that. And so with the work imperiling website and I’m intrigued, just because you said like, there’s a lot of companies out there that focus on, you know, hiring needs, right and matching employees with employers. So to be able to make this different and unique and targeted for parallel? And what are some of those things that are really driving traffic to it that are getting that attention that are making it stand up and above what other sites might be out there? And because I imagine some of these job seekers are probably on, you know, some of these other sites as well, in addition to work in parallel and but what makes it stand out in your opinion?

Jim Johnson 24:08
Yeah, a couple different things. Your absolute we’re competing with major companies in recruiting, we’re trying to showcase a job board when companies out there spending millions of dollars in marketing. What was the for our screen, this is the first time that we’ve gotten into Google advertisements in targeted that so we’re trying to be very proactive, like our businesses are in place ads, but actually what makes this stand out is we’re getting community wide buy in, in this process, or school districts or cities or elected officials are out there utilizing this message of work in parallel and.com And because by getting their involvement and recognizing to make it success, we need our major employers and our major stakeholders to show it out. That’s how it stands out. And We are seeing every month that this man has established astonishing growth. Like I mentioned earlier, over 200 jobs posted on the site at any given time, nearly 1000 applicants are already on the site looking for jobs interacting. It’s, it’s, it’s exciting. It’s, it’s our first, we’ve always had a job board. And I think that’s you what chambers can do, you’ve always had a job board, it’s been known as a member benefit, you can post your jobs on your website, we flipped that narrative and said, This is a community benefit. This isn’t just for you to post your jobs. This is a community wide benefit to know that if you’re looking for a career in our town, all the major companies are on it, all the major stakeholders, you go to one place and find all of their jobs. But the second fold, is it always the booths, the interactive side of it, you can learn about these companies. So you might not find a job with XYZ company right now. But you can learn about their culture, their benefits, their resources, and guess what, if you can interact with them, say, Hey, I’m in your community. Now, when there’s an opening that fits my skill set, I’d love to chat with you about more.

Brandon Burton 26:08
Yeah, and I just pulled up work in Portland website while you’re talking and, and I see you’ve got some of the major employers in your community that are sponsors of the website, and what a great way for them to get in front of these people who are job seekers to sponsor the website, be their front, you know, front and center, and help make some of those connections.

Jim Johnson 26:31
And, you know, the Chamber Leadership, our board through this process is we live our mission to serve business, promote growth and empower our community recognize that this is, it is it is non dues revenue for us, it is that we do have sponsors, as you mentioned, but we believe this is the lane we need to being going forward, we need to be the hub of information, we need to share this data that we have of careers, and send that back out to our community because the success of this is yes, we’re interacting with our businesses, we’re gonna fill their jobs. But the majority of our audiences, the community at large, an area that chambers traditionally don’t get into, unless it was a festival, this is our lane to say, This is why we exist. And we’re here to help our businesses by showcasing those shops.

Brandon Burton 27:17
Right. I love it. So you had mentioned kind of at the beginning of that part of the discussion that the in parallel, you had like a 4% unemployment rate. It makes it too early now to be able to see the change. Like I know, this is all pretty new. But yeah, it’d be interesting to follow that and see, you know, gee, bring it down to 1%. Or yeah, how does it right, and

Jim Johnson 27:38
that’s the greatest. Yeah, that’s the greatest thing about this, this this site is the we’re able to use metrics, we want to see that percentage of unemployment continue to go down, we want to see the next time we do a comprehensive study on commuting patterns that we want to see less folks commuting outside our thing. We want our companies to continue to see applicants come from our local area, we want to see continue to see people hired through our site and current or awareness of jobs in here. That’s that’s the approach is we have great companies, we’re a large community in the Houston area, and we need to showcase those jobs and get those individuals to live and work here so that ultimately their quality of life goes up to.

Brandon Burton 28:21
That’s right. I love it. It’s a great vision, and you guys are executing very well. So great job. As we start to wrap things up here, I like to see, you know, for those listeners who are out there, who are really interested in taking their chamber up to the next level, what tips or action items might you have to offer to help them in accomplishing that goal?

Jim Johnson 28:45
Yeah, I, I, this whole journey for us, was very strategic. And I think too often people look at strategic planning data. As a, as something that is scary or not what they should be doing it, I wouldn’t encourage and say it should be required that if you don’t have a strategic plan and a roadmap, not staff, that is truly as a not staff driven staff should be driven on driving it. But that’s, that has community wide support that has your stakeholders in your community and your board involved. That will allow you to continue to be a catalyst in your community. And if we hadn’t had a goal of two years ago to get 75 job postings on our website, and to recognize then that it was working but it wasn’t meeting that need to modify that to look at third party sites. We wouldn’t be having this conversation today Brandon about work in parallel. And so get a get a strategic plan and get a roadmap so that you can see truly be a a chamber that is moving in the right direction?

Brandon Burton 30:04
Yeah, no, I think that that’s so important. You need to know where you’re going right? You need to have goals need to be able to have that clear mission and vision. As we look forward to the future of chambers of commerce, how do you see the future of chambers and their purpose going forward?

Jim Johnson 30:20
I think chambers, I think engaging with the public sector is so important of the future. And it’s not always advocacy, I think, as you engage and truly work with the public, the community, in your community, is that we have to recognize that we have to be involved with more than just what we do. And if we do that, you’re going to uncover more opportunities for your chamber to be a problem solver. Because they’re gonna look at us for those those issues, and ask us to step up, and if it aligns with what our community needs, what our chamber needs. That that’s the future, we’re gonna we saw that during the pandemic, you’ve had many podcasts talking about, chamber stepping up. In that area, during the pandemic, we build on that momentum, continue to be the person continue to be the trusted resource for information, truly, truly the trusted problem solver and community. And we want to say we do that. But you got to engage with the public sector, your elected officials, your community partners, your stakeholders to really make that happen.

Brandon Burton 31:37
Absolutely. That’s a great vision. And I like the idea of aligning your organization with those needs in your community. And I think that goes right along with your idea of having that strategic plan and, and that that needs to be part of it is being in alignment going forward. Well, Jim, I’d like to give you an opportunity to share any contact information for listeners out there who might want to reach out and connect and learn more about how you guys are doing things, or maybe to do a little R&D with working in Pearland, and what would be the best way for them to reach out and connect with you?

Jim Johnson 32:14
Sure. I’d always encourage people to go to their website, PearlandChamber.org, because you’ll find under our staff section, my email, and my LinkedIn profile link either ways to connect, but because we’re on a podcast, and people can pause and make sure they write it down appropriately. It’s jim.johnson@pearlandchamber.org. And Brandon, I always think you at the beginning because you knew this a Pearland and not pearl. And that those that would I know, it’s the sales call, because they think we’re the land of pearls. But like I said, we’re the land of pears. asterik not really

Brandon Burton 32:48
fruitless pears, right.

Jim Johnson 32:51
There are a lot of those fruitless pear trees here that, but I don’t think that was your original idea with the message.

Brandon Burton 32:56
That’s right. That’s right. So I’ll get all that in our show notes for this episode makes it even easier to find you and reach out and connect. But I want to wish you and your team have first congratulations but wish you guys Best of luck as chamber the year and I look forward to seeing the results in about a month from now in Salt Lake.

Jim Johnson 33:18
Yes, sir. Thank you, Brandon for hosting me again. Thanks for bringing me back on and let’s make sure it’s not 210 episodes before the next time we do this together.

Brandon Burton 33:26
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Talent Attraction with Sarah Davasher-Wisdom

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Our guest for this episode is Sarah Davasher-Wisdom. Sarah has served as President and CEO of Greater Louisville Inc since January 2020. Sarah has been with goI since 2014. Rising from leading July’s government affairs activities as Vice President of Government Affairs, to now as president CEO. GeoEye was named National chamber of the year in 2019. Personally, Sarah’s also been the recipient of several notable awards at the local, regional and national levels. Sarah has held previous roles in government and public policy including manager of Government Affairs for Tennessee Valley Authority, Strategic Communications Officer for the US Army Corps of Engineers, and Community Development Coordinator for Congressman Lewis. She serves on the boards of several local organizations as well as on the US chambers committee of 100. Sarah is the first woman and youngest person to serve as president and CEO of GLA. Sarah, I’m excited to have you with us today on Chamber Chat Podcast, I’d love for you to take a moment to say hello to all the Chamber Champions that are out there listening and share something interesting about yourself so you can get to know you a little better.

Sarah Davasher-Wisdom 3:13
Oh, hello, Brandon. I’m excited to be on the chamber podcast as well. Then looking forward to this conversation. I think that that bio certainly said a lot about me. So thank you for reading that so eloquently. But the real story goes beyond that. And you know, a lot of people will say what’s something that people don’t know about you or what something that tells more about you personally, and I always like to share that my husband and I are serious ballroom dancers. Between the two of us. We have 50 years of dance experience. And it’s how we met. So we’ve been dancing together for 10 years of which will actually 11 years we’ve been married for 10. And that’s something that not a lot of people do. And not a lot of people know. And it’s something that we’ve continued. Despite any sort of changes in career or relocations, or anything else that we have done, we’ve always remained committed to our dancing.

Brandon Burton 4:09
Awesome. That is, it’s great that you guys have been able to keep that up and have that common bond together. And that that interests. So thank you. I like learning these tidbits about people as we have them on the show and learn those facts that so I had mentioned to you before we started recording, but this is a first for me to have. Three, you’re the third person from Greater Louisville Inc. to be on Chamber Chat Podcast. First time, I’ve had three of any organization on the podcast, which speaks volumes to the great work and impact you guys are having that you keep rising to the top to have different members of the organization on the on the show. But for those that are Thank you, yeah, yeah, for sure. So Those who’ve been listening to the podcast since the beginning. may remember at Kent Oyler on back in 2019. When you guys were Chamber the Year finalists and won Chamber the Year and more recently had Jordan Clemons on talking about using LinkedIn to grow membership and they both are fantastic episodes so encourage anybody to go back and listen but I just I mentioned that because those longtime listeners may be a little bit familiar with with GLI, but for those who may not be just give us a little synopsis, I guess about what GLI is all about, you know size, the Chamber staff budget, scope of work, that sort of thing, just to set the table for our discussion.

Sarah Davasher-Wisdom 5:43
Sure, well, Greater Louisville Inc. We have a staff of about 30 people. And we serve about 1800 members. We are also the Regional Chamber and we are by state so we cover 15 counties, five in Indiana and 10 in Kentucky. We’ve got everything from Fortune 500 companies located here to small retailers and suppliers. We are the home of Humana, and UPS Airlines. And those are two of our biggest companies here. Our main goal was to grow the regional economy. And we do that in several ways through traditional economic development, talent attraction, advocacy and DNI. So our goal is to do all of those things in the best way possible to make our region the strongest for growth. So that’s a little bit about GLI we have a great team, our budget is 5.7 million.

Brandon Burton 6:38
Very good. So you touched on one of the things that we’ll focus our conversation on today. And as you mentioned, those focuses of your work, one being talent attraction. And I’m excited to dive in a little bit deeper and learn about how GLI goes about talent attraction. I know that’s a hot topic for chambers across the country. And you’re so kind to share some of the tips and strategies you guys are using there in Louisville. So we will dive into that conversation much deeper since we get back from this quick break.

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Brandon Burton 10:01
All right, Sarah, we’re back. As I mentioned before the break, we’re focusing our discussion today about how you guys are focusing your work around talent attraction. And I know there’s different approaches, you know, chambers go about this work in different ways. But I’d like to learn a little bit more and have you share how how you guys are GLI are going about talent, attraction, and really making your economy there is something that’s really thriving. And I know you’ve mentioned the DE&I efforts as well. And it is a very diverse community as well. And I think that plays into talent attraction. So I anticipate that those two will overlap a little bit. But I don’t want to steal your thunder. So I’ll hand it over to you to to share how you guys are going about this work?

Sarah Davasher-Wisdom 10:47
Sure, well, I’m really excited about our talent attraction programming, because we’ve had a lot of cities come to learn more about it, because they want to replicate it. So it really has been one of those. One of those things that we are known for in Louisville, our program is called Live in Lou and we developed it in 2016, to really show what it was like to live work and play in the greater Louisville region. And the platform itself showcases all of the assets that really differentiate us as a community, we highlight the availability of good jobs and career opportunities, the quality of life and the sustainability, to raise a family and the suitability to raise a family I should say. And then the ability to make a difference. And the reason that we highlight those three things is because in 2016, we did a lot of data, a lot of research into why people want to live in our community. And those were the three reasons. So we target our marketing around those three reasons. And one of the places that people go to learn about a community is on social media. So we use our website and our social media channels to promote feel good stories about the community, new businesses, opening up favorite restaurants. Because we have a fantastic culinary scene here. It’s one of the things that people love to visit for. We also showcase restaurants and festivals. So those are some of the things we really try to highlight. We have also been doing private label campaigns for companies under our live in loop programming. And we basically will look at where there isn’t what jobs are needed for that company. And then where there is an area in the country or even internationally, where that skill set exists and may not be paid as well there as it is here in Louisville. And so then we can geofence and do some targeted marketing, highlighting those things I mentioned earlier, and really go out and connect the the job seeker or the potential low avillion to the job opportunity. And we can use the marketing from the company itself. So it’s a really innovative way for us to recruit individuals to move here to work for a specific company. So it helps our community because we’ve got residents moving in, and it also helps our companies. I love

Brandon Burton 13:10
that name that Lou avillion that just that flows. So well. I love it. Can you share with us some more about the geofencing? So how do you go about that and targeting the right people like the parameters you set on it? Certain radiuses maybe some people aren’t familiar with what geofencing is just give us a little bit of background on that.

Sarah Davasher-Wisdom 13:33
It’s really a technology that we pay for. So we identify what geography we would we would want to highlight usually by ZIP codes, and then the firm actually does the geofencing. But it’s basically a way that you can put information on phone like you’re capturing phone data so that then you can advertise. Because when people are moving in and out of that zip code, you’re capturing that data out that makes sense.

Brandon Burton 14:01
Yeah, it does. Are you guys identifying specifically people that don’t live in Louisville currently that based on the phone data, so when they come and visit or pass by or how does that? How does that

Sarah Davasher-Wisdom 14:15
yes, we definitely are targeting out of town people so that we can get them to move here and and maybe because our goal was talent attraction, we don’t have enough people here in Louisville to fill the open jobs. And so that’s why we’re trying to really focus on talent attraction. We’ve grown the social media channels from 200 followers to 53,000 followers in five years. So there really is a lot of momentum to live in Lou. And then we also have a group of volunteers that we call city champs. It’s kind of a human Welcome Wagon to help people get connected to the interest that they have in the region. The volunteers are incredibly passionate. Excuse me, and If they really want to showcase the best parts of our community and make connections, so the new residents kind of have a friend immediately, when they when they move here. So we train the city champs on all of the things in the community, it’s about a four hour training. And then they identify what interests they have. So we can put on our website that this person is a trained city champ, and this person is interested in interested in parks or ballet, or whatever the situation may be, so that when we have prospective residents interested in those same, those same things, then we can make that connection. And there’s automatically an interest in sharing information so that the person is more likely to relocate to

Brandon Burton 15:42
a level like that it kind of creates a friend, right? They come into the community. And as they’re saying, this reminds me when I was in high school, I moved across the country. And it was a kind of a traumatic thing as a junior in high school, across the country. But the new high school I went to, they had a program at the school where they would match another student up with new students to kind of show you around, and it made all the difference. So I see these these community are the city champs, these volunteers, really being able to be that tour guide of the city, you know, sharing some common interests, really helping to help these new people feel at home, I see that as being a key attribute to being able to really attract and retain these these new people to the community. You had mentioned I mean, the social media following is great. I mean, 253,000 followers is in that short amount of time is amazing. You had mentioned a few examples of some of the things that you’re doing on social media to leverage that and tell the stories of the little bill. Are there some examples that have really taken off that you’re aware of that, you know, I guess you could say have gone viral that they got more traction than other things on your social media stories.

Sarah Davasher-Wisdom 17:03
I think the real life stories of people that have followed live in lieu and actually move to the city have been the most powerful. And that, you know, those are like, really kind of rare, but also that doesn’t negate the success of the platform, it’s just that we don’t always have somebody love it so much that they post about it, you know, I think people often will look at it. And I think, oh, my gosh, this is amazing. But they don’t necessarily write a big story about it, we actually had a couple write a big magazine article about it. And that was that was really a thing that went crazy on social media, particularly locally, people were talking about it. Another thing that has really gotten a lot of media interest on our live and live platform is our newly launched workforce ecosystem hub. And it’s a compilation of all of the workforce development resources. So we have our talent attraction, part of living, Lou, but we also are trying to get people that aren’t working now into the workforce, or people helping them to upskill. And since 2014, when I first moved here, I was hearing about all of these different workforce development programs in the community. And I kept saying, Where is the one stop shop, like work, and I read about all of these in one place, and that that resource just didn’t exist. So there were a lot of programs that were going on utilized and not not utilized to their maximum potential, I should say. So we, for two years, we work to compile all of those resources. And we launched this ecosystem hub on the live and lose site. It’s liveinlou.com/work. And it has 245 organizations and their programs listed. We’ve got a portal for job seekers and a portal for employers, the employers can go on the site and identify any sort of training programs, some of which are free, and funded by the state actually funding from the state available that you can apply for on the site. And that that funding and those training programs are for their employees. So we have a manufacturer, they may be able to get funding to do a certain certain upskilling initiative, and all of that is listed on the site. It also includes different organizations that are helping to remove barriers to work so the employer can help identify those for the employee. A lot of HR offices will use it if they have an employee that’s having difficulty with transportation and or childcare availability. I mean, it’s childcare, transportation, all sorts of barriers that exist out there. And we have all these organizations in our community that are working to overcome them. And now there is one place that you can go and access that on the job seeker platform, you can still you can still see the barriers to work resources and because a lot of job seekers are, you know, trying to figure out ways to manage that themselves, but they also can apply for jobs on there and see what financial assistance may be available to do certifications or apprenticeships or going back to to get a college degree even. So, we’ve really taken a collaborative approach to all of this and worked with the organizations to make sure that the right information is being shared. And we’ve had a lot of hits on it. And the media has been going crazy about it locally, they’re calling it Google’s version of LinkedIn. So we’re excited about it. That is

Brandon Burton 20:36
great. As you’re given that explanation about how live in lieu works, and the job seekers and employers portals, the thought hit me why why do communities, you know, outsource to these big job seeking websites, when they have a chamber of commerce, who’s connected with employers know the needs know that those barriers, they really can give a kind of a white glove service to help match future employees with employers. So I love that how you guys have set this up and strategically having those are calling out what some of those barriers are, and approaches of how you guys are working to overcome those things. And community partners to help overcome those things. As a going about the job seekers, the employers on there, I imagine that you have a wide range of different employment opportunities. It’s not any one type of industry, obviously, but what are what’s kind of the the range of employment opportunities that you see happening through the live in lieu website,

Sarah Davasher-Wisdom 21:48
we’ve got everything from, you know, clerk position, to a nurse position, I mean, every sort of job imaginable is on there. We also with some of the jobs that we learn about some of the jobs that our employers post are also very skill specific, highly technical. And we do have a partnership where we can seek out those highly specific skills, because there are some jobs where you may only have a handful of people in the country that have the ability to do the job. And through a partnership with LinkedIn talent insights, we can seek out those individuals. And that’s more of a specific employer request. It’s not, I mean, they’re usually posted on live in lieu as well. But in those instances, it’s less likely that somebody with that skill set is going to be posting for a job, they probably they’re gonna wait for recruiters to call them. So we find them and call them.

Brandon Burton 22:45
Yeah, that was gonna be my next question. Because there’s those highly skilled labor that you need to kind of seek them out and, and maybe even try to take them from another company. And we won’t say that too loud. But that happens, right?

Sarah Davasher-Wisdom 23:02
Well, we don’t do that from local companies only when we’re trying to get people to move here.

Brandon Burton 23:07
That’s right. That’s right. Now just say this program, it seems like a real game changer, especially in the talent and workforce development space. Is there anything that we’re missing from the live in loop program that we haven’t touched on?

Sarah Davasher-Wisdom 23:23
Um, I would say that, you know, we do overcome objections to moving to Louisville sometimes. And this is where the DNI aspect of this comes in that you mentioned earlier. We in in 2020, we were the epicenter of the Breonna, Taylor, killing and the protests that followed that really showed us that we needed to expand our scope of work. So recruiting diverse talent has been a little bit more difficult. But since 2020, I have been saying all this time, this is also an opportunity for us to show that this time, it’s different and it should have been different every time before but we have to show that the business community is committed to creating an inclusive economy. So we have really expanded our work in the DNI space. And that helps our talent attraction initiatives. So some of the work that we do, and includes a minority business accelerator called power to prosper. We’re getting ready. We’re taking applications for our third cohort right now. And it provides small businesses with knowledge and resources and networks that will help their businesses scale. We also have during 2020 launch a racial equity pledge that identifies five different ways that companies can can make their business more inclusive. And that includes things like diversifying their vendor spend, creating a safe space for conversation ones that are about inclusion. It also includes hiring diverse talent. I mean, and we then with that pledge, we launched a toolkit. And I was, I was excited about the number of companies that signed the pledge, it was over 200 companies. But then I was also excited about the toolkit because the toolkit gave businesses, the tools, they needed to do that. So we didn’t just say, Hey, we’re signing this pledge, we also said, Now, here’s how you go and do these things that are in the pledge. And as our as an organization, we have diversified our own vendor spend in ways that we never thought possible, because we’ve been so intentional about it. And my hope is that every company that sign that pledge has been equally intentional, and that we’re seeing a lot more things have, or a lot of great things happen as a result. Another thing that we do, and then we started doing it 2020 is a procurement matchup event called power to prosper. I’m sorry, I’m forgetting the name of it. It’s not that’s the minority business accelerator. Progress through procurement is our procurement event. And we identify what needs companies have in our community. And then we bring in diverse vendors to and match them up. And then sometimes there’s still a contracting process involved, but it is helping both the employer that has this, this need for a vendor and then they they’ve been having trouble finding a diverse vendor. So then we’re connecting them to a diverse vendor, and hopefully good things come from that. So those are some of the things that we’ve done in the DNI space. And like I said, that also helps our talent attraction and helps our economy grow. And all of the things in a chamber seem to work together cohesively. And I like that about chamber work.

Brandon Burton 26:48
Absolutely. So one of the things that stood out to me is you mentioned that you guys are often involved with overcoming object objections. And occasionally certain objections will rise to prominence. But, and oftentimes, we don’t even hear about some of the objections. So how do you guys go about soliciting feedback of people that may be hesitant of moving to Louisville to understand what their objections might be? So you can address that and learn how to better maybe fine tune this program?

Sarah Davasher-Wisdom 27:18
Well, most of the time, the HR recruiters at our companies will tell us what the objections are. And that’s, that’s really our source of information. There are times that we’re talking with individuals directly, particularly when they’re those highly skilled individuals that we’re seeking out for employers. But most of the time, the HR managers will tell us what stories they’re hearing and a lot of it relates to Louisville, being in Kentucky, and people here, Kentucky and they think that we are not as sophisticated as a place they would like to live. And Louisville is actually very sophisticated. I mentioned earlier, we’ve got a great culinary scene. We’ve got all five types of art organizations. I mean, we really do have a fantastic city is a great place to live and not just a great place to raise a family. I mean, it certainly is that but I mean you can be single here and you can really have a fantastic life. It’s a fun place to be. So but Louisville often gets branded with Kentucky and the demographic and the psychographic of talent looking to relocate is looking for, you know, a city that’s fun and exciting. And Kentucky doesn’t have that brand nationally. Yeah.

Brandon Burton 28:33
Kentucky is a great state though. Okay, yeah. Is it beautiful? Yeah. Well, Sara, you’ve hit on some great points here. As far as talent attraction goes, and I’m sure people listening or are taking notes and seeing how they can make some tweaks to their own talent attraction programs. I’d like to ask if there maybe is any tip or action item that you’d like to share for listeners who are looking to take their chamber up to the next level? What might you suggest?

Sarah Davasher-Wisdom 29:05
Well, I would suggest getting your CCE I’m a big believer in the certified chamber executive program for several reasons. Number one, there is an application process that requires you to really get out there and give speeches and also sometimes like IOM counts. So that’s a training program where you’re networking with other chamber professionals. And through IOM and through CCE which came later for me, I’ve met so many incredibly smart people. And being able to reach out to those individuals being able to hear about their programming as I went through IOM and CCE really, really helped me to know different ideas and different ways to navigate community issues and different ways I could take Our chamber to the next level. And so as a result of my experience being so positive, I have said, anybody that goes through IOM has to commit to doing CCE as well. The CCE process, what I liked about that was beyond the application process that I just described with you, you get to meet so many people, you learn about their programs. There are there’s a body of literature that one has to read that really focuses on governance and finance and making sure the chamber is in good operational order. And I believe that’s incredibly important, because all of the programs that we talk about that are exciting. We can’t do if our chamber isn’t in good operational order. If we don’t have the money, we don’t have the right money in reserves for a catastrophe. I mean, there are all of these things that seem boring to a lot of chamber people, but they’re incredibly important to enabling that programmatic aspect that can be very exciting, and fun to be part of. So that would be the thing I would say, to take your chamber to the next level, because you’ll learn so much as you go through that process.

Brandon Burton 31:06
Absolutely. Anybody who’s been sitting on the fence debating whether or not to get over that hurdle, go go do it, go after your CCE apply, go through the process. And like Sarah said, there’s so much development that comes out of that to benefit your chamber, but also you professionally as you move on through your career. So Sarah, I like asking everyone I have on the show, as we look to the future of chambers of commerce, how do you see the future of chambers and their purpose going forward?

Sarah Davasher-Wisdom 31:37
Well, I see the purpose of Chambers as being incredibly important. And you know, I’ve heard speculation about this, but I believe in chambers very, very much. I think there is a role for chambers and the big community issues of the day. And we’re really starting to see that more and more. I mean, there is no other organization where you can go to and and say that they represent the voice of the business community chambers do that chambers, or that one stop shop you can go to and the people who enjoy being in the chamber world are just ready to help. And to say yes, attitude, and all of the big community issues that we’re so interested in. I mean, everybody wants to figure out how. And so I think that chambers are so so incredibly important. And I think that the people who work in chambers have a real passion for community growth. And it’s becoming a lifelong career for a lot of people. You see that more and more particularly at the CEO level of the chamber world. And I like to see that. I think that there are some incredibly smart chamber leaders out there and I enjoy talking to them frequently. I think chambers are really important to making sure community issues get solved.

Brandon Burton 32:55
Absolutely. I couldn’t agree more. And I I also agree with the scene, people who are making the chamber industry a profession, you know, it’s a career choice for people now, especially at the executive level. But we’re it’s not just a job in their community that gets filled because somebody needed a warm body, but it becomes something that they go after these trainings are IOM, they’re CCE and really develop and help take their community to the next level, which is what it’s all about. But Sarah wanted to give you an opportunity to share any contact information for listeners who might want to reach out and learn more about the living loop program and how you guys are doing things there at TLI. What would be the best way for people to reach out and connect with you?

Sarah Davasher-Wisdom 33:40
Sure, well, I’m happy to provide my email. It’s sdavasher@greaterlouisville.com. And my phone number is 502-625-0073 happy to talk with any chamber leaders about these programs or anything else bounce ideas off of each other. I’m always happy to connect.

Brandon Burton 34:02
Very good we’ll get that in our show notes for this episode as well so people can access that to connect with you. But Sarah, I want to thank you for spending time with us today here at chamber chat podcast provided a lot of value and some great things for listeners to think about and and see what how they can implement and take their chamber up to the next level and provide a new level of competition on the talent attraction front. I appreciate that.

Sarah Davasher-Wisdom 34:30
Happy to do it. Thank you.

Brandon Burton 34:32
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Addressing Childcare Needs with Kami Welch

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Our guest for this episode is Kami Welch. Cami is the president of the Arvada Chamber of Commerce at a 12 year chamber veteran. Kami has earned a reputation for developing strategic innovative opportunities for businesses and community growth. Cami is a US Chamber of Commerce talent pipeline fellow and a board member for WAC and the Association of Colorado Chambers of Commerce where she is past Chair camming also sits on the community boards for nonprofit organizations that focus on children education, homelessness, and domestic violence including family tree where she is a chair. Kami loves living in Colorado with her husband of 14 years and two young children where they enjoy hiking, skiing and exploring. Kami, we’re excited to have you with us today on chamber chat podcast. I’d love to give you a moment to say hello to all the chamber champions that are out there listening and share something interesting about yourself so you can get to know you a little better.

Kami Welch 2:02
Awesome. Thanks, Brandon. It’s an honor to be on with you. today. I’m excited to talk about a really important topic with everybody. I always struggle with this question about what’s interesting about me, I actually pulled my team to ask what is something that they thought was interesting about me. And we all agreed the the most interesting piece of my background is actually grew up ice skating, which doesn’t seem relevant to my current career, but it is because that was required early morning for a start time. After school. It was all about the conditioning, training and ballet and the cross training to be a good ice skater I actually had the same coach because I grew up in Oregon as Tonya Harding. So shared ice with her, which is interesting, but it’s hard. That was as a kiddo. I’ve appreciated the grit that that gave me that I’ve been able to carry through being a chamber leader.

Brandon Burton 2:51
Yeah, no, I liked that. I liked that you pulled your office suit, because it’s hard to come up with our own. Yeah, interesting facts about ourselves that that’s something they knew about you and it is unique. I don’t think we’ve had other ice skaters or do that have mentioned that on the podcast. So you’re one of a kind. So tell us about the Arvada Chamber of Commerce. Just to give us some perspective. Before we get into our discussion. Give us an idea of the size staff budget scope of work, that sort of thing, just to help set the table.

Kami Welch 3:21
Absolutely. So Arvada is located just west of Denver, so everybody knows where Denver is. We’re 10 minutes west of Denver, we actually share a border with Denver metro, our community size is about 120,000 people. We have about 3000 businesses in Arvada, we have about 500 Plus members of the chamber, which has been really exciting to see that our current team is six, but we’re growing to eight this year, we’ve had some awesome opportunities to increase revenue and grow our team alongside that which has been really an incredible opportunity to deliver on more work for our community. Our annual budget has doubled in the past year, which is crazy and exciting. So we historically were about a 500 to 550 $550,000 budget. This year, we’ll be coming in at about 1.2 million. And again, that’s because we’ve been able to identify ways to grow capital to do the work that’s so critical for our businesses.

Brandon Burton 4:17
Okay, so maybe we chose the wrong topic to focus on today. Let me just ask the question, what are you doing to increase revenue to double it like that?

Kami Welch 4:25
Yeah. So the reason that we did that is because our mission as an organization is to solve the most critical business challenges. And what we realized is that with a traditional business model, we didn’t have the capacity as an organization to take those challenges on. So our board looked at various options and decided to go forward with a five year strategic initiative capital campaign. So we actually worked with a company out of Atlanta called Power 10. And we did a feasibility study to really assess the need in our community, and if our businesses were willing to invest in solving their most critical challenges, so we ended up with a five year switch He took initiative that took on talents, housing, childcare, and to the business environment. And so we’re able to raise $2.5 million for the next five years to ensure that we can do the work that is required to actually have outcomes in these areas.

Brandon Burton 5:16
That is fantastic. Yeah. So that answers a question, at least on the surface level of everybody’s like, what are you doing to double your revenue? That’s awesome. So our our topic for conversation today is going to be around addressing childcare needs. As we look at the the economy in general, we see the workforce shortages and really just the economy in general has been rocked, you know, through the COVID pandemic and trying to come out of it. And one of those key questions to be able to help fix and stabilize the economy is addressing the childcare needs. So I’m excited to dive into that discussion with you and what you guys are doing there in about as soon as we get back from this quick break.

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All right, Kami, we’re back. So before the break, I had mentioned that the topic for today being around addressing childcare needs. What were some of those maybe key indicators or data that you guys saw that showed that this was a need to for you to chamber? It’s not typical chamber work? So how did how did that come to be that you guys saw? This is an area of focus?

Kami Welch 9:07
That’s a great question. And certainly one with a long history of feedback and engagement of our community and our businesses. But one of the things we do is on a quarterly basis, we run a business pulse survey and we asked similar questions. And then we sometimes throw in something or questions to make sure that we’re really understanding what’s happening with our businesses. And so every single time we’ve done that over the past seven years, talent is the number one issue always. And as we started to unpack our talent system and really understand all the moving parts and pieces, we understand that there’s not skill alignment, that there’s the lack of demand. But we had to dig deeper and ask why about 27 more times to really understand that there’s these other barriers that are happening in our community that are causing that talent shortage. What we uncovered and the reason why in our bold initiative that we mentioned earlier that we took on childcare and housing is because we recognize As as two of our biggest barriers to achieving the talent system that we really need, there is some crazy data that we’ve come across as we’ve dug into childcare. And to be honest, before we started taking this on in a meaningful way, I didn’t even realize what a huge issue this was. And I’ll rattle a little bit of data here, because I think it’s important. And I know you have listeners all over the country that are like, Oh, I wonder what that is for my state. So I’m gonna cite Colorado data. But it’s interesting to think about what other states are dealing with, and if it’s at the same degree, but one of the things that we thought was really interesting is that there was a Pew Research study, and they surveyed all sorts of people that were leaving jobs. And it was the number four reason in that study was childcare. So interesting, right? People are saying, I have to leave my job because I have nowhere for my kids to go. Colorado has the eighth highest cost of childcare in the country. So we know that that is a huge barrier for people that maybe aren’t making, you know, $100,000 a year, they can’t afford to put their kiddos in childcare. We know that in Colorado, 45,000, Colorado, parents are making career sacrifices due to child care. And 20% of our workforce needs childcare. So we’re starting to get a sense of Whoa, that’s a lot of people that are impacted by this issue in our community. What it really got alarming for us is when we started thinking about the supply of childcare facilities in that business model, which when you think through an economic development lens, that’s interesting, right? That’s like, Okay, this business model is struggling. So we know that we have what’s called the childcare desert. So in Colorado, we have one childcare spot for every three kids that need it. That’s wild. And there’s only one county in all of Colorado, where there’s enough spots for the kids that need it. And it’s not in the metro area, it’s probably very rural. Yeah, very, very rural. So really interesting data, my community alone needs well over 2000 additional spots to meet the demand. So taking a step back, and again, looking through that chamber economic development lens is saying, Okay, what’s going on here. So there’s some serious business model challenges, right, the cost of running a childcare facility is high, you think about the liability, the cost of real estate, the staffing that’s needed, there is a really difficult breakdown, these businesses are trying to achieve, they can’t pay their employees what they need to pay them. So they’re losing employees left and right, because they’re paying a minimum wage. But when you look at the business model, that’s all they can afford to pay them because they can’t have parents paying more than what they’re able to pay. So it’s a really interesting issue. And we’re recognizing more and more, that it’s going to take some really innovative solutions to overcome these challenges. But just looking at that data, it became crystal clear to us that there’s a huge issue. And there are ways we can influence making this system better.

Brandon Burton 12:59
Right? What really stands out to me is 45,000 career sacrifices are going on just in Colorado, because parents will look at you know, here’s the income that I would bring in, here’s what we would pay out and child care if you can get a spot, and they just see it as a wash are really just not worth you know, the extra headache of getting up early and doing everything for maybe to net, you know, a couple $1,000 It just doesn’t make sense.

Kami Welch 13:25
Yeah, I’ve countless examples in my personal and professional life of people that are making those choices every day, because of the cost. And as you said that sacrifice is just it’s horrible.

Brandon Burton 13:35
Right? So as you cite these different stats and the research that you’ve you’ve seen and and I like Like he said, looking through it through an economic development lens as this, you know, addressing the business models of childcare. It definitely is, I would say it’s a strong argument for Chamber of Commerce to be involved with this. So how do you see your role there about a chamber? Getting into the work? How does that look? How do you you can’t just go into business and say, Here’s your new business model. So how are you approaching this, this work of addressing childcare?

Kami Welch 14:10
Yeah, it’s a really, really great question. As an organization we’ve prescribed to the three C’s, many people know that it’s come out of the Western Association of chamber executives have been a convener, catalyst and champion. And so we often think through that lens, as we’re deciding how we support an issue. I think the biggest thing that we can do as organizations is really been that convener role. We have really strong partnerships across our region. And we often will say, we will join existing tables and we will lead where needed and so doing kind of that audit landscape of what great work is happening and joining in like, we don’t always have to start from ground zero. But there’s this moment of step back and say, who’s doing this work and doing it? Well. I will give a shout out to Epic Colorado, which is where much of that data I just shared came from there and incred have a partner in this work, but they’re doing amazing things and engage in industry and businesses in the Child Care conversation. So we don’t need to reinvent the wheel. But we need to get the right people in our community in our region around the same table. Because I often note that great work is happening. But so often, I think everybody can attest to this. It happens in silos, right? That people are like I’m doing the things, I’m solving the problems. But when you don’t tell anybody that you’re doing that, it can be really difficult. So I believe the key role of chambers is to bring together people to help them understand what work is happening, and how everybody can work more with more continuity as a group. And so we’ve launched what we call caps councils. And that stands for, I hope, this is okay to say if you can edit this out, kick ass problem solvers. So we have a tendency to want to make sure we’re driving actions. So we don’t have committees and councils and things like that we have action driven naming of what we do. So when people show up, they know they’re there to work. This is about rolling up your sleeves and getting towards solutions. We also like to set targets, right? Like, we know that our goal and taking on childcare is to increase the number of spots we have in our community. So who are the people that need to come around one table to help achieve that, but having a universal target that we’ve set at the Chamber helps to make sure there’s clarity and purpose when you get those people together. So that, to me is the biggest piece of this. The second thing that I think is really critical role of chambers, is to educate. So many people don’t understand all that data I just shared. And they’re making decisions based on their own personal experiences, which is fine, we are all creatures of our own perception is reality, right? But at the end of the day, there’s a lot to this. And so we have a unique role to certainly educate our businesses in our community, but also thinking about what role we play in educating the community at large about these issues that are impacting So playing a role, and really that awareness building, education, hosting forums. So people start to get that these are issues. It’s amazing to me when we’ve done that how quickly these issues start bubbling and becoming topics that everybody’s talking about the amount of organizations now that are telling me like I’m taking on childcare? And how do you know, I’m like, great, you know, like, we had to start those conversations, which has been really interesting

Brandon Burton 17:31
that so I guess the question that comes up for me, because you cited a lot of great data, and you mentioned epic Colorado that you were able to get that data from, for people in other states, where where would you point them to to try to find some of that data to be able to start that conversation about why their chambers should be involved with solving this problem as well?

Kami Welch 17:54
Yeah, that’s a really, really great question. And I know every state is going to be structured differently. One of the great sources of data we’ve had is actually our community college system. And so looking for a place where people that are going into this childcare profession are getting trained, typically, they understand kind of the lay of the land, they have really good data that they’re trying to utilize to get people into the program and help them think about where they open that childcare facility. So that’s a really good place to start. The other place would be school districts typically have a pretty solid sense of that early childhood education, and where it’s happening. And so talking with them about the landscape where there’s gaps, because we often talk about childcare, not just through the lens of quantity, but also quality. Like it’s not just about having somebody keeping eyes on your children during the day, but they need to be kindergarten ready, because all the data shows if you’re not kindergarten ready, then you lag all the way through school. And it’s hard to catch up on that. And so those quality metrics are important to our school district. And so they track a lot of the early childhood stuff as well. And then I will look at the state level and see what government departments exist that oversee child care, and really source out from there.

Brandon Burton 19:09
That’s good. Hopefully, people are jotting down some notes so they can do their research and see what the what the problem looks like. Because I’m going to assume it’s a problem in every state, and just see how big of a problem that is. And if it’s something that rises to the attention level that the domain deserve in some states, more so than others.

Kami Welch 19:28
I will also throw out on that the US Chamber Foundation has done a lot of work in this space and have an awesome toolkit on their website around childcare, that has many opportunities for businesses to get involved and resources that exist in that space. And so that’s a really good place to kind of dig in and start building knowledge around the childcare issue and opportunities.

Brandon Burton 19:49
Yeah. So about how long have you guys been involved with the child care work and had that be, you know, a big attention getter for you guys

Kami Welch 20:00
So about a year now. So not only that, I have to show great outcomes, which I’m excited in three or four years to be able to say we’ve added X amount of spots to childcare in our community, we’re still very much in the information gathering stage of this. But what has been exciting for us is how quickly we’ve been able to get to alignment of what is the goal? And what can we do about it. And so I talked a lot about the convenient and building community support, we also really worked in the policy space. And so recognizing that there’s like this whole advocacy play that comes along with moving child care system. So we have crafted a policy agenda. And that’s a big piece of our focus for this first part of the year is our legislators are down at the Capitol to really push on things like how do we expand cost effective preschool in early childhood? How do we give incentives to businesses that are willing to open childcare? So that we have the demand we need? So we’re really looking through initially that lens that what are those barriers of obstacle? And how do we remove some of them to be able to have better outcomes for our goals?

Brandon Burton 21:02
Yeah, no, it’s a, it’s a sticky problem. I mean, all these different I start thinking of a solution. And then I see reasons why, you know, it may not work, but it conflicts with it. So it’s not a simple solution. I mean, it’s going to require rolling up your sleeves and doing some hard work. So the big question, I know everybody’s thinking is, how are you pulling it off? How are you funding this work? Because yeah, Kenny, this is a great idea. Every chamber should be involved at this. But how do you do it?

Kami Welch 21:35
Yeah, as I started on the front end of the podcast, obviously, we were lucky enough to pull together the resources to do that five year strategic initiative. I know not everybody is in that position to do that. But what I will take away is kind of key messages and learnings as childcare is something that people decide they want to take on, I’m always happy to talk to them about our journey. But messaging is a really big piece of that, getting clear on the data and what the issue is and the community and putting together on paper, a clear understanding of what you’re going to do to solve it. So that people understand that there’s neat to this, that this is work that needs to happen. Also talking about the economic impact, like we know, in Jefferson County alone, where I’m located, that there’s a $200 million annual economic impact because of childcare. So continuing to tie the messaging back to economic development, makes it a lot easier to go out and seek those funds. But there’s got to be strategy behind this. And so again, we did it through a five year strategic initiative, I highly recommend that I mean, I’m so glad to know that we set funding for the next five years, and I don’t constantly have to be working through that. And that’s could be a whole podcast on its own of how that campaign process, but really putting strategy behind your work for today, tomorrow and long term. So people see that I think you have to ask, you have to find those people that have the heart for community that want to make sure that their business community drives and ask them to invest, help them see that you are the organization that can do this work? Well, it has to happen in order to solve those big critical challenges. The other thing I’ll say is there’s a lot of federal and state money floating around right now. And so if you’re not plugged into grant opportunities, I would highly encourage you to look into how you access those at your state level, Colorado uses a bid that at every state is probably different in the systems that they use. But we’ve been able to apply for a variety of different grants that support this work. Some are still pending, and we’re crossing our fingers that we get. But we did get one to hire a person directly supporting talent, which as I’ve said many times talent in child care hand in hand, right? We cannot solve workforce if we don’t fix our childcare system. That’s it. So looking at grants, thinking strategically about how you ask for those dollars, is really, really critical. And I know there’s no like magic bullet situation, unfortunately. But there are ways to get dollars for sure.

Brandon Burton 24:05
Right. So how much did you say the economic impact 200

Kami Welch 24:10
million for just Jefferson County alone,

Brandon Burton 24:12
man. So I mean, when you figure the people that are making those career sacrifices, the the impact of if you had the additional childcare centers? I mean, that’s a big economic impact there. I mean, it I think there’s a number to it, you can’t even put, you know, at number two some of this, just because there’s a lot of unknowns that potentially could be much more than that 200 million. So when you talk about economic development, that is a huge factor right there. Is there anything that we’re missing from this, this conversation that we haven’t touched on yet?

Kami Welch 24:54
So I’ll add a fun thing to this kind of a lighter opportunity. So one of the things we saw over the pandemic was Women primarily we’re the ones leaving the workforce to move into a caregiver role. And so one of the things that we’ve loved doing as an organization that started a couple of years ago during the pandemic is every March during Women’s History Month, we highlight the badass women of Arvada, and celebrate women who are leading in our community and really crushing it. And it’s a really fun opportunity for us to talk about women in the workplace, and highlight how important and critical that is for our community. So we’ve worked to find certainly those very tactical and strategic things. But it’s also really fun to think about how you highlight and celebrate the people in your community. That’s the work of chambers is right to bring people together and lift and do the things that help people feel connected to their communities. So we’ve found that to be a really fun way to kind of bring our community together and educate around this issue without it feeling too starchy.

Brandon Burton 25:55
Like that, that is fun. And it draws some positive attention to these women who are who are really making a difference, right. I love that. So I like to see, you know, for chamber champions that are listening, if you might have any tips or action items that they might take, if they’re looking to take their chamber up to the next level, what would you suggest?

Kami Welch 26:18
Do you want a broad answer or to connect it to childcare?

Brandon Burton 26:22
Either way, whatever you feel is would be most relevant. Or if you want to do both, as a bonus, I’m open to whatever.

Kami Welch 26:31
Bye, far as the childcare conversation goes, I think the best thing to start and take action, if you haven’t already, is get the data, there is such a story behind that. And it will inspire you, it will inspire your leaders to take action. And so the first step related to child care, is that data piece of advice. As far as kind of industry and what that looks like, I will tell you that one of the best things I’ve done in my career is get involved, be involved at the state level, the local level, the national level, build those relationships so that you have a network of peers, of friends, sometimes we all need a little chamber therapy. I have my people that are in the speed dial that I call, I’m like, Have you ever dealt with this, this is wild, have you not network matters, it makes the career pathway of being in a chamber world so much more meaningful, and I can’t tell you how much I’ve learned from my peers through this process. So get involved, join associations, make chamber friends, it matters and your chamber, you personally will be way better for it. So do it.

Brandon Burton 27:37
I love it. So I like asking everyone I have on the show as we look to the future of chambers of commerce, how do you see the future of chambers and their purpose going forward?

Kami Welch 27:49
I love this question. Because I think it’s been such a journey for so many of us and Canada, kind of the historic role of chambers and be known for festivals and ribbon cutting than really that celebratory stuff in communities, which is still important, and it’s fun, and it brings people together. But I believe that chambers are more critical today than they’ve ever, ever, ever been. And the issues that our businesses are facing are getting bigger and more complicated. And I often will say if not us, then who we are uniquely positioned as chambers to solve really critical challenges. We have the resources, the leadership, and we can bring together government, nonprofit education, business, all to one table and solve issues. There aren’t many others who can do that with the same level of credibility. So I believe we have an opportunity right now, to optimize on that coming out of the pandemic, where many of us stepped into a new capacity. people’s trust in our ability is high. And we need to optimize that and take action today to ensure long term success.

Brandon Burton 28:53
I love that response. Love it. Well, Cami this has been a very insightful and productive conversation. I think it’s been provided a lot of value for chambers to kind of look at themselves, look at their community, get that data, see if you know if this rises to needing that that level of importance in your community to address childcare needs. I’m gonna guess it probably is up there and probably the top five needs that you need to address in your community. But if anyone listening wanted to reach out and connect with you maybe learn a little bit more more detail about how you guys are approaching this work. What would be the best way for someone to reach out and connect?

Kami Welch 29:35
Yeah, absolutely. I would love to talk to anybody. It’s actually one of my favorite things to do is to connect with my peers so please don’t hesitate to reach out. Email is the easiest way to reach me which is kami@arvadachamber.org If you’re just looking for more information and want to r&d, rip off and duplicate our website at arvadachamber.org And feel free to take information from there. I am a huge proponent of supporting each other and so no need to tell me you’re taking it. It’s just if it’s helpful to you, and you can use some of it. Please do I believe a rising tide lifts all boats so happy to help anyone in the industry kind of figure out where they need to go next.

Brandon Burton 30:11
Awesome. Well get your email and the website in our show notes for this episode, so anyone can check that out and maybe just send you a thank you for that r&d. But thank you Kami for spending time with us today for sharing the work that you guys are doing around child care. This is a topic we have not covered on the podcast yet, so it’s an important one. And I have a feeling we’ll be talking about it even more coming into the future. So thank you for that.

Brandon Burton 38:24
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Our guest for this episode is John Brewer. John is the president and CEO at the Billings Chamber of Commerce in Montana, which is a five star credited chamber through the US Chamber of Commerce. The Billings chamber developed and manages the Billings tourism improvement district visit southeast Montana and the billings chamber foundation. John currently serves on the WAC board of directors. His past chair of the Montana association of Chamber of Commerce executives, serves on the ACCE board served as their emerging cities chair and serves in the US chambers committee at 100 advisors. Before moving to Billings, John was president and CEO of the Spokane regional convention and visitors bureau in Washington, of course, he has a BA in Communication Arts from the University of West Florida, and he and his wife Carrie have four children and two grandkids. But John, I’m excited to have you with us today on chamber chat podcast, I’d love for you to take a moment to say hello to all the chamber champions that are out there listening and share something interesting about yourself so they can get to know you a little

John Brewer 2:10
better. Hey, Brandon, well, thank you. It’s, it’s good to see ya. It’s always the most difficult question I think is sharing something interesting about yourself, right? Because golf that I find interesting other than I do it a bore. But you know, my wife and I, I guess if I were to say one thing that we’re passionate about, and it’s been kind of unique is that for the 20, some years, 25 years, we’ve been together, we’ve been fostering dogs and my wife has a heart for people in need and animals in need. So we’ve had everything from 12 Puppies running around the house to a dog in a wheelchair to other special needs type dogs to try to help find them a home. So for us, it’s been fun as well as it’s been rewarding to to help connect the animals to their lifelong homes.

Brandon Burton 2:57
That’s awesome. So if you had to, if you had to guess over the last 25 years or so about how many dogs have been through your house, the Bowl number

John Brewer 3:08

  1. We were much more active when the kids were at a different age and things that now we kind of go one at a time, I think more more because of our age than any grant. But it’s great. He’s working with debt dog adoption agencies around the country. And when they need a home. He’s kind of opening the doors for him. So I love being part of that.

Brandon Burton 3:30
That is awesome. As dogs need that. Yeah. Well tell us a little bit about the Billings chamber just to give us some perspective. Before we get into our conversation. Obviously every chamber is different. But give us an idea of size staff budget scope of work that sort

John Brewer 3:47
of bragging about Yeah, first. Yeah. You mentioned your that five star credited chamber several years ago, we were chamber of the year through atpe. So we’re proud of the work that we’re doing. We’ve got an incredible board of directors that kind of let us be unchained to go and figure out what needs to be solved in our chambers really focused on being one of those kick butt chambers, if you will, and problem solver and as far as tackling big community issues, as well as those core things that most chambers are involved in. For us. It’s business growth, business advocacy, community development. And then we are also as you mentioned in the intro there, the managing organization for our tourism entities both visit Billings and visit southeast Montana 13 counties and two Indian Reservation within our region here. So, you know, having that balance of connecting business to the you know, millions of visitors that come through here on their way to Yellowstone National Park or Little Bighorn battlefield sight of customers last stand or along the Lewis and Clark Trail. Were in a great spot to not only be a business hub as the largest city in Montana, and A tourism area where people start their journey by flying in and got the largest airport and great internet interstate connectivity. But our chamber has right now just over 1100 members, they employ just under 15,000 people. And we are hovering around 90% retention and we love that number. It’s solid. And we’re just we’ve been on a growth cycle, both from a revenue perspective, as well as the membership perspective. So our staff has grown by four FTE in the last 12 month and we’re brought people on who are focused in in the finance world, we need to do some things you’d mentioned that we just launched our foundation at the chamber. And we’re also bringing people on to help take care of the workforce issue that every community I think in the country is facing.

Brandon Burton 5:54
Now that you guys definitely have your work cut out for you, that’s for sure. It’s curious, have you guys seen an influx in tourism since the TV show Yellowstone came out a couple years ago?

John Brewer 6:05
It’s funny how many times we’re asked that question, right? Yeah, we, you know, Yellowstone, in where that shot is probably about a four and a half, five hour drive from us. But you know, Yellowstone Park has seen a bump, we hear lots of people on their way and talking about it, the detrimental side to that is now the state legislature feels like we’re getting all this free advertising that we should just pull that we get about $2 million annually for tourism funding. So they’re like, we don’t really need that anymore. Let’s reinvest that in affordable housing and other needs in our communities like public safety. So we’re in the middle of our legislative session that meets every two years, and kind of all hands on deck for those battles. And they are they are plentiful. We’ve got 4000 bills that have been introduced. And so yeah, it’s exciting. Yeah, it poses some challenges.

Brandon Burton 6:54
Right. Now. We were one of those families. Last summer, we were gonna go there and about I think two weeks before we went the, I think was the North Loop got closed down with the mudslides and stuff. And so we ended up kind of rerouting what our vacation was going to be because they were only letting in you know, every other day, depending on your your license plate numbers. They’re like, that’s a long hike.

John Brewer 7:19
And interestingly enough, our visitors director at the Chamber, her brother is the superintendent at Yellowstone Park. So when they were going through that kind of a lottery of license plates, you know, we were hearing about some of that, and that was an interesting process. But yeah, they were hit very hard, still not fully recovered, hit the egg industry in our region. But you know, that’s another thing that chambers are always geared up to, to try to do is, you know, be prepared to help whether it’s, you know, all the rains in California flooding hurricane. So another exciting role, though, per chamber and pillar solving those community problems that they hit.

Brandon Burton 7:54
That’s right. So getting back to, I guess the topic for our conversation today. As great as billings is, and you know, we want to get get honed in on a certain topic here. So, what we decided to cover today is, you know, every, every chamber, every community is vastly different. And as we get into the topic of diversity, equity inclusion over the last few years that looks different in each community. And as we talk with John today, we wanted to kind of focus on the why for Thayer Dei, what did they you know, hone in on and focusing on as they worked on diversity, equity inclusion, and we will dive into that much deeper as we get back from this quick break.

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All right, John, we’re back. As I mentioned before the break diving into what was the why for the your diversity equity inclusion efforts there the Billings chamber and how did things kind of evolve into what it is now.

John Brewer 11:43
And I think that word evolve and evolution is so important because I think so many of us in the chamber world and maybe as just citizens of the world, you know, we hear a lot about D E I and it strikes us all differently because words do matter. And as we were developing the name of the work even it was a lengthy discussion for many diversity, equity and inclusion or triggering words or they have a stigma to them. And and I think this evolution of white white chambers are involved in Dei. Now, is it an important context to understand I mean, for us, everything that we do these days is revolving around workforce, workforce development, workforce retention, Workforce Education. And this is one of those areas that I think we just push aside or think that we’re doing okay in and ignore. And I feel that chambers are masters, developing these type of networks, to include people so that they have a voice and to include opportunities for individuals to grow. You know, we convene people as chambers to solve problems, whether it’s public safety, or wetek. We talked about a minute ago, floods and community disasters, we bring people together for their expertise. But we also as chambers convene people to help educate them to help them grow. We have small business networks, which is a diverse individual group, we have young professionals and women’s networks and veterans groups. All of those address diversity by a DDI program just brings it all together. And understanding you know, because I think when I when I first got into this, and it’s only been a couple of years from the Billings chamber, so we’re in our infancy. But diversity doesn’t mean a person’s skin color alone. And I think that’s where we often go, you know, I’ve never personally been a female, I’ve never been in a wheelchair, I’ve never been a person of color. I’m not gay. I am, who I am. And I’ve got my political leanings and my religious beliefs. And we’re all so unique that for us and for our organization, what it means for us as the why and what we need to accomplish is to have a better understanding of others to meet them where they are, to help them feel a sense of belonging so people can bring their authentic and best selves to work. And so that companies can have the tool that they need to build a strong workforce. As I mentioned, your retention and recruitment is just so important. And I think many of the chambers that will be listening, but also the tourism economy. For us, we have about $625 million in visitor spending and direct visitor spending over 625 million. And over the last several years, our call center started getting questions in regards to I’m a person of color, am I safe? I’m a person in the LGBTQ plus community do I belong? And so between the visitor economy and just working with our members to help build that, that sense of belonging in a workforce so that the companies can, you know, tout themselves legitimately as being a Quality place to work and help employees grow?

Brandon Burton 15:03
Absolutely, I think that’s so important, it just creating that that place of belonging no matter what the diversity is of the population, and like you said, you’ve never been a woman. But yeah, that sometimes that gets overlooked, you know that, you know, there are different segments of the population, whether it is gender, or I think race is where a lot of people go to and you think the bet, are you a veteran? Are you disabled? Are you you know, what are the different things and and more and more, it feels like there’s new labels being put upon people or that are people that are associated with with new labels and and groups that they need special attention, they need to be considered, especially as they enter

John Brewer 15:50
the workforce. And I want you know, everybody who works, you know, bringing it down to the micro level people that work at the Chamber, I want them to feel that regardless of their backstory, where they come from, challenges that they’ve had in their life, that they feel that we are a place where they can grow, and they are important and their voices heard. And, again, whether it’s a person of color, and in Billings, we are about 88%, white, we have a strong Native American population, we’re close to the Crow Reservation, as well as the Northern Cheyenne. And you know, their workforce right now. They’re at about 50% unemployment there. And they’ve got workforce and a college and we want to find ways to be better in billing, to help bridge that workforce gap to help grow, but they have a unique culture that, you know, some from I think that the white heritage might just see the native culture and say, you know, what, they don’t show up on time, they’re don’t work as hard. The work ethic is different. And it’s these issues where it is just different. And once you learn how to address those, boy, we’re missing out on some big opportunities. If we don’t and, you know, for us, it was to better understand what we didn’t know at the time, we surveyed our membership a lot and asked a lot of questions to help even determine whether this was something that we should be getting into. And we had about 78% of our members say, we have needs and there’s nobody leading in this space in Billings in a space, I mean, connecting business to Dei, and 78% of our members said we need to do this. Billings is friendly, you know, we’re a great community, we’re welcoming, but we’re not diverse, and simply not knowing how to address diversity. And like we just talked about the breadth of diversity. I was surprised kind of how hungry some of our members were for tools that could help them grow. Absolutely.

Brandon Burton 17:51
And, yeah, I feel like that’s one of the biggest challenges we have in our day is being able to be inclusive of all the diverse segments of the population and diversity, you know, division has that same root word of division, right? So in different segments of diversity, there comes a lot of strength, you know, as you can come together with, you know, whether it’s a women’s group or, you know, different races gather together, or its sexual orientations, there’s some strength coming together for that. But as society is as a whole, and as the workforce as a whole, it becomes very divisive, or it can be as we have all these different segments. So how do we incorporate everybody give them a place of belonging, make sure that they understand that it doesn’t matter, any of the subsets of the population you belong here, we want you to hear that. Yeah, say how have you have you guys approached that?

John Brewer 18:51
Well, we spent a lot of time again on the name when we talked about belonging, and we had all these nice acronyms and flowery words that we just decided that you know what we’re going to hit this head on, we’re going to have difficult conversations, and we’re going to be that place where people will feel comfortable coming with their tough questions, because like you say, dei and woke and all of these over politicized word, you know, it all boils down to, how are we helping our members and our employees feel like they belong. And we’ve developed a four part strategy for our dei work, and most recently launched a program called you belong and billing. With the end we launched at our annual meeting just a couple of months ago. The idea being that Montana and billing was ranked in the top three states and communities in the United States where people were moving to over the past couple of years. And we knew that brought a diversity of thought and diversity of political backgrounds, the diversity of color and so on. And we set out with this initiative to help an employer once they bring somebody in from another community, help them to onboard them to the community. So as an employer, we all have our onboarding programs, you hire somebody, you give them the one on one in the organization, they immerse in your culture at your organization. But we’ve found in our hearing, over time, so many of our large employers were losing people, because they couldn’t find their footing in our community. And for a variety of reasons. So as new people move here, we’ve got this community onboarding program, if you live at old Welcome Wagon feel you’ve just moved here? What should I see? And do where’s my theme, you know, where can I connect with things that interests me, whether it’s, you know, brew, trail walk, or arts and entertainment, the music scene. But more importantly, we felt it was a one on one human connection, so connecting them to other newbies that have just arrived in Billings, as well as community leader. So that this, you know, couple year ramp up time, I’m learning a new job and learning a lot of other stuff, buying a house, getting my cable connected all that stuff, we’re now going to deliberately help you find ways to get involved in the community getting involved in the chamber. And we think over time, we’re gonna be tracking that, and seeing what kind of retention rates employers are going to have, because there’ll be doing this onboarding, and then connecting to our leadership programs and connecting to elected official, and finding a way to get involved in our dei work if they choose. So that’s one very significant initiative that in its early phases, and we’re excited to see how it progresses.

Brandon Burton 21:34
Yeah. So and I like how you surveyed your members. And you said that you’re going about this, you know, when it boils down to what’s good for buildings, what’s good for your members. But really, there’s a huge outreach component of this to saying that you belong here, and you’re talking to people that are not Chamber members, that you’re talking to people that are not yet part of the community in some instances, but being inclusive and saying you belong, we have a place for you. But really focusing with your membership to create those places where they can belong and, and make them feel part of the community. So I’d like to, the focus is on billings in the members, they’re really that outreach component. I think this is so important.

John Brewer 22:17
In the outreach piece, one of our four core goals for dei mission was not only outreach so this one is relatively new, the outreach to outside of our borders. But within our membership, that continual dedication of space in our E News and other communications to dei content, celebrating Black History Month, and Martin Luther King Day, for example, and making sure that we’re able to provide kind of an upcoming calendar of here’s where we used to be set aside and set aside some dedicated time to to celebrate different populations. We launched a dei website, billing dei.com, and it has videos and to get books to read, and a downloadable toolkit that we actually partnered with it. Since they partnered we borrowed from the Phoenix Chamber of Commerce, they developed this amazing resource. We worked with them to tweak a little bit to be billing centric, redeveloped it launched it and provided contacts and information on this website that helps businesses with their onroad or their onramp. You know, I want to start with I don’t know where to begin. What step one, I’m just in the early phases of wanting to introduce belonging into our organization, or we’ve been doing this for years, and what’s next for that company. And so some of our early adopters that really helped get the brand and part of a successful initiative, like takes funding. And some of our early adopters that stepped up, were some of the names you heard of, you know, corporate, large, major corporations such as Exxon and Keio International, based here and billing. A number of financial institution came to us with significant financial support to help us develop the structure, build a website, hire an individual to spearhead this work. And that’s meeting that goal for us. But making this sustainable, this could not be a fad. That, you know, it’s the talk of the day, let’s get behind this because it’s new, and then it disappears. It has to be sustained. So we built this into the fabric of our organization, found the funding and are really happy with with that continued growth and the continued support partnership from our members. Yeah.

Brandon Burton 24:36
So is the majority of the, I guess information and training for members? Is it digitally based on the Billings to ei.com? Or do you have any in person kind of stuff? I know you had mentioned the community, you know, the community onboarding has a personal touch that as far as getting the members position Well to be inclusive and welcoming for everybody. And what does that look like?

John Brewer 25:05
Yeah, so one of the very first things we did, this is out of my comfort zone. And we started. So we brought together a steering committee that has now evolved to an advisory board of 15 individuals that bring different perspective. And we decided early on, we needed to launch that personal touch. So for four sessions, now, we’ve had a diversity, equity inclusion, and an implementation dei class that’s consisted of four workshops. And those go over a four month period. And they’re followed by four community roundtable discussions, and then network opportunity. So after those four months, people will go through that they go through a graduation ceremony, we celebrate them. And then they become kind of part of our alumni email chain now of keeping them communicated with on a high level. But that step was big. And then once a company has graduated, so many people through that program, they’re then designated as a Workplace of Choice, and they get some language, we’re working on another piece to that that would be more of an identity for them. But they’re able to utilize those resources and promoting their organization as a quality place to work. So that has meant over the last two years for us 150 graduate full classes almost every time, those 140 50 graduates represent just over 30 businesses that employ 16,000 people. And that was our goal was to reach the major employees to begin with employers to begin with, knowing that they would cast their net out to their employees. And our goal, starting last April, and moving forward now is to engage many more small businesses. And part of the funding that’s come in, through our sponsors has been dedicated to scholarships for those that can’t afford it.

Brandon Burton 27:03
And it’s great. That was one of the questions that we’re going to have is there’s some kind of certification they get afterwards as a company, and you got into the depth of that with those workshops and the ability to kind of workshop together and around table and stay as part of that alumni group, and build that strength throughout the community. And then thinking with these major employers, 16,000 people being affected, they’re not all going to stay at the same player forever. So they’re going to move around that training is going to go with them as well. So casting that net, you know, wide within these major employers, I think is so key. And it’s such a smart move. I wanted to see as we start wrapping up here for I know a lot of chambers have some sort of a D and AI initiative, but it’s gonna see if you have any tips or action items for chambers listening, who want to take their organization up to the next level, what what would you suggest for them?

John Brewer 28:04
Yeah, that’s a great question. And you know, whether it’s dei specific or otherwise, one of the things that after our one of our first dei workshops, the presenter, who we’ve engaged as our contracts service provider to lead these workshops, gave me a bottle of wine, and encouraged me to enjoy it with somebody who I don’t know who doesn’t look like me, think like me is different. And I just that stuck with me. And I’ve got that here on my desk as a constant reminder of, you know, we’re engaged with a lot of people as chambers, we have strong networks, but there’s so many groups and individuals out there that we don’t know. So I’ve carried that on. And we do gift cards for staff and gift cards for others in the past, and have handed them out and said, You know what, here’s here’s a card for your favorite brewery or a card for a coffee shop. only caveat is you got to go find somebody to enjoy it with who you don’t know. And that really helped us as we were, again, evolving our advisory board and bringing those unique places around the table. Because we just have such a propensity to go back to that comfort zone and say, Hey, I’m gonna go grab this person and that person because I know they get stuff done. And I have a comfort there. That really helps, I think, just think differently and put you in that uncomfortable zone of of growth.

Brandon Burton 29:28
Yeah, yeah, I love that tip. That’s a hopefully everybody’s making a quick note of that. To get out of your comfort zone. Go enjoy time and conversation and a beverage or some food, you know, with somebody who’s different than you. And there’s a lot to be learned by doing that. John, I’d like asking everyone I have on the show as we look to the future of chambers of commerce, how do you see the future of chambers and their purpose going forward?

John Brewer 29:59
Yeah, I think there’s, you know, wide open plate for us to be successful and incredibly impactful in our community. But it boils down to leadership. It involves, you know, the makeup of our boards of directors and the professional staff that we have membership leadership and engagement. But there are there are some incredible roadmaps out there and somewhat crystal ball that we all need to be paying attention to and, and watching as they are updated. And, and, you know, I look often towards work that was done several years ago to ACCE and the horizons initiative gave us great perspective on emerging demographics and political polarization. WAC II is an incredible resource for their three C’s evolution of chambers becoming catalysts, and champions and conveners. And, you know, if we look to those roadmap, but he said at the very beginning, all chambers are different. But there’s a certain kind of structure a solid foundation that makes us unique, and I think will continue to provide value and make us relevant and not only relevant but essential as we go forward in such a digital age that we still have that ability to bring people together, that can really impact our communities in substantive ways.

Brandon Burton 31:23
I love that answer. And you know, how spot on was the horizons report? Right? Yeah. Oh, my goodness. Yeah. So I’m glad you brought that up. And in going from relevant to essential, I gotta upload Casey Steinbacher book, you know, that same title, great book, and any, any chamber pros out there, I haven’t read it. It’s a Kindle version. So you got to download it, but it’s a great read. John, I wanted to give you an opportunity to share any contact information. So anyone listening who’d like to learn more about how you guys are doing things there and billings, specifically about you know, creating a place of belonging with the your business growth there. What would be the best ways to reach out and connect with you

John Brewer 32:10
always best to reach me via email and that’s john@billingschamber.com. Again, just perusing our website with our BillingsDEI.com. There’s some great resources and a wider breadth of contact information and then then our website at Billingschamber.com as well.

Brandon Burton 32:30
Right? Well, we’ll get all of that in our show notes for this episode. So if anybody is driving and couldn’t get in, jot those down, just check out the show notes and scroll all the way to the bottom, you’ll have all of John’s contact information there. But John, thank you for spending time with us today and sharing how you guys are creating that that place of belonging through business growth there and Billings and the example you guys are sending. I really appreciate it. Thank

John Brewer 32:55
you, Brandon means a lot. I appreciate that.

Brandon Burton 38:24
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